Too capable for public roads
 

With more performance oriented tires installed, I find myself speeding up when I see a corner instead of slowing down. Who else has changed tires and now feels the need to take corners at higher speeds?

Let me clarify lol. With stock tires, the rear end will lose grip sooner, so I would take corners at a slower pace in order to avoid drifting into a ditch or guard rail. Now that I have new tires installed, the limits are much higher, allowing me to take corners at higher speeds, but those speeds will now cause me to get a nice speeding ticket or be thrown in jail.

Literally everyone who has ever upgraded their wheels/tires... going all the way back to horse-drawn carriages.

This is standard behavior.

Try autox now.

I've never NOT done this, on ANY tire. Including my winters...

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If our car is too capable for public roads: why can't owners keep their car on them?

Time to trade in for a Civic DX.

Guess you should only be driving it in parking garages from now on:

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Let me clarify lol. With stock tires, the rear end will lose grip sooner, so I would take corners at a slower pace in order to avoid drifting into a ditch or guard rail. Now that I have new tires installed, the limits are much higher, allowing me to take corners at higher speeds, but those speeds will now cause me to get a nice speeding ticket or be thrown in jail.

Welcome to the conundrum of owning a sports car, but having to drive on public roads. Now is when you need to start looking into autocross and track days as an outlet for your newfound need for speed. And I won't be a hypocrite and say I haven't had some fun on public roads; we all have. Entrance ramps are fun as hell with good tires. Just be mindful of your surroundings. It's one thing to risk only yourself and your car sliding off the road and into a field/tree. It's another thing to risk sliding into oncoming traffic, or a box full of cute, innocent kittens. Be smart, and you can have a little bit of fun without even the slightest risk of ruining someone else's day/life.

was watching this movie last week and trying to explain to my wife why this one was the best one in terms of driving. she still didnt get...:iono:

oh and OP, that is the point of getting better tires to corner faster just dont be a jerk about it lol :burnrubber:

happy driving!!!!

About a decade ago I worked with a WRX douche at a television network in DC who used to go on and on about drifting, especially "pendulum turns." He was always talking about taking pendulum turns while drifting his AWD WRX. "Man I had a guy right on my tail the other night, but I made a pendulum turn and that was the last I saw of him!"

Then one day he ran into a wall in the parking garage at 400 North Capitol. He wasn't hooning, it was just a low wall that was difficult to see, and he clipped it while pulling into work at 5AM. But we spun a sarcastic narrative around it that had him attempting to elude Asian gangsters in our parking garage by doing pendulum turns around the columns. Then he pushed it too far, clipped that wall and had to bail since there were too many of them to fight off on his own. Soon our story included Fox and CNN anchors in the elevator with their security teams alongside them, so that the gangsters were reluctant to follow, and he was safe to drift another day.

He never mentioned a pendulum turn again after that. His next line of bullshit was that bathing was a conspiracy put in place by deodorant companies (which seemed oddly reversed to me), and that it was bad for your health to bathe more than once every three days.

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With that being said, the twins are known for their playful nature at lower speeds due to the stock tires and suspension setup. For the people that upgraded to better tires, do you miss the tail happiness? I know Subaru and Toyota have revised the suspension throughout the years, so that may vary depending on the model year of your vehicle.

Huh, I do this on all cars I drive. Hahaha

Not me. I have 18x9.5 RPF1s wrapped in Pilot Super Sports. I can still kick the back end out when I want to. The difference is that it happens when I want it to, not when the low rolling resistance stock tires wanted it to.

This worried me when I went from the stock tires to 255 section Michelin Pilot Super Sports, but the end result was far from what I had feared. Some people (those "THE CAR IS WAY TOO UNDERPOWERED" folks) had insisted that my car would just be STUCK to the pavement, and that it would be impossible to have fun. The reality is that the car still gets sideways if you flog it, but now also allows you to follow an 18-wheeler around an entrance ramp without looking like you're practicing for your next Gymkhana event. In stock form, the playful nature of the car was fun, but it eventually got annoying to not be able to keep up with other cars in everyday scenarios without sliding all over the place, or for the rear end to just randomly kick out under 1/4 throttle when turning left at an intersection if the pavement had even a drop of oil on it. I'm a grip guy, so I like a car that will peel your face off in a corner.

Also you still get plenty of that rear-end movement accelerating out of turns, or driving quickly over undulating pavement, where the rear end moves around a little bit under power, with some side-slip and whatnot, so all of that playfulness still comes through, but the car actually sticks to the road rather than sliding the ass end out everywhere, lol.

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I like grip as well. I actually feel more confident with the handling abilities in this vehicle than I did in my 16 Camaro SS.

2013 FR-S here. I have 615K+ on mine now and sometimes I miss the ability to slide around without much effort but at the same time I enjoy the grip.

One thing that is surprising is how the TC is still over bearing even with the extra grip of good tires. It's a bit ridiculous when you downshift to 4th on the interstate and hit the TC brick wall.

