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SynrGG 11-29-2018 01:26 AM

This car is so easy to work on
 
First time doing some bolt - ons besides the cat back, here how it went! This car is so easy to work on!

https://youtu.be/BiXDYXAE_EQ

86MLR 11-29-2018 03:26 AM

Just wait till you change your spark plugs.

Breadman 11-29-2018 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3159317)
Just wait till you change your spark plugs.

You mean when you pay a garage 100s of dollars to do it for me

Tcoat 11-29-2018 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Breadman (Post 3159385)
You mean when you pay a garage 100s of dollars to do it for me

Why would he pay 100s of dollars to change your spark plugs?

fang_gt86 11-29-2018 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3159317)
Just wait till you change your spark plugs.

It's not that hard. You just need to be creative. I've done mine just by removing a few stuff in the way. Took me about an hour and a cold beer...

ermax 11-29-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SynrGG (Post 3159309)
First time doing some bolt - ons besides the cat back, here how it went! This car is so easy to work on!

https://youtu.be/BiXDYXAE_EQ


Some things on this car are super easy and some are a super pain in the ass.

Tcoat 11-29-2018 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3159395)
Some things on this car are super easy and some are a super pain in the ass.

So just like any other car ever made.

funwheeldrive 11-29-2018 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3159395)
Some things on this car are super easy and some are a super pain in the ass.

I have a Mr2 turbo. Working on my 86 is like playing with Duplos compared to that car.

ermax 11-29-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3159396)
So just like any other car ever made.


Correct. But a blanket statement that it's easy to work on isn't. But there is definitely a lot of thought put into bolt placement and stuff like that.


Here is an example:
https://i.imgur.com/SfeehMf.jpg


That hose curves out for no reason other than to give a clear shot to the bolt bellow.

Tcoat 11-29-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3159401)
Correct. But a blanket statement that it's easy to work on isn't.

Agreed.

MuseChaser 11-29-2018 12:11 PM

'81 Rabbit. Volvo 240. Those were/are kind of easy. Rust makes all things difficult. So far, my FR-S has been very easy to work on for me... since it's under warranty, I've had the dealership do everything. Very easy. We'll see how easy it is once the warranty runs out.. ;)

Tcoat 11-29-2018 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MuseChaser (Post 3159407)
'81 Rabbit. Volvo 240. Those were/are kind of easy. Rust makes all things difficult. So far, my FR-S has been very easy to work on for me... since it's under warranty, I've had the dealership do everything. Very easy. We'll see how easy it is once the warranty runs out.. ;)

Easiest was my 58 Chev with the straight 6. You could almost stand beside the engine in the bay
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...vrolet_150.jpg


Hardest was my 64 Econoline with the 351 crammed into the doghouse between the seats. Took 45 minutes of pulling panels just to put oil in it.


http://dougjenkinsgarage.com/blog/wp...3/100_0031.jpg


Closer to relent was my Corvair which was really really easy to do things such as change the belts but involved pulling half the car apart to do any other work at all. Nothing quite like having to remove the spare tire so you can change a sparkplug.


https://www.speednik.com/files/2015/...o_engine-1.jpg

Ultramaroon 11-29-2018 01:37 PM

Attention to design for serviceability waxes and wanes. The 80s were especially dark times.

Especially considering the complexity, this thing was packaged amazingly. Sometimes I just lie there and marvel at how beautifully it's laid out.

Sapphireho 11-29-2018 01:58 PM

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How would you like to work on a GT-3?

Sapphireho 11-29-2018 02:04 PM

Worst was my Porsche 914. The 911 and Lotus aren't much better.


Easiest was the 1964 Impala SS, 1969 Chevelle, and my 1970 jeep gladiator.

Summerwolf 11-29-2018 02:06 PM

Six posts and a YouTube link....


Errrrbboddy want dem YouTube dollas.

Tcoat 11-29-2018 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3159435)
Attention to design for serviceability waxes and wanes. The 80s were especially dark times.

Especially considering the complexity, this thing was packaged amazingly. Sometimes I just lie there and marvel at how beautifully it's laid out.

I have always considered most of the 80s as the age of "disposable" cars. With the exception of the German and a handful of Japanese ones they were designed to be used for 3 or 4 years and then thrown away for a new one. It was the time of sealed bearings, crimped joints instead of bolts, inaccessible components and (as we talked about before) such things as unserviceable clutch cable systems. The whole design of cars for that period just simply did not scream "fix me". Thank goodness they got away from that trend in the 90s or we would have totally unrepairable sealed modules for all major components by now.

Ultramaroon 11-29-2018 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 3159452)
Six posts and a YouTube link....


Errrrbboddy want dem YouTube dollas.

