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Sloyota 02-05-2019 12:40 PM

Cost to go turbo??
 
Hi guy痴, i知 looking to go Turbo soon! What would be the total cost of doing so not including turbo kit? I知 not looking to reinforce anything but the clutch! Looking more into HKS, Greddy and AVO.


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finch1750 02-05-2019 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloyota (Post 3182331)
Hi guy痴, i知 looking to go Turbo soon! What would be the total cost of doing so not including turbo kit? I知 not looking to reinforce anything but the clutch! Looking more into HKS, Greddy and AVO.


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Call the tuning shop you plan to have install it and ask them.

humfrz 02-05-2019 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloyota (Post 3182331)
Hi guy痴, i知 looking to go Turbo soon! What would be the total cost of doing so not including turbo kit? I知 not looking to reinforce anything but the clutch! Looking more into HKS, Greddy and AVO.


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Hello Sloyota and welcome to our forum - :clap:

You may get more input if you would place your question over here:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78


I reckon, if you're not going to beef up (or modify) any other parts of the car (except the clutch) and excluding the cost of the kit itself, the cost would include the installation and a tune.

Those prices are best estimated from your local shop.


humfrz

Tcoat 02-05-2019 01:03 PM

If ya gatta' ask you need to do more homework.
And no asking is not doing homework.

DarkPira7e 02-05-2019 01:09 PM

Budget $5,000 and up. You may think you can get things for cheaper, but to do it right, it will be 5k. I thought I could do it for under 3 and am currently 2k over budget.

Small things that get overlooked -
Tires and wheels to hold power - $1,200 for decent wheels with tires that have a good compound
Cooling in the form of an oil cooler - $500-$1,000
Tuning licensing cost and actual tuning - $1,000 +
Heat management (heat wrap / reflective tape / hood venting) $200 to $1,500
New clutch yo - $650-$1,500
Oil catch cans - $300+

Notice how there's nothing here that adds power aside tuning? Yeah

EDIT:: Just re-read your post, you were asking for cost not including the kit. This has key items, you may also want to include injectors depending on your goals.

Tcoat 02-05-2019 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3182346)
Budget $5,000 and up. You may think you can get things for cheaper, but to do it right, it will be 5k. I thought I could do it for under 3 and am currently 2k over budget.

Small things that get overlooked -
Tires and wheels to hold power - $1,200 for decent wheels with tires that have a good compound
Cooling in the form of an oil cooler - $500-$1,000
Tuning licensing cost and actual tuning - $1,000 +
Heat management (heat wrap / reflective tape / hood venting) $200 to $1,500
New clutch yo - $650-$1,500
Oil catch cans - $300+

Notice how there's nothing here that adds power aside tuning? Yeah

You didn't do your homework either then!

DarkPira7e 02-05-2019 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3182355)
You didn't do your homework either then!

There's a reason I have a GED and not a highschool diploma :iono:

Tcoat 02-05-2019 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3182359)
There's a reason I have a GED and not a highschool diploma :iono:

I should look at getting a GED someday.

Sloyota 02-05-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3182337)
If ya gatta' ask you need to do more homework.
And no asking is not doing homework.



Man i知 18 still in hs working 40hrs a week. I think I got enough on my plate to be doing homework. Forums are here to seek info, and even give out info. Seems like you池e not here for neither.


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Sapphireho 02-05-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkPira7e (Post 3182346)
Budget $5,000 and up. You may think you can get things for cheaper, but to do it right, it will be 5k. I thought I could do it for under 3 and am currently 2k over budget.

Small things that get overlooked -
Tires and wheels to hold power - $1,200 for decent wheels with tires that have a good compound
Cooling in the form of an oil cooler - $500-$1,000
Tuning licensing cost and actual tuning - $1,000 +
Heat management (heat wrap / reflective tape / hood venting) $200 to $1,500
New clutch yo - $650-$1,500
Oil catch cans - $300+

Notice how there's nothing here that adds power aside tuning? Yeah

EDIT:: Just re-read your post, you were asking for cost not including the kit. This has key items, you may also want to include injectors depending on your goals.


I don't see any suspension or drivetrain work? Need more budget.

finch1750 02-05-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloyota (Post 3182363)
Man i知 18 still in hs working 40hrs a week. I think I got enough on my plate to be doing homework. Forums are here to seek info, and even give out info. Seems like you池e not here for neither.


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Seek info as in look for the info, not get it spoon fed. You should also have money stashed away for a spare motor/tranny in case something goes wrong. Much more is needed then just a clutch when going FI.

