Did I miss out??
 

This was on the buyatoyota.com website:

https://www.buyatoyota.com/norcal/of...=86_cash_70724

Each 86 comes with Toyota Safety Sense (TSS-P) - a suite of advanced safety features which include: Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Automatic High Beams, Pre-*Collision System with Pedestrian Detection function and Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist - at no additional cost.

I'm pretty sure the 2019's don't have them. If they did, I would have waited till this year instead of buying my 86 in 2018. More safety gear the better.

I'm guessing that that web page isn't accurate.

I can't confirm that the 86 comes with that package -:iono:

An interweb blurb said:

"While the 86 doesn't offer a Toyota Safety Sense package, it does come with the Star Safety System, Smart Stop Technology, and Hill Start Assist Control, all of which deliver a better sense of confidence when you get behind the wheel, and make sure that you have a better chance of making it home safely.May 3, 2018"


humfrz

I have a 2019 86GT and I don’t think I have that feature, or at least haven’t been able to see it


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You want that stuff on an FR-S/86? It has a very good chassis structure, great visibility, and with an attentive and competent driver all the safety needed is in the car. Those 'drivers aids' are baby steps to autonomous driving vehicles that take control from a driver...It's bad enough the traction control hard cuts engine power then gradually feeds it back in when you are turning from a stop under hard excelleration (which is why mine is 'off' %100 of the time...). Funny I have ZERO issues with accelerating with it 'off' yet with it on the car sometimes cuts power for a second then slowly feeds it back in...

Not like it's a Camaro which needs all the help it can get since you can't see well out of it...

I've had TC cut power on mine when trying to accelerate more up a steep grade on a freeway in a down pour. I didn't even floor it, just pressed the gas pedal enough to the point where I wouldn't slow down going up the grade. So instead of "feeling safer" with it, I felt that I was in more danger since it considerably slowed down the car.

So be it - I want most all of those OTHER drivers to have ALL the nannies that can be given to them - so as THEY don't be running to ME!


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humfrz

They screwed up. The 86 is the only "Toyota" that does not come with the safety package.

My '19 has none of those. It would have been nice to have the $1,500 cash though.


Don

Toyota doesn't know the 86 exists, much less what features it has.

Savage AF

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Humfrz is right, although my newer CX-5 has that stuff and then some though :lol: I have to admit they are quite useful for lazy long highway cruises too.

The 86 only has the basic safety stuff as part of the star safety sense pack, not much changed over the years so far. And why would you want anything else on a barebones sports car other than to compete in the market for say the higher trim ND miatas, I'm pretty sure if you bought a manual most of the auto braking stuff would be nullified except for hill hold assist. The star safety pack on Toyotas is literally just the minimum that's always been on 2016+ 86, BRZ, FRS:

Rearview camera: Required by the NHTSA at this point, so it's not even a fair selling point, cars have to have this if they are built after May 2018



Electronic brake force distribution (EBFD): Spreads the braking force evenly throughout all four wheels, for instance it'll apply more pressure to the fronts under harder braking than the rear due to the amount of weight shift to the front and that changes based on that weight shifting force. Alot of track people noticed this and used different pads to make it advantageous or less effective in some cases


Smart stop tech: just keeps you from accidentally pressing the gas and brake at the same time and cuts power out if you do it



VSC, TCS, ABS: the usual stuff everyone knows about and usually disables :lol:



That's pretty much it, nothing special. Maybe in the next gen ,if there is one, they may offer something to compete with the new miata. But adding radar cruise and all that would require things like an electronic parking brake and stuff like that and that would honestly effect the driving dynamics of being a "drifter" machine. Unless they could tie it to the stock handle

Lazy web dev copy-pasted the wrong stuff. Don't trust dealer sites for details.

People really need to learn to adjust their mirrors. I have zero issues seeing out of mine except for figuring out exactly where the wheels end since they stick out past the bodywork on my car. It could be much better of course. IMO the FT86 suffers from rear visibility issues also though.

The wife's Impreza has the Subaru equivalent to this. I call it the "Distracted Driving Package". Some of it such as the active cruise and back up movement sensors I really really like. Could do without the lane departure and "vehicle in front has moved" warnings though. Don't know about the Toyota package but at least hers allows you to turn off each thing desperately so you can pic and choose what you want.
The biggest drawback so far is the thing is massive and takes up a good chunk of windshield real-estate. When it makes a difference in that massive chunk of glass in the Impreza I can't imagine what it would do to visibility in the FRS
Had a couple of people say it looks light lights in a cop car.

I'm assuming the platform isn't set up for that stuff, especially since we're dealing with a mix of Subaru and Toyota components. The time + cost of figuring out a solution that isn't crap is probably out of the question for this gen.

Also, "free." Blah, the cost is baked into the final price.

I'm okay with blind spot monitoring and automatic high beams, but nothing better take control of the wheel or apply the brakes without my input.

The car came out (and has been pretty much the same since) when the Star Safety system was the norm in Toyota cars.

all the new fangled Toyota Safety Sense stuff (which really became standard like 2 years ago) was not implemented in this car.

ALL the cars I drive suffer from this - :bonk:


humfrz

Ok, it's the cars...

Well, yes, all except one - :thumbsup:


humfrz

There will be always a new car with a new feature, you didn't miss anything

And that one has forward visibility issues...only way can be driven is with the top down because the top frame of the windshield is right in my face blocking half my view and my head would be pushing up against the top with it down. Have to bend way down and tilt head way up with face nearly against glass to see a traffic signal... LOL

Barely fit in the FR-S comfortably with aftermarket seat and head a fingers thickness from the headliner. Still have to lean a little bit forward and down and look up to see most traffic lights. At least the windshield lets me see above the horizon a little. 6'2" with long torso.

More about the forward and side visibility... looking sideways in a camaro is almost like looking ahead in a miata for me...slightly better.

This. I don't want a computer attempting to override my inputs. It seems as if that would cause more issues than it's worth.

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OK, I got the vehicle for you - ;)


humfrz

I wouldn't buy an 86 if it had that crap!

Yep that's eyesight, the mazda systems are much smaller I'll take a picture in the day light and are just as effective.

It isn't as invasive as I thought it would be. You could force it to drive into a wall but it would scream at you constantly. In most cases it doesn't act as long as there is some sort of input.

Can only really notice it on my mazda in the frost, but after the snow today I took a pic, other companies seem to do a better job of integrating radar and lidar all throughout the body than subaru I guess. The camera controls alot and it's been just as good as the ascent I test drove with all the safety nannies. The huge mazda logo on the front of these cars houses alot of radar and lidar equipment. So I guess that's how they get around using two cameras:

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