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Blackedout86 03-14-2019 07:36 AM

Car wont start, battery tested normal ??
 
hello, can someone please guide me what to do with my car, it was running normally 2 days ago, but today it suddenly won't start, no crank at all. the battery is tested to be normal by a mechanic(i just forgot to remember the voltage number ,etc), already tried to jumpstart, and still no crank at all.

now i've read in the other threads about solenoid starter gone bad, but i think that my car's symptoms don't fit.

1st try : all indicator lights, windows, headlights, doorlocks, are normal. car wont start with no crank at all, and i heard 2 clicks when trying to start the car.

2nd try : pushed the start button once, and then on the accessory mode, all the indicator lights flicker. i immediately turn the car off.

3rd try : car wont even go to accessory mode,pushing start button does nothing, windows does not close when the door is closed too.

Now i've experienced similar symptom of 2nd try in my Ford Ecosport, but that was simply the battery died. But on this one, the battery is 8 months old and it was normal when tested, i also cleaned the wirings too. Please also note that im from a country where ft86 is quite rare, so i have trouble finding a workshop that knows this car well. i would really like to try to fix this myself first.

2012 FT86 Automatic with 50k km
my car mods are : full exhausts, Dastek Unichip (6 months old with no issue), and recently put a window screen film but did not open the door panel.

please, any help would be appreciated.

BRZnut 03-14-2019 08:12 AM

could it be the fob battery? Try to start it with holding the fob right up against the start button and see what happens.

Blackedout86 03-14-2019 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BRZnut (Post 3195791)
could it be the fob battery? Try to start it with holding the fob right up against the start button and see what happens.

i frequently change the key battery, and i tried that too, still doesnt work.

qcbaker 03-14-2019 10:49 AM

When you had the battery tested, did the mechanic just test the voltage at rest or did they perform a load test? Sometimes batteries can test okay at rest but voltage drops when load is applied. I wouldn't completely rule out the battery being the issue until you have it load tested.

Starter would be my next guess if the battery actually is fine though. :iono:

chipmunk 03-14-2019 12:13 PM

Clutch sensor or brake sensor, perhaps? My car won't start unless I press the clutch in.

tomm.brz 03-14-2019 12:23 PM

+1 for. clutch switch damaged... happened to many people

N234 03-14-2019 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3195881)
Clutch sensor or brake sensor, perhaps? My car won't start unless I press the clutch in.

It would not flicker.

Since this car flickers and clicks, I'd say battery dead or starter seized

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Leonardo 03-14-2019 01:54 PM

Check the fuses too. I had the 7.5amp "Stop" fuse blow, and the car wouldn't start.






Also, I just realized I have never changed my fob battery. Same battery from 2012.




EDIT: If a battery is really dead, you may need 2 sets of jumper cables to get the car to start. (especially if you have cheaper ones with small gauge wire)

HappyRobot 03-14-2019 01:54 PM

Have you tried jump starting the car? I had a battery issue where the accessories worked, but the starter would not engage. The car started when we jump started it and ended up being a faulty battery.

chipmunk 03-14-2019 02:50 PM

Do you happen to have any insurance OBD plug-in device that monitors driving habits?
I had a Progressive Snapshot that drained the battery overnight. A few years ago Progressive was sued for this drainage.

qcbaker 03-14-2019 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3195881)
Clutch sensor or brake sensor, perhaps? My car won't start unless I press the clutch in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tomm.brz (Post 3195890)
+1 for. clutch switch damaged... happened to many people

OP said his car is an automatic. No clutch switch to damage.

tomm.brz 03-14-2019 03:43 PM

Right, sorry if I didn t read well before comment. Maybe there is a similar swith on brakes then for the automatic?

guybo 03-14-2019 04:50 PM

Click click. Battery tested good.

Remove both battery cables and wire brush them. Same with terminals. Try to start again.

If it still doesn't start, have someone tap the starter with a hammer (lightly) as you push the start button. This is probably where the clicking is coming from. Your symptoms sound like a bad starter. If tapping the starter works, don't shut it off and drive to a mechanic

FRS13_ 03-14-2019 07:54 PM

Check the battery terminals for corrosion, happened to me. Spent $400 on a starter and new battery before I realized it...

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Blackedout86 03-15-2019 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3195989)
Do you happen to have any insurance OBD plug-in device that monitors driving habits?
I had a Progressive Snapshot that drained the battery overnight. A few years ago Progressive was sued for this drainage.

unfortunately i dont have that

Quote:

Originally Posted by HappyRobot (Post 3195960)
Have you tried jump starting the car? I had a battery issue where the accessories worked, but the starter would not engage. The car started when we jump started it and ended up being a faulty battery.

yes i have tried jump start it, but it still won't work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by guybo (Post 3196075)
Click click. Battery tested good.

Remove both battery cables and wire brush them. Same with terminals. Try to start again.

If it still doesn't start, have someone tap the starter with a hammer (lightly) as you push the start button. This is probably where the clicking is coming from. Your symptoms sound like a bad starter. If tapping the starter works, don't shut it off and drive to a mechanic

I have checked and cleaned the cables, but still nothing changed. i've heard about tapping the solenoid, but i dont know how it actually looks like, could you show me where is it please ?

Blackedout86 03-15-2019 03:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3195959)
Check the fuses too. I had the 7.5amp "Stop" fuse blow, and the car wouldn't start.






