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supercharged680 03-23-2019 03:16 PM

2018 BRZ manual with the old engine
 
Hey guys, just got my 2018 BRZ and noticed at the dealer that it has the old engine, looked at a few. same.

they do not have the updated diff ratio too.

Does anyone have the same experience? This is going to make ordering parts difficult, since i got the 2017+ air filter and found out it does not fit unfortunately i cannot return it since i ordered it from the US. Hopefully all the other parts are pre 17 i assume, since i am pulling the trigger on an oil cooler soon.

Thanks guys! waiting to hear your experience.

why? 03-23-2019 05:31 PM

I guess it depends where the cars come from. Europe didn't get the new engines, they couldn't make them legal.

Sgaldi 04-23-2019 09:09 PM

I just bought a 2018...how can you tell it’s the old engine ?

DarkPira7e 04-23-2019 09:17 PM

Is the car an automatic? I can't explain the diff, but the automatic has the old intake

Tcoat 04-23-2019 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by why? (Post 3199502)
I guess it depends where the cars come from. Europe didn't get the new engines, they couldn't make them legal.

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3211032)
Is the car an automatic? I can't explain the diff, but the automatic has the old intake

Why got it in the first response. Dubai has the European spec cars. This means no upgrades for them in 17.
Or more accurately they got the upgraded engine components and block but not the intake and exhaust and diff power upgrades.

Pages 72 and 73

HKz 04-23-2019 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgaldi (Post 3211028)
I just bought a 2018...how can you tell it’s the old engine ?

updated engine has the red intake manifold

Tcoat 04-23-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HKz (Post 3211046)
updated engine has the red intake manifold

On the MT only. In the US, Canada, Japan and Australia. Not everywhere.

HKz 04-23-2019 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3211047)
On the MT only. In the US, Canada, Japan and Australia. Not everywhere.

well right, either you got a red intake which signifies the change otherwise tis all the same. didn't think there was a point in mentioning the countries that got the update since no one else got the intake change :P

Tcoat 04-23-2019 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HKz (Post 3211055)
well right, either you got a red intake which signifies the change otherwise tis all the same.

Not quite all the same. They all have some of the upgrades. Not having the red intake doesn't mean it is the "old" engine it just means you didn't get that whopping extra 5HP. There are still many improvements even without the HP gain so it is worth being clear.

Sgaldi 04-23-2019 11:04 PM

Ok so I guess I got the new one cause mines red, iv been reading around and trying to figure out what would be best for the BRZ engine as far a durability and life if the engine , a supercharger or a turbo, from what iv read you don’t want to go above 7psi cause the engine can’t take it...so I was thinking somthing around 5psi for longevity, and info ? I’m not very auto savvy

Tcoat 04-24-2019 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sgaldi (Post 3211077)
Ok so I guess I got the new one cause mines red, iv been reading around and trying to figure out what would be best for the BRZ engine as far a durability and life if the engine , a supercharger or a turbo, from what iv read you don’t want to go above 7psi cause the engine can’t take it...so I was thinking somthing around 5psi for longevity, and info ? I’m not very auto savvy

As I have said many times they are all "new ones". The changes made in 17 will allow you to go a bit higher boost than the "old" engine but there really is no safe point when adding boost. There is an increase in risk as soon as you change anything from stock so it is just a matter of what level of risk you are willing to accept. If keeping boost turned way down you are headed into a spiral of diminishing returns on costs and may be better off just staying NA but going E85 and a good tune.

Sgaldi 04-24-2019 01:17 PM

Got any links on a good tune that someone with no experience could use

Tcoat 04-24-2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgaldi (Post 3211235)
Got any links on a good tune that someone with no experience could use

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29340

RToyo86 04-24-2019 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3211147)
As I have said many times they are all "new ones". The changes made in 17 will allow you to go a bit higher boost than the "old" engine but there really is no safe point when adding boost. There is an increase in risk as soon as you change anything from stock so it is just a matter of what level of risk you are willing to accept. If keeping boost turned way down you are headed into a spiral of diminishing returns on costs and may be better off just staying NA but going E85 and a good tune.

