So, um, why/how is our steering so gd good?!
 

So before I bought my frs, I drove a bunch of different cars ranging from an e46 to a mini cooper s to a miata. I did prefer the steering of the 86/frs/brz to my other options, but having driven the car some more, I gotta say, it's really freaking good. It's incredible actually. It is not the best electric rack I have used, but just the best period. Just so far of course. The 86 is 6 years old now so I figured it'd be a good idea to start an appreciation thread on one of this car's best qualities that has yet to be matched by the competition (imo). Hopefully some of you could share some insight as to how and why the steering in this car is so brilliant as well. I haven't found much on google lol

it's got a tighter ratio than most cars, which allows for more sensitivity.

Also smallest steering wheel fitted to a production car

At that age, just be ready to have to change out the EPS damper fairly soon.

Why? Not a rampant issue by any stretch.

Why? It was engineered to be good. And probably a little luck thrown in.


I admit, I prefer it after some negative camber has been dialed into the front - it's a little TOO light for my preferences otherwise. Trade-off is it follows 'ruts' and such in the road more.

Is a lotus considered a production car? Tiny steering wheels.

I love the steering on the twin. Got even better with Heavy Duty Steering Rack Bushings and STI Steering Rack Bolts.

They took all the feel from the clutch and put it into the steering. :/

Yep, the steering on my FR-S allows the car to go straight down the highway - until some dumb ass pulls out in front of me - and then it just artfully steers around them - :happyanim:


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Remove the spring.

Really good but not the best steering ever. Clutch feel? What's that? Seriously, Ultramaroon, you gotta come install this for me. The slave is just sitting there on my table, mewling at me.

The valet a the dealer stalled it in front of me.

You have to drive up to his place and sit on the porch.

Vancouver, WA has many things I like. My favorite author lives there. There's a stereo company up there. But Ultras there, so screw that place.

What spring?

But it is the only reason I go!? Ok, Mrs. Ultra is really nice, kinda makes up for things.

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OP, to get back to steering, the power steering servo was tuned to allow for more feedback. There are ways to de-sensitize the assist to get it to kick in gradually so it is less obtrusive. With the engine off, notice how much it takes to hit the hard stops for the torsion bar - the flex in the steering column. That's a lot of error torque for the controller to play with.

Do we really need to take things apart? I know your Vulcan need to teach, but sometimes..

It is incumbent on you to disclose prior experience. Failure to do so is illogical.

You make it sound so sexy Spock.

I thought the steering was so good because the motor was wound with linear crystal oxygen free wire, and it was assembled under a pyramid, with a carefully calibrated amount of algument juice added.

It’s not rocket science. Triumph have been doing it for ages.

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Well technically...

Sorry but no. The Lotus Elise/Exige use a 320mm wheel (12.6 inches). The twins have a 360mm which is a smidge over 14.1 inches. Yes smallish but not THE smallest. And yes, the Lotus is considered a "production" car.
http://www.carbide-red.com/lotus/ste...ng_painted.jpg

I think they meant more like a mainstream, mass produced car. The Elise is made in smaller quantities I believe.

EDIT: I went back to the article and it says smallest diameter ever fitted to a Toyota

Well, the Elise does use a Toyota 2zz... :thumbsup:

This will sound moronic... So last year I did that Extreme Experience driving event at NCM Motorsports Park and one of the cars I drove was a GT3. I remember taking to the car immediately because of its feedback and the speed of the rack.

After getting back into the FRS, I didn't immediately regret not being back in the GT3. Now obviously at 10/10ths the FRS would be doing 3/10ths of what a GT3 is capable of, but just around town at normal speeds and through corners the FR-S is really good for 10% of the price (except the clutch, as others point out.) I honestly can't imagine that if I was blindfold I would notice that much of a difference, if we're ignoring power or the DCT.

I'll also add that Hurcan feels like a fast GTI, btw. Total freaking disappointment, aside from the V10. Numb steering, no brake feel, and just overall sloppy.

Huh so sometime this fall my dad and I will be on the track at portland for his birthday present: a few laps in either a Ferrari 488 or Lamborghini Huracan/Aventador. I sadly don't get to drive, couldn't afford to have both of us do it, so I'm gonna let him drive my car to see what he thinks then have him hop in a supercar right afterwards. Should be a fun comparison haha.

Really? I thought the Huracan had impressive steering feel and was super-confidence inspiring when pushed. Certainly leaps and bounds ahead of the Gallardo. It’s not a GT3, but possibly the best driver-oriented lambo ever.

That’s a hard one to nail down for us mortals who haven’t driven the cars. However, I will point out that while Audi typically struggles with their steering feel (my moms Q5 and a friends A4 both have identically appalling steering feel) there are exceptions. I’ve driven a previous generation Merci, LP640 on track, and I found the steering was actually pretty involving, if a bit heavy. Seems the general consensus of the auto press is Audi’s new EMS systems are linear but devoid of any real feel. Throw in the variable steering ratio option and it only gets worse. Apparently the new R8 has really good steering though. Cool thing about modern EMS systems is the ability to constantly tune them for better feel with software changes as technology advances.


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I drove my friend’s 1988 Porsche 944 and the steering feel, the sound, vibration is exactly like the BRZ. The power and dimensions are very close and if you close your eyes you won’t be able to tell the difference. I am suspicious that Toyota used the 944 as a blueprint for the 86!

The best steering feel of any vehicle I have ever driven: my first car, a 1987 chevrolet chevette. No power steering and the wheel was canted toward the vehicle center, italian style. It was just like running your hands across the pavement or down a woman's back, all feel, all sensation.

i gotta say that im not quite convinced my brz has better feel or feedback than any of my old miatas did and it definitely isnt on par with an elise. for an electric setup i guess its more than acceptable but im not to versed in many of those setups.

It is merely acceptable. I agree. Having played around with the power steering disabled, I'm of the opinion that Subaru chassis engineers weren't given the opportunity to stray far from the existing AWD template. It could be way better for free.

Steering is great! Hell of a lot better than an S2k which feels like a video game steering wheel with no feedback.