We are trying to save you from a mistake. If you can't price out what is needed then I would be worried if you install this yourself. It is not simple. If you plan to have a shop install then they will be able to give the most accurate quote for whichever systems you are looking at out the door.

finch1750 02-05-2019 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3182364)
I don't see any suspension or drivetrain work? Need more budget.

I know a guy on lowering springs and stock shocks that's turbo. It can be done lol

qcbaker 02-05-2019 01:29 PM

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DarkPira7e 02-05-2019 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3182364)
I don't see any suspension or drivetrain work? Need more budget.

I figured I'd let him ride the buckin' bronco since he doesn't want to make anything stronger but the clutch. Obviously motor mounts, clutch mounts, diff mounts, suspension should all be addressed, but I just wanted to hit things he doesn't have aside the clutch

Sloyota 02-05-2019 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3182370)
Seek info as in look for the info, not get it spoon fed. You should also have money stashed away for a spare motor/tranny in case something goes wrong. Much more is needed then just a clutch when going FI.



We are trying to save you from a mistake. If you can't price out what is needed then I would be worried if you install this yourself. It is not simple. If you plan to have a shop install then they will be able to give the most accurate quote for whichever systems you are looking at out the door.



I appreciate it! I am speaking with a local 86 owner and he was just telling me something similar to this. I think i知 gonna buy everything I need before installing it.


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Tcoat 02-05-2019 01:30 PM

"I want to slap a cheap turbo on" is one of the most frequently asked questions on this forum. If people do not understand everything that is required and why they are required then telling them a bunch of prices are meaningless and actually cause issues.
Spend the time. Do the homework as to what is needed and what it costs. Don't expect to be spoon fed everything.


The question here wasn't even "what do I need?" it is "what will it cost?". There is no demonstration of understanding what work is needed.


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Leonardo 02-05-2019 01:33 PM

If I had a time machine, I would go back to when I was 18 and tell myself this:


Forget the turbo. Save your money. When you have $5,000 plus saved, you WILL want to do something else with it anyway.

finch1750 02-05-2019 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sloyota (Post 3182375)
I appreciate it! I am speaking with a local 86 owner and he was just telling me something similar to this. I think i知 gonna buy everything I need before installing it.


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That's sounding like a better plan. As you get a parts list together if you need feedback on specific things check the Forced Induction subforum. Specific questions about a part will get much better answers as it shows you have some understanding of what is going on.

Stephen W. 02-05-2019 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3182377)

Teach a man (who's on a car forum) to fish and...
He'll go broke buying things like an updated Bass Boat with a bigger engine. Then he'll drive everyone crazy with questions about which prop to buy and what oil to use...

Tcoat 02-05-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by finch1750 (Post 3182382)
That's sounding like a better plan. As you get a parts list together if you need feedback on specific things check the Forced Induction subforum. Specific questions about a part will get much better answers as it shows you have some understanding of what is going on.

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MuseChaser 02-05-2019 03:27 PM

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The question here wasn't even "what do I need?" it is "what will it cost?". There is no demonstration of understanding what work is needed...


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Dave-ROR 02-05-2019 03:40 PM

Don't listen to these guys. You just need a turbo from a Ford Powerstroke Diesel out of a junkyard and some tubing.

mrg666 02-05-2019 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3182380)
If I had a time machine, I would go back to when I was 18 and tell myself this:


Forget the turbo. Save your money. When you have $5,000 plus saved, you WILL want to do something else with it anyway.

Strange, I would do the same with that 5K.

mrg666 02-05-2019 04:00 PM

- Get the HKS, Greddy, or AVO turbo.
- Leave out everything else.
- Get it installed or install yourself at the stock boost level.
- Get the best tune in the world. Work with Delicious and CSG
- Start driving on the street first and keep an eye on the car. Get Torque Pro on your phone to see the data.

You will know if heat is a problem. Then, get oil cooler.
You will know when clutch starts to give up. Then, get the clutch upgrade.
You will know power is overwhelming the handling, get better tires and wheels.
You will know if you need better brakes. Then upgrade the pads first, then the rest if necessary.
You will know if you need better suspension. Then upgrade the suspension.
You will know if you want more power, rebuild the engine and do it.

Leonardo 02-05-2019 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 3182470)
Strange, I would do the same with that 5K.



You must be closer to 18 years old than I am...

mrg666 02-05-2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3182474)
You must be closer to 18 years old than I am...

Oh, you are assuming! But ... you might be right if reincarnation is true.

86MLR 02-05-2019 04:11 PM

$10k

Reliable and beefed up = $40k

XPLSV 02-05-2019 04:16 PM

Just don't worry about all the parts that were never designed for a boosted engine...get a 2019 Supra!

m.box.design 02-05-2019 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3182380)
If I had a time machine, I would go back to when I was 18 and tell myself this:


Forget the turbo. Save your money. When you have $5,000 plus saved, you WILL want to do something else with it anyway.