Also, I just realized I have never changed my fob battery. Same battery from 2012.




EDIT: If a battery is really dead, you may need 2 sets of jumper cables to get the car to start. (especially if you have cheaper ones with small gauge wire)

i will try to check the fuses asap, the battery is good, i even tried borrowing a new battery but its outcome is the same.

Quote:

Originally Posted by qcbaker (Post 3195836)
When you had the battery tested, did the mechanic just test the voltage at rest or did they perform a load test? Sometimes batteries can test okay at rest but voltage drops when load is applied. I wouldn't completely rule out the battery being the issue until you have it load tested.

Starter would be my next guess if the battery actually is fine though. :iono:

they did a load test too, i just forgot to take note of the numbers but its still normal, almost like a new battery.

Tcoat 03-15-2019 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackedout86 (Post 3196252)
unfortunately i dont have that



yes i have tried jump start it, but it still won't work.



I have checked and cleaned the cables, but still nothing changed. i've heard about tapping the solenoid, but i dont know how it actually looks like, could you show me where is it please ?

The starter failing would not cause all the dash lights to go out. You have a fuse or wiring issue someplace. Did you recently do anything to the car at all? A common issue is people that do work but do not reinstall the ground on the block properly.

entaroadum 09-17-2019 12:13 AM

Hey guys, sorry for reviving old thread. I have exactly the same symptoms. Tried a different (new) battery, jump start and it wont even try to crank.

Car is '13 BRZ Limited, 45k (5k on mew engine). Any ideas?

Ultramaroon 09-17-2019 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by entaroadum (Post 3258142)
Hey guys, sorry for reviving old thread. I have exactly the same symptoms. Tried a different (new) battery, jump start and it wont even try to crank.

Car is '13 BRZ Limited, 45k (5k on mew engine). Any ideas?

Standard, or auto?

entaroadum 09-17-2019 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3258147)
Standard, or auto?


Auto

Ultramaroon 09-17-2019 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entaroadum (Post 3258156)
Auto

Well, shit. There goes the clutch switch idea. Do you get any good hard clicks? Light ones?

Tcoat 09-17-2019 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entaroadum (Post 3258142)
Hey guys, sorry for reviving old thread. I have exactly the same symptoms. Tried a different (new) battery, jump start and it wont even try to crank.

Car is '13 BRZ Limited, 45k (5k on mew engine). Any ideas?

New engine? Check how tight the ground strap is to the bell housing.

entaroadum 09-17-2019 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3258159)
Well, shit. There goes the clutch switch idea. Do you get any good hard clicks? Light ones?

No clicks at all. Just the usual light show and needle dance in the dash

entaroadum 09-17-2019 12:54 PM

Update: car now at dealership who installed new engine. they "jumped" the starter and the car started right up. They suspect an issue with the key fob and immobilizer system.

entaroadum 09-17-2019 04:18 PM

"Final" Update: they check techstream and found no issues at all. After jumping the starter the car continued to start flawlessly on it's own.

I have changed the battery on the key fob but it seems it was working OK. I hate self-fixing issues as I now fear it will happen again at the most inconvenient time & place :iono:

Tcoat 09-17-2019 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by entaroadum (Post 3258419)
"Final" Update: they check techstream and found no issues at all. After jumping the starter the car continued to start flawlessly on it's own.

I have changed the battery on the key fob but it seems it was working OK. I hate self-fixing issues as I now fear it will happen again at the most inconvenient time & place :iono:

I repeat. Check the ground connection on the flywheel. If it is loose or dirty then their "jumping" the starter may well have made it connect well enough again. The first time it gets wet or jostled you could loose power again. It may be fine but it is a simple check to be sure. Since it get's disconnected for an engine pull we have seen it as an issue with your exact same symptoms on here many times.

chipmunk 09-17-2019 04:26 PM

Evil technology!
Horse buggies never had key fobs!

Sent from a potato

Tcoat 09-17-2019 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3258426)
Evil technology!
Horse buggies never had key fobs!

Sent from a potato

You ever try to get a horse that doesn't want to move going?


Oh and they did have fobs for the stubborn ones.




https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....pL._SX425_.jpg

entaroadum 09-17-2019 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3258425)
I repeat. Check the ground connection on the flywheel. If it is loose or dirty then their "jumping" the starter may well have made it connect well enough again. The first time it gets wet or jostled you could loose power again. It may be fine but it is a simple check to be sure. Since it get's disconnected for an engine pull we have seen it as an issue with your exact same symptoms on here many times.

is it on the top or bottom of the bellhousing?

chipmunk 09-17-2019 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3258429)
You ever try to get a horse that doesn't want to move going?


Oh and they did have fobs for the stubborn ones.




https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....pL._SX425_.jpg

Hey, at least we didn't have to guess the horsepower figures on them! One could tell just by looking.

Sent from a potato

Tcoat 09-17-2019 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3258457)
Hey, at least we didn't have to guess the horsepower figures on them! One could tell just by looking.

Sent from a potato

YA but performance modding took at least a couple of generations.

humfrz 09-17-2019 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by chipmunk (Post 3258457)
Hey, at least we didn't have to guess the horsepower figures on them! One could tell just by looking.

Sent from a potato

Are we talking about HP or torque here?

:)


humfrz

chipmunk 09-29-2019 07:47 AM

HHP (horsepower, at the hooves)

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