2nd gen?
 

Wasn't sure where to put this or if it has even been posted on the sight somewhere. I just saw this today. Not even interested in the story just the pic. I'll just leave this here.
https://www.motor1.com/news/241414/2...a-86-rendered/
Looks like a twin and a RX-8 had an inbred child


Don

Needs B16 swap

DUDE!
That is the render that they have used to say the MR2 is coming, that the 86 is done and now that it is based on some bullshit they made up.

Here it is back in November when they said the model was being upgraded based entirely upon their own speculation.
https://www.motor1.com/news/274827/t...-lineup-rumor/

Here is what they said it would look like last June
https://onlineautoinsurancecov.com/w...t-1024x576.jpg

Any wingnut with a graphics program an render a car. It does not mean it is coming from Toyota.


People, just last week all these sites were reporting the end of the 86 and now all of a sudden they all have insider info on the new design?

I can not believe people fall for this shit.

Everyone, get off Tcoat's lawn already :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:

REALLY!




humfrz
:scared0016:

You are welcome on my lawn anytime.
It isn't Dadillac I am calling out here it is the bloody fiction writers at Motor 1.
One of the worst of the clickbaits takes the statement that the 86 is not being killed, adds a whole bunch of speculation to that statement but presents it as fact then dusts off an old home made render and says it is new. Now 10 other sites will jump on that, add their own speculative bullshit and people will believe it. I bet we have 5 more threads based on this render before the week is out.

Oh and if they built the car as described it would be an 86 in name only since there would be very little left of the original.

You guys knock yourself out over this fiction if you want but I will wait until the Toyota press release or an actual concept to pop up before I believe a thing.

https://i.imgur.com/Ermh1k0.gif

I want them to kill the 86. So all of our cars will be a collectors. :(

I want them to continue as long as possible so our OEM parts stream remains intact!



You'll be waiting until hell freezes over before you make money on a "collector" car. Invest the money wisely.

This quote from Tada to R&T makes it sound like the 86 has a solid future; otherwise their would be no concern of manual (especially the 4cylinder) Supra poaching the 86 market. I haven’t seen this discussed much, especially with all the recent fake news flowing out over the last week or so:


Tada explained that the potential for a manual Supra is complicated by the positioning of the 86, which, of course, offers a stick shift. "I don't want to sound too business-y, but I also need to support the 86. Looking at the role of the 86 and the role of the Supra, I want to differentiate, make sure they each have their own identity," he said. "If the Supra had a manual transmission, there's nowhere for the 86 to go."

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...-future-plans/

The sites loved that statement. Now the same sites are going completely against it in saying that the 86 will be made more powerful with a new platform to support that power? Isn't that now taking it into Supra territory? If we believe the Tada "quote" then the 86 will not be bumped up to Supra levels for the same reasons they didn't want to bring the Supra down to the 86. People screamed at a $50K Supra and they will faint at a $45K 86.

Must be a fun job these “journalists” have to get paid to write whatever nonsense pops into fheir head that day for the sole purpose of spinning people up.

If Tada’s comments are sincere, I feel the best expectation in a new generation would be a slight increase in power while maintaining a lightweight NA platform. Perhaps a number 240-250hp number for the markets that are not getting either of the 2 4 cylinder Supra models.

Given that there are 2 4 cylinder turbo options in markets with the current 86, it would just seem bizarre for a turbo platform 86 at a similar price point (in those markets). What Subaru is thinking, who knows, it’s such a red-headed step child in their line up, anything is possible.

People screaming at a $50k Supra also just blows my mind. At its highest price, the last gen approached $50K, and that was over 20 years ago when $50K was much more money. Even its $40K price point would be about $65k today. With the trend of the NSX and GT-R, if anything, I’m surprised it came in at 50K and not higher.

But what the hell do I know, I’m just an idiot who is bored and stuck on an airplane streaming my consciousness :bonk:

Is yours parked in a climate controlled building? Have you driven it at all? If you have not stored it away and put any miles on it it is already ruined for collector status by modern standards.
Drive it. Enjoy it. But never think it will be anything but a used car down the road.

The sad part is that their tactics work because they will get loads of clicks and make some cash.

you misspoke, here, i fix...whatever nonsense poops into their head

:lol:

And that is just the ones that start the ball rolling. All the others that simply parrot the bull by saying "according to madeupautocrap.com the ..." are regurgitating that poop. They aren't even bright enough to make up their own poop.

It's not that it's $50k,it's that it's $50k and you get less for your money than say a 370Z Nismo,which is $5k less,more power,and offered in a manual.Hell,you can get the non Nismo version and have more power for $20k less!