It's also worth noting no two drivers drive alike. Somebody who bounces off the rev limiter daily, versus somebody a bit more conservative will have an impact on motor health/life. Adding boost will only exacerbate wear and tear.

You've got to pay to play. Don't add boost if you can't afford to rebuild if it blows up tomorrow.

RToyo86 04-24-2019 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sgaldi (Post 3211077)
Ok so I guess I got the new one cause mines red, iv been reading around and trying to figure out what would be best for the BRZ engine as far a durability and life if the engine , a supercharger or a turbo, from what iv read you don’t want to go above 7psi cause the engine can’t take it...so I was thinking somthing around 5psi for longevity, and info ? I’m not very auto savvy

If you are after the safest F.I setup, go with a centrifugal S/C like jackson racing's kit. The way they build boost with RPM is less stressful on the bottom end, the rods specifically which are known to snap when you up the torque.

Turbo kits and twin screw setups will make a lot more torque down low which will put more strain on those components. The trade off is that they feel faster through the entire rev range, as apposed to centrifugal blowers retaining the factory powerband, just more of it.

Tcoat 04-24-2019 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RToyo86 (Post 3211255)

You've got to pay to play. Don't add boost if you can't afford to rebuild if it blows up tomorrow.

This should be included on any and all performance parts instructions!

HKz 04-24-2019 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3211059)
Not quite all the same. They all have some of the upgrades. Not having the red intake doesn't mean it is the "old" engine it just means you didn't get that whopping extra 5HP. There are still many improvements even without the HP gain so it is worth being clear.

my bad then :bonk: had no idea the remaining markets that didn't get the power bump also received some updated internals.

Tcoat 04-24-2019 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HKz (Post 3211295)
my bad then :bonk: had no idea the remaining markets that didn't get the power bump also received some updated internals.

Yep. They got every single upgrade on the car except the intake, exhaust and final. The engines look like the old ones since they still have all the old externals but everything else is changed. There was a lot more changed than people seem to think through the whole car.

Sasquachulator 04-24-2019 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3211298)
Yep. They got every single upgrade on the car except the intake, exhaust and final. The engines look like the old ones since they still have all the old externals but everything else is changed. There was a lot more changed than people seem to think through the whole car.

no power number change = no changes!!! car is the same as in 2012!!!!
because NOT RACECAR!

86MLR 04-24-2019 09:39 PM

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no power number change = no changes!!! car is the same as in 2012!!!!
because NOT RACECAR!

I've seen worse mid life crisis upgrades that only revolve around exterior and interior changes.

The 17+ upgrades were at least focused on some of the known issues.

Not everything is about power.

If you want more power you could always spend a bit more money, or, not shop in the basement for the cheapest RWD sports car on the planet and complain about powaaaahhhhs.

Have you seen this PDF?

Tcoat 04-24-2019 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3211364)
I've seen worse mid life crisis upgrades that only revolve around exterior and interior changes.

The 17+ upgrades were at least focused on some of the known issues.

Not everything is about power.

If you want more power you could always spend a bit more money, or, not shop in the basement for the cheapest RWD sports car on the planet and complain about powaaaahhhhs.

Have you seen this PDF?

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

HKz 04-24-2019 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sasquachulator (Post 3211312)
no power number change = no changes!!! car is the same as in 2012!!!!
because NOT RACECAR!

weirdo o.O

86MLR 04-24-2019 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3211368)
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic.

Opps, sometimes I'm just like my 86, slow.......but I can change direction really well..

STOP JUDGING ME.........

In other news I'm getting a alarm (all the bells and whistles) installed so the car beeps when I lock it.

$500 for beeping noises, sometimes I think I've taken way to many hits to the head.


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