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GrantedTaken 03-13-2019 09:08 PM

Oil change time. Castrol Edge. Valvoline. or Pennzoil ?
 
https://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-Syn...dp/B00GZKC6EW/

https://www.amazon.com/Castrol-03124...dp/B00JGQLZJ4/

https://www.amazon.com/Pennzoil-5500...dp/B01M8JJV1H/

All 3 are:
ILSAC GL-5
API SN

HKz 03-13-2019 09:12 PM

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C...71.XWzM8qOTikw

GrantedTaken 03-13-2019 09:17 PM

I used the site search and nothing came up.
Decided to use up more internet

HKz 03-13-2019 09:26 PM

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77169
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111888
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120709
https://jalopnik.com/why-expensive-o...ney-1797241527

GrantedTaken 03-13-2019 10:03 PM

I'll just get Castol Edge, but I think all 3 are fine

Mr.ac 03-13-2019 10:08 PM

All three are the absolute worse.
Being a Mobile 1 fan boy, I recommend..........


Mobile 1.

86MLR 03-14-2019 02:47 AM

Na, you want Penrite full synth 5w30.

LOL

Victorscp 03-14-2019 02:57 AM

Do people still use Royal purple?

JoSal73 03-14-2019 12:03 PM

Amsoil Signature or Mobile 1 gets my votes, in that order

BigTuna 03-14-2019 12:13 PM

I plan on trying Amazon Basics next oil change.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9DWGtXpYUc[/ame]

JIM THEO 03-14-2019 12:15 PM

Usage, ambient temperatures, oil cooler, change intervals?

8RZ 03-14-2019 12:20 PM

Mobil 1.

WolfpackS2k 03-14-2019 12:42 PM

Mobile 1.

$25-26 per 5 quart jug at Walmart; very difficult to beat that value I think.

Tcoat 03-14-2019 01:10 PM

Any brand name synthetic oil of the right grade is fine. They are probably all made in the same place anyway.

conehead 03-14-2019 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3195927)
Any brand name synthetic oil of the right grade is fine. They are probably all made in the same place anyway.


Exactly. Walmart Supertech is what I use.

JoSal73 03-14-2019 02:06 PM

Here's a couple of really good articles:

http://superoilcentral.com/synthetic...il-comparison/


And if you REALLY have a lot of time and like to read and research...check this guy out


https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/201...-test-ranking/

Tcoat 03-14-2019 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoSal73 (Post 3195965)
Here's a couple of really good articles:

http://superoilcentral.com/synthetic...il-comparison/


And if you REALLY have a lot of time and like to read and research...check this guy out


https://540ratblog.wordpress.com/201...-test-ranking/

The graphs in the first one make the difference look worse than it really is. All of those offer the same protection. Funny how the "independent" tests put the brand asking for the tests as the best in all areas.


That other dude has far to much time on his hands and a really weird hobby. The best I could tell is that like the graphs the differences are so minor that all but the best of the built engines can use any of the synthetics without fear.

FR-Sky 03-14-2019 02:46 PM

I use royal purple if I know I am going to track day.
Eneos for daily.

wolffbite 03-14-2019 02:54 PM

For what it's worth here is my experience...

Dealership supplied Mobil Super 3000 I burned almost a full liter during 10k kms.
Castrol Edge Titanium had no oil burn for first 5k and last 5k kms lost ~1/2 liter.
Motul 8100 Eco-lite I had around 1/4-1/2 liter loss over 10k kms.

The Motul had such little loss I can almost say the difference could be how level the ground was where I check my oil, this car is super sensitive to that.

I check my oil every second fuel fill-up, so every other week.

Currently still running Motul. All daily driving, no track use other than some "spirited" canyon driving a few times a year.

Where I am, Motul is also the cheapest by nearly 30% over the Castrol. Castrol only slightly cheaper if I catch it on sale.

slizoth 03-14-2019 05:45 PM

I put AMSoil in my 2013 Subaru BRZ Premium. I believe my choice is largely for peace of mind, I have not done any independent studies or run anything besides AMSoil since I bought the car.