I feel like if if this car was 400hp out of the box,no one would complain about the price.I know that people will tune it and squeeze more power out of it,but anyone that thinks this motor will do what the 2JZ was able to do might be a tad bit more that optimistic,and that's where the value of the Mark IV is,even if it's $60k+ in today's money.

Eh the more that get made, the more that get wrecked, the more I can buy to rebuild.

Or... they just didn't want to pay for all the testing required to offer both transmissions on a niche car.

I get that, but you could use that argument for just about any car that happens to be cheaper/more powerful than a car more expensive than it. Take the American horsepower wars going on. You could argue all of those vehicles are better value than say a Porsche, McLaren, etc. that costs substantially more money. Power to Dollar isn’t the only factor at play here. They are marketing it as a higher end vehicle. Also on the 370Z, that argument would stand that you can get much more car from a Mustang GT/Camaro SS for about the same pride as a 370Z.

Re: the 370Z. It’s a solid vehicle, but definitely doesn’t have the interior refinements of a 2019, simply because it’s pretty much still a car built in 2009. I do love the new Nismo’s and seriously considered one before picking up my tS, but I wouldn’t be surprised that when/if Nissan comes out with a new Z, if it won’t see similar pricing, or at least a decent price hike.

But hey, we all have our opinions of its price, what’s worth it or not, etc. None of us are right or wrong, it’s just what is important to the individual. Hell, people think getting the tS was stupid, I say hogwash to that, I love my car and it’s worth every stupid penny I’ve dumped into it! :)

And the $30K version is not the same standard as the $45K version.

Much like the 86 people want a whole shopping list of things for half the price it costs to make the car and then get all indigent because they feel they are being ripped off at the actual price. This of course leads to poor comparisons in order to support their belief.

I would love to believe the new Supra is a better car than an ancient 370z. In every way. Even without a manual.

It will be interesting to see what happens when they start actually appearing.


Anyways, 2nd gen 86? No interest here. Just another car the internet will pan and "enthusiasts" will despise.

Planning to drive my 1st gen 86 until 200k miles

Wow it's amazing how all threads morph into a "Supra" thread. I know that the 2nd gen 86 pic is an independent rendering. It was just that it was the first time I saw it and could not believe how incredibly ugly it was to my eyes. I in no way was insinuating that I thought this was the future of the twins. I would be open to trading my car early if the next gen has the FA24 turbo but not if it looked like that. Just my story and I'm sticking to it


Don

Wasn't you I was yelling at it was the damn clickbaits using the same homemade render for every article they write on the 86.People will see that monstrosity and think it is in some way a leaked official picture because that is what the site wants them to think.
The Supra was relevant to the conversation not as a comparison but by the clear statement that they don't want to have each model cross over each other. That pretty much excludes a big HP boost for the 86.
That said if they go with the new engine do not expect the next gen 86 to be much like the current one. It very well could look like one of the fantasy renders.

:bonk: Are the rendered vents functional?

:cheers:

:suicide:

The thing is,those arguments are made on a daily basis,and are valid.When cars that cost $100k+ are getting outperformed by cars that are half the price,what are you paying for other than the name? Maybe reliability? Maybe resellability? If you say yes to those two,then it's probably worth it from an investment standpoint. If you are just paying extra money for a badge or status symbol,then is it really worth it? I guess it really depends on the individual.

Ultimately,the only reason why there aren't any wrong answers is because those cars that are "overpriced" for the performance are still getting made and enough people are buying them. I guess the market will always determine what's worth it or not.

So the only reason that you aren't interested in a 2nd gen 86 is because of what the internet might say about it?

Meanwhile, here's a leaked photo of the second generation BRZ "Skorpion" concept, set to go into production when Toyota separates from Subaru:

http://www.stanceiseverything.com/wp.../skorpion2.jpg

Oh, no not at all. I just have no interest at all.


IDGAF what is said about my car or the twins in general, I'll gladly say most of it myself.

I love how the article leads right off with "we just had a couple of our dudes who were semi skilled in Paint draw up something that we sorta think looks like what an 86 MKII could look like if they just asked us but it has no basis in reality"

Of course, I'm paraphrasing....

Here is the official Subaru render of it


https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/sports-car-5269521.jpg

I loved how they have had that render around for months and used it in other articles then all of a sudden it is "new" based up their "info".

It's almost like some of the news on the internet is fake?

:laughabove: There goes another rumorville!

Ok,just checking. I'll admit,if a second gen 86 is more of the same,I won't be interested either.

:lol:
Don

If you look carefully, there are swooshes coming off the back of this rendering. That can only indicate one thing. SUPERCHARGER!

OMG, somebody brought the AMC Pacer back !!! Love it