Did not click but I'll join in on the convo.

Tcoat 11-29-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 3159452)
Six posts and a YouTube link....


Errrrbboddy want dem YouTube dollas.

I never even click those links when posted here. 99% of them are a waste of time and only serve to annoy me anyway.

Ultramaroon 11-29-2018 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3159454)
Thank goodness they got away from that trend in the 90s or we would have totally unrepairable sealed modules for all major components by now.

Imagine transmissions without drain plugs.


wait wut?

Tcoat 11-29-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3159459)
Imagine transmissions without drain plugs.


wait wut?

Well there is something to be said for sealed modules I guess.
Nothing like changing the whole engine and drivetrain in a tank in under an hour.


http://cset.mnsu.edu/engagethermo/im...CpullingM1.jpg

ls1ac 11-29-2018 03:31 PM

Of all the cars I have had I think the worst was the Porsche Boxster S, put the top halfway down. Then lift and unscrew panels to get an obstructed view behind the seats. They recommend dropping the engine for most work.

Kiske 11-29-2018 08:30 PM

Porsche's aren't terrible if you can get the customer to pay the labor to drop the cradle. 3000gt if the only car that I still have nightmares about.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3159457)
I never even click those links when posted here. 99% of them are a waste of time and only serve to annoy me anyway.


Kind of like your entire OT post history. ;) (still salty about the NSFW keep scrolling post)

Tcoat 11-29-2018 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiske (Post 3159559)
Porsche's aren't terrible if you can get the customer to pay the labor to drop the cradle. 3000gt if the only car that I still have nightmares about.




Kind of like your entire OT post history. ;) (still salty about the NSFW keep scrolling post)

https://media1.tenor.com/images/150d...itemid=5153702

MuseChaser 11-29-2018 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiske (Post 3159559)
.....
Kind of like your entire OT post history. ;) (still salty about the NSFW keep scrolling post)


OK..what'd I miss?

Ultramaroon 11-29-2018 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiske (Post 3159559)
3000gt if the only car that I still have nightmares about.

Ooo.. Am I glad I never got one? I've always been curious about them.

mkodama 11-30-2018 02:53 AM

I’ve yet to find any post 80’s car that’s easier to work on. Everything is lightweight, low torque, sufficient clearance, no fancy tools, and well laid out.

funwheeldrive 11-30-2018 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by mkodama (Post 3159657)
I’ve yet to find any post 80’s car that’s easier to work on. Everything is lightweight, low torque, sufficient clearance, no fancy tools, and well laid out.

The NA Miata and DC4 Integra are easier to work on in my opinion, but one is notoriously slow and the other is FWD so it balances out in my opinion.

mkodama 12-02-2018 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 3159678)
The NA Miata and DC4 Integra are easier to work on in my opinion, but one is notoriously slow and the other is FWD so it balances out in my opinion.

Ooh, good point. I’ve worked on an NA only minimally but it was very simple and easy to get to everything.

firekat 12-06-2018 01:15 PM

Triumph Spitfire, GT-6. The whole front end tilts up. I would sit on the front tire and adjust the valve clearances (solid lifters!) You could pull the transmission out of the car from the inside. I could remove the transmission in less than 20 minutes. Of course the other thing is there was a lot less under the bonnet than cars today.

To a lessor extent, Jaguar E-Type, doesn't tilt as much and some things are hard to get to. My father had one and he had to pull the engine to access the starter.

Tcoat 12-06-2018 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by firekat (Post 3161542)
Triumph Spitfire, GT-6. The whole front end tilts up. I would sit on the front tire and adjust the valve clearances (solid lifters!) You could pull the transmission out of the car from the inside. I could remove the transmission in less than 20 minutes. Of course the other thing is there was a lot less under the bonnet than cars today.

To a lessor extent, Jaguar E-Type, doesn't tilt as much and some things are hard to get to. My father had one and he had to pull the engine to access the starter.

I never knew that! That is cool and you have total access to everything.


https://www.triumphexp.com/registry/...e_Rice_000.jpg


The hood on my 58 Ford opened forward but it just formed a wall that made working on anything extremely awkward. They only did it that one year and I can see why since I probably still have scars on my head from whacking it.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/20...2e7a11aaca.jpg

g e 12-06-2018 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3161545)
I never knew that! That is cool and you have total access to everything.


https://www.triumphexp.com/registry/...e_Rice_000.jpg


The hood on my 58 Ford opened forward but it just formed a wall that made working on anything extremely awkward. They only did it that one year and I can see why since I probably still have scars on my head from whacking it.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/20...2e7a11aaca.jpg

Pop's 57 Ford hood opened on front hinges. But it opened further if memory serves


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