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...gn=ProdSummary

Rampage 03-14-2019 07:27 PM

I have run Castrol oil in all my small bore imported sports (and sporty) cars. Over the years, that includes a Fiat 124, Datsun 280Z, 2 x Toyota Supra, Acura Integra GSR, Nissan 350Z and now a 2ZZ swapped MR2 Spyder. I really think the difference in most "performance" oil is just marketing. However, in all the years that I have used Castrol, I have never had an internal engine failure despite driving the cars very hard. That is all that really matters to me.

Joveen 03-14-2019 08:00 PM

Millers nanodrive is a good oil. Hads hp too

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RickyBobby 03-14-2019 08:03 PM

I get whatever synthetic is currently running a rebate. This one is good until June 30th. I got my rebate ~2 weeks after I submitted it.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132497

Summerwolf 03-14-2019 08:23 PM

Mag1 is a great oil.

If I cant find that its usually mobil one since its sold so inexpensively at Walmart. This last oil change I used QSUD for the first time. I'm sure it will be fine.

extrashaky 03-15-2019 12:11 AM

I'll never run Amsoil in anything I own. When a company resorts to cult-like MLM schemes and fake science presentations reminiscent of a Clark Stanley medicine show to market its product, I become suspicious that it's made from genuine rattlesnakes.

weederr33 03-15-2019 12:27 AM

You folks need to get out of here with your Plebeian oils! The most obvious answer is Mobil1.

soundman98 03-15-2019 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joveen (Post 3196156)
Millers nanodrive is a good oil. Hads hp too

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...e_-_Just_how_g

Snake oil is still just snake oil.

I learned a while back with monster audio products, if it appears the marketing team has put more effort into the description than the packaging team did on the box, it is not a product worth paying extra for unless you plan to showcase marketing department successes.

JIM THEO 03-15-2019 04:29 AM

Redline 5W30 for me!

Breadman 03-15-2019 08:38 AM

i normally use valvoline synpower 0w20 and blackstone reports have come back really nice, but i took the plunge and tried some amazon 0w20 because i was curious

gravitylover 03-15-2019 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 3195914)
Mobile 1.

$25-26 per 5 quart jug at Walmart; very difficult to beat that value I think.

I paid less for the Toyota 0W20 not too long ago. Someone here had posted some test results a while back and that had the best shear characteristics and hit some other key numbers so I tried it. My car has been running very well and I hit 3 of my best gas mileage tanks in this period. Unfortunately I didn't get to do much very cold weather monitoring because the car sat for the bulk of the winter due to some health issues I had so I can't speak to it's near zero feel and performance but in the low 20's it was very good. For under $5/qt I will probably stick with it or maybe give that Amazon basics a try if I don't hear anything negative about it in summer temps as I'm less than 1k miles from the next change.

WolfpackS2k 03-15-2019 10:50 AM

I'm sure there are several very good options!

MobilOne is factory fill on all Porsches, and since it's $25 at Walmart for the 0w40 European formula MobilOne jug, I feel like I can't go wrong there. My GSR has over 336,000 miles (200k put on by me) and I've always used MobilOne for that engine and it still has great compression.

All my sports cars get tracked and this oil has never let me down. Anyone else ever do Blackstone oil analysis?

soundman98 03-15-2019 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breadman (Post 3196282)
i normally use valvoline synpower 0w20 and blackstone reports have come back really nice, but i took the plunge and tried some amazon 0w20 because i was curious

i assume this means you're currently running the amazon oil, and haven't changed it yet for a blackstone result?

i mean, i expect it to perform just as well as any other oil, as the bottle is stamped to meet the same standards. i just, well, don't expect it to...

no one ever said "i'll take the cheap steak, it's just as good as the high end steak..."

i keep waiting to hear the other shoe on amazon/walmart oil. it just seems like a cheat code of some sort.