I agree.

But perhaps some people NEED to make horrible financial decisions to learn from it. I would imagine an 18yr old working 40 hours a week probably doesn't need to boost (and possibly ruin the engine) of his daily driver that he uses to go to his job. Just assuming here though, maybe he works a really good job, makes bank, and has multiple cars.

86MLR 02-05-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by m.box.design (Post 3182486)
I agree.

But perhaps some people NEED to make horrible financial decisions to learn from it. I would imagine an 18yr old working 40 hours a week probably doesn't need to boost (and possibly ruin the engine) of his daily driver that he uses to go to his job. Just assuming here though, maybe he works a really good job, makes bank, and has multiple cars.

Hey, cut out the common sense.

DearDiaryJackpot 02-05-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mrg666 (Post 3182473)
- Get the HKS, Greddy, or AVO turbo.
- Leave out everything else.
- Get it installed or install yourself at the stock boost level.
- Get the best tune in the world. Work with Delicious and CSG
- Start driving on the street first and keep an eye on the car. Get Torque Pro on your phone to see the data.

You will know if heat is a problem. Then, get oil cooler.
You will know when clutch starts to give up. Then, get the clutch upgrade.
You will know power is overwhelming the handling, get better tires and wheels.
You will know if you need better brakes. Then upgrade the pads first, then the rest if necessary.
You will know if you need better suspension. Then upgrade the suspension.
You will know if you want more power, rebuild the engine and do it.

I'm getting my parts for now, and Circuit Motorsports told me: Do the clutch first so the break in period is done smoothly, then when you get the turbo and tune dialed in, you can just go out an rip the tires.
and about $8k to answer OP question.

DarkPira7e 02-05-2019 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by m.box.design (Post 3182486)
I agree.

But perhaps some people NEED to make horrible financial decisions to learn from it. I would imagine an 18yr old working 40 hours a week probably doesn't need to boost (and possibly ruin the engine) of his daily driver that he uses to go to his job. Just assuming here though, maybe he works a really good job, makes bank, and has multiple cars.

I'll play devil's advocate here and say that in a period where financial stability may be at its least critical for him, maybe it's a good time to get it out and just do it. I wish I had exploited my time living under my parent's roof better. Boost is harder to come by with a mortgage, wife, and cats. I'm saying this only for the point of being argumentative and supporting someone who wants to start his endeavor. My life in the car world started with a 3000GT VR4.

I learned a lot quicker than I would've otherwise, for better or worse. 2009 me-"HAY GUIZ i heard BIG B00M wat that, car go SLOWWWWW and dyes out???????????? n how do I get 500whp????????"

2009 forum- Search

2009 me- "local shop said my intercooler piping came off. Sorry for the dumb question"

2009 forum- Noob, GB2Newgrounds

:barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf::barf:

HaXx 02-17-2019 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Sloyota (Post 3182363)
Forums are here to seek info, and even give out info. Seems like you池e not here for neither.


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dang bro this thread turned to cancer on you, subie forums can be rough.
it costs abt 4k for the kit,
costs abt 1k for the install
costs about 1k for tune and ecutek license fees etc

you dont need to upgrade your flipping engine mounts, tires, suspension, and everything else under the sun mentioned in this thread to be running 260 whp, 190 ft/lb. mf's on this thread telling you to spend 15 grand building you car to run 260whp/190tq smh. you dont even need to do a clutch if ur just going to run 260/190.

mf's trying to preach life lessons like "teach a man to fish" on boosted induction threads smh

itll cost you about 6 grand all in dude.
thats exactly how much i did for my jrsc kit 15kmiles ago
you dont need to build your entire car around a 260/190 kit. when its time for brakes, get good brakes, when its time for tires, get good tires.

i have a 200whp s1000rr, so i dont beat on my brz, its not a fast car, treat it right and it will treat you right

Lantanafrs2 02-17-2019 11:47 AM

The aftermarket thrives on middle aged guys trying to make up for their conservative upbringing. If I was young and had the money, I'd spend it. Life is too short lol

e30kawi 02-18-2019 03:38 AM

I like stuff like this. I'd barely made $5,000 by the time I was 18. While I want to say don't do it and save for college/trade school/ down payment on a house, I agree with the view of, do it now before you have more responsibilities! I'll be 35 next month and have the funds but maybe lacking the follow through. Also, insurance is stupid expensive for me, can't imagine what it's like for an 18yo!

Another vote for doing it! Or don't, but at least you're young enough to say you didn't know better!


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