Yeah I added new tires to mine, is it warps the tarmac if I'm cornering hard. IT JUST DIGS IN TOO GOOD. I've even been cited by the policy for public disturbances when doing this. The whole road shifted 8 feet because of the grip I was putting down! This car owns

Yeah, I noticed you can't really shift aggressively without traction control kicking in. I guess I'll have to try this new "Track" mode to see if it actually makes a difference.

Just because I put on Air Jordans doesn't make me Michael Jordan.

If this car is classified as too capable for roads with some new tires slapped on, i don't know what that makes all the Lambos, McLarens, Ferraris, Jags, and Porsches I'm seeing on the road.

I admit, it was a bit of a clickbait title :lol:

However, most people would look at 200-205hp and immediately think that this car is slow and that a mini van is better. Those vehicles you listed should be banned.

So you then upgrade the rear suspension joints with pillowball bushings to gain lively feedback without the tail breaking out.

I run Michelin Pilot Super Sports, I'm on about 11k miles with them. One of my favorite sections per my commute is coming off the highway going 55-70mph into a T intersection. I particularly enjoy catching the yellow or approaching with speed, hard braking, and then diving into the corner.

Not a regular occurrence mind you but when the conditions are right I make the most of it.

i did this in my pickup truck with the new tires. is it really that weird to do it in a sports car?

No, its not. Thanks for your input.

There’s this tight curve I have to take when leaving work that I love lol. I look forward to taking more than I do leaving work :lol: there are a few more that I take on my way to school and stuff but man I’ve never felt so much confidence taking a turn at a high speed in any car ever. It makes me so happy to just throw this little thing around and rev it out when coming out of a curve. It’s more than I could’ve ever asked for when I was looking for a new car.

However I do on occasion slip. It’s annoying and pretty dangerous too so I’m looking to upgrade tires here soon. Just got it a few months ago so it’s still stock. Interesting to hear other people’s experience with upgraded tires. Happy driving :burnrubber:

Is that 615k miles...?

They are 200UTQG tires. Falken Azenis RT-615K+
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I love the stock tires so much that I'm toying with the idea of buying a third set of someone's hand-me-downs. The stock first-year frs is just plain silly. Of course it could stick way more but I love its personality as-is. I've driven a bunch of others' with all different tire/suspension combinations and, although they all stick more, they also feel numb.

Hell, I can still tell when my tire pressure drops by only a couple psi.

The OP soon will discover that the car's grip is more limited by the patch of sand he didn't see than by the tires he bought. Good luck!

Lol I thought the same thing

Stickier tires are likely to get you into more trouble a lot quicker when they break free.

Not really. One of my students last year had done a skidpad school on the OEM Primacies and says he spun like 50 times (OK maybe 20...)! He didn't want to turn off stability control at the track for fear of spinning on 215 RE71R tires. But the fact is the RE71R has a TON more grip while sliding than the OEM Primacies. So we at least got to run "track mode", though I think he would have been totally fine with the "5 second hold" on TC button or with the "pedal dance".

The car is way easier to control at and beyond the limit on good sticky tires than the OEM tires. Yes, you will be going faster when you start to slide, but the residual grip is SO much greater that control is easier to maintain.

When you increase the power 94%, better tires are a must.

I 100% disagree with what you are saying. Stickier tires are absolutely not easier to control once you cross the limit. The stickier a tire is, generally speaking, the less warning you have as you approach the limit. Also that increased lateral grip means that when the tire does let go it is much more violent. Conversely, when the tire hooks up again, that transition is ALSO more violent, and makes snap oversteer much more likely to occur. And when the car is sliding, the added grip potential of those stickier tires means you need much more power to control them and "maintain the slide," or in the case of a low-power car with the BRZ, it requires much more aggressive throttle inputs.

This is the reason why (with all the driver aids off on both vehicles) a stock BRZ is easy to drive at the limit, but a stock supercar is not. Not just because you have to be going much faster in the Lambo or Ferrari, but because those cars have ginormous, sticky tires, that will happily bring you right up to the limits of their enormous grip, and then suddenly let go with little warning. It's a much larger transition to no grip when you have a lot more grip to begin with. And when those tires hook up suddenly, it will be violent AF!

I respectfully disagree. I have driven both (Primacy and RE71).
And while it's true that the RE71 have a lot more grip while sliding than the OEM that doesn't make them easier to control. That's because the difference in grip between "not sliding and sliding" is higher with the RE71 than the OEM. So when you start sliding you need to react much quicker with the grippier tire. That's why it's so easy to control a slide in snow or rain, in general the less grip you have, the more time you have to react, and the less violent is the change in lateral accelaration from grip/slide/grip.
The reason a beginner would slide/spin a lot more in the OEM than grippier tire is easy to figure out. It's probably because he overdrove the OEM and underdrove the RE71.

Well, I 1000% disagree with you :P

I can tell that my student was extremely relieved to find the car much more *driveable* at and just beyond the limit on RE71Rs vs. OEM Primacies.

You can't generalize about tires, characteristics at the limit are going to vary from specific model to specific model. For sure there are plenty of very sticky tires out there that are very progressive and linear when losing and regaining grip. I'm a big fan of RE71Rs and Nitto NT01s. You can hang the back end out all day and gather it back up smooove as silk, no problemo.