MilkyWitness 03-15-2019 09:33 PM

asdf

Breadman 03-17-2019 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundman98 (Post 3196530)
i assume this means you're currently running the amazon oil, and haven't changed it yet for a blackstone result?

i mean, i expect it to perform just as well as any other oil, as the bottle is stamped to meet the same standards. i just, well, don't expect it to...

no one ever said "i'll take the cheap steak, it's just as good as the high end steak..."

i keep waiting to hear the other shoe on amazon/walmart oil. it just seems like a cheat code of some sort.


no i just switched to it and plan on run about 3500 miles and send it to blackstone and see. it meets the same standards as the rest of the oil and ive seen backyard garage reviews saying its just as good but well see. probably not worth the 10$ saved but i really wanted to see and i figured my car is low miles so its not hugely risky.

GrantedTaken 03-17-2019 11:39 AM

Our cars need:
0W-20
API SN Plus
ILSAC GF-5

This meets the specs for $19.
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...dp/B07CG384GQ/

Castrol Edge is almost double at $33.

Breadman 03-17-2019 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken (Post 3196979)
Our cars need:
0W-20
API SN Plus
ILSAC GF-5

This meets the specs for $19.
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...dp/B07CG384GQ/

Castrol Edge is almost double at $33.


yep thats what i put in. im guessing that the more expensive brands put non required bonus shit in their but well see in a few months

soundman98 03-17-2019 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breadman (Post 3196967)
no i just switched to it and plan on run about 3500 miles and send it to blackstone and see. it meets the same standards as the rest of the oil and ive seen backyard garage reviews saying its just as good but well see. probably not worth the 10$ saved but i really wanted to see and i figured my car is low miles so its not hugely risky.

i'm really curious to see the result. yes, i expect it to be the same, it just seems too easy!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breadman (Post 3197034)
yep thats what i put in. im guessing that the more expensive brands put non required bonus shit in their but well see in a few months

some of it is genuinely just the name/marketing. like buying aldi toilet paper, or charmin toilet paper...

JeremyR 03-17-2019 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k (Post 3196311)
I'm sure there are several very good options!

MobilOne is factory fill on all Porsches, and since it's $25 at Walmart for the 0w40 European formula MobilOne jug, I feel like I can't go wrong there. My GSR has over 336,000 miles (200k put on by me) and I've always used MobilOne for that engine and it still has great compression.

All my sports cars get tracked and this oil has never let me down. Anyone else ever do Blackstone oil analysis?




+1 for mobilone euro formula. It's great stuff!

Adam_L 03-18-2019 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken (Post 3196979)
Our cars need:
0W-20
API SN Plus
ILSAC GF-5

This meets the specs for $19.
https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-...dp/B07CG384GQ/

Castrol Edge is almost double at $33.

I recently picked up some Edge 0w-20 at Walmart (don't normally like to shop there.. ..too big......tenticles..... Godzilla ... big!) , for $20 + tax

You can find it on sale / rebate at Auto parts stores (major companies) for about $28 ish.

I don't like Amazon much either.... ..big fish, eating smaller fishes, for snacks, so yearly I tend not to patronize.

Flarpswitch 03-22-2019 04:19 PM

You would think that the amount of deliberation owners spend on choosing motor oil that they were calculating what it takes to get a satellite into orbit. Maybe it is one of the few things that an owner can attend to and not get in over their heads. I wonder if brake fluid gets as much attention. How many owners on this forum have cars that are overdue for time and/or mileage. I recently polled nearly all my friends on that and got a unanimous, “Huh?” Check your manual. And by the way, don’t confuse the DOT types; like synthetic motor oil, there are various blends for different applications. My Sprinter’s turbo-diesel requires a very specific oil formulation for low ash, sulfur and volatility to protect the DPF and SCR. The only readily available and reasonably priced oil that meets the MB 229.51 or 229.52 specification is Valvoline Synpower MST. With 13+ quarts for a fill, that gets expensive and if you let the shop do it, grab your socks. Comparing Valvoline to the next popular choice, Mobile One, the spec sheet reveals some only minor differences, but both exceed Mercedes-Benz specifications. The oil required for the Subaru FA 2.0 engine is available from a wider variety of suppliers. Last time I used Mobile One because I was at Costco, the price was good... done. I did use an oil filter acquired from the Subaru shop. This same sort of discussion about the best oil filter never ends. Done.

Yet another explanation of oil types: https://auto.howstuffworks.com/synthetic-motor-oil2.htm


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