Possible recall on the 86 regarding valve spring
 

May only be limited to ones manufactured between March 2012 and July 2013 for the FR-S in the USA, Subaru to recall ones made between January 2012 and September 2013. Forester and Impreza may also affected.



https://wtop.com/recalls/2018/11/toy...faulty-engine/


No details pertaining to the Canadian market but assume it'll be the same.

Not "possible" it is a recall.
More information and discussion here: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...05#post3150905

I've got a June 2012 build date, so I guess I'll have to keep checking my mail...

Yup will wait for the recall notice in the mail.


From that thread that Tcoat posted, it seems that the VIN range is this:


Toyota VIN 002028 to 031176, Subaru 002002 to 010144.


Is that specific for the USA? My VIN for the BRZ doesn't even fall in that range.

Mine is an early 2012 build date, have to check when. Took delivery July 2012, so I suspect it'll be affected.

Since the Subaru Canada site doesn't have a place to enter your VIN to see if your car qualifies for the recall, you can email: customercare@subaru.ca with your VIN and ask them, and they'll let you know.

They got back to me within 12 hours. I emailed because I'm in a weird situation where my VIN doesn't fall in the VIN range, but my build date falls in the date range

there is about 3051 units affected in Canada , only model year 2013 . Everyone will get a preliminary letter. Counter measure is currently being developed which I can assume like in the instance of the IS models, LS models and GS models that a superseded valve spring will be developed



Subject: Important Information – Engine Valve Spring Replacement on Certain 2013MY Scion FR-S Vehicles
I would like to provide you with notice of an upcoming Safety Recall Campaign, so that you may prepare your staff to handle customer inquiries. Your dealership plays a valuable role in servicing our products and ensuring our customers remain confident in the quality and safety of their vehicles. We are thankful for your diligence in handling this campaign.
Toyota will be initiating a Safety Recall Campaign (Ref. R68) on certain 2013MY Scion FR-S vehicles.
Due to the excessive performance load compared to the design assumption of the valve spring, and manufacturing variation (variation of metal fatigue strength and micro foreign matter in spring material), performance load may exceed the valve spring’s fatigue strength and it may fracture. If the valve spring fractures, the engine may stall while driving and may become unable to restart it, increasing safety risk.
Toyota is currently preparing the remedy for this condition. Once the preparations are complete, Toyota will send an owner notification letter by first class mail to owners of vehicles covered by this Safety Recall.
There are approximately 3,051 Scion FR-S vehicles covered by this campaign.

Just saw this. Yikes, guys. Toyota is about to become busy.

https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...subaru-recall/

Good times for the people that take their cars off the road for the winter.

I guess they will need to schedule their service appointments in April.

My car is produced in April 2012 but somehow the serial number ending precedes the recalled ones.

NyX_Nick, I am in the same boat as you where my production date is in the range but not the serial number. Did they say you will need the service?????

Well this is bad news but also good news if Toyota and Subaru are initiating a recall campaign.Those 2012-2013 FA20 were the guinea pig engines, this was expected. When I first heard about the valve spring issue I wasn't very surprised, just a bit worried. I hope my 2017 is not affected by this.
Good luck yall

This has nothing to do with the FA20 being a new engine. There are several hundred thousand other cars involved that had the same engine for years. It was a period of bad spring manufacturing totally unrelated to just the Twins. Your 17 is safe. So is my 14.

Followup to the recall notice. I DID NOT receive the notice for the 2013 Scion FR-S.

However, I did receive the notice for a 2012 xB that I bought new and traded back in 2014.

I received the recall letter, my VIN wasn't in the range that was initially posted. Subaru said they'll contact by mail again when they have the parts and are ready for repair.

MY2013 i believe

Traded my car back in september, and its in the vin range... wondering if i'll be the one receiving the letter...

Got my letter the other day, just have to make time to get it in now.

Got my letter too, I'm wondering if it's better to go during holidays or after holidays.

1.5+ days... :(, and may... provide a loaner. :(

I got my letter, my VIN is pretty much right in the middle of the range that was posted. I wonder what the trade in value of a low mileage (30k km) never winter driven '13 is? Maybe time to trade up.

You would probably do much better selling it privately.


Are you thinking of the trade up due to the recall? Don't think it's a big deal myself. It's like a $3,000 repair 100% covered by Subaru.

I am hoping a Toyota or Subaru tech could post (or PM me) a copy of the entire service schedule for this safety recall.

I'm curious if they will try to reflash my (Ecutek programmed) ECU ?

Got a letter this week, my BRZ is affected although they stated in the letter that they are waiting for parts to come in and would send another notice when they're ready for me to bring my car in.

there's no flashing involved, but i doubt they'll work on a boosted car.

Given it's a safety recall due to a manufacturing defect that is ordered by Transport Canada, I'm pretty sure they can't legally deny completing work.

If I or someone else was killed because of a known safety defect in my car, the lawyers would have a field day with it, both civilly and criminally.


In fact - given the extrapolation of the simple argument that I never would have modified the car if I knew they had built me an engine with a manufacturing defect, I'm pretty sure they can't legally charge me for any additional time that's required either.

I will be consulting with my lawyer before I even take my car in.

Retail value minus $3k-$4k. For a 2013, I'd guess somewhere around the low teens + tax for a Sport-Tech; depends what shape the body/paint is in, CarFax report, etc. Maybe a bit more given your low mileage.

Lots of pretty crazy deals on 2018s at the moment though.

please keep us updated, as i'm sure there are others in a similar situation.

No doubt selling privately would be better, but I still wonder what a dealer would offer, I'm thinking 7-8 grand. Even though cost is covered I would trade because of the recall.

Another reason is because mine's an FR-S it's supposed to be done at Toyota instead of a Subby shop where they would have so much more experience with their boxer engines. I'm going to call the local Subby dealer see if I can get it done there.

Personally, I think you may be over thinking the recall/repair thing. Replacing valve springs on a boxer isn't really any different than it would be in a 4 cam Toyota V-6 -- just a few less valves.

The only difference I see, is that the engine has to come out to do the repair whereas a V-6 with lots of room in the engine bay might be doable in-car.


As for the trade in price you mentioned - I think you're pretty close. I would say 8-10K tops. You may come across a deal where they give you more on paper for it, but any difference is being made up for in profit on the new car which you could otherwise negotiate off if you weren't trading in.

Valve Spring Recall Issue Resolved!!!
 

Happy New Year!!!
I wanted everyone to know that I took my FR-S in to my local Toyota dealership on November 26 for the valve spring recall situation.
Unfortunately, they didn’t have any info yet on the recall but they graciously gave me a rental car and covered the entire rental car cost.
Surprisingly, they called me today to tell me that my car was done and ready to be picked up.
It was about a $1300.00 dealer service charge (which will be billed to Toyota).

fyi - i'm getting this done at the end of the month at Tony Graham Toyota in Ottawa.

for BRZ guys in Ottawa, I was told that Ottos isnt even ready yet, so i might have lucked out with the FRS. They have 5 scheduled already including mine.

I'm waiting for pricing on add-ons but i'm looking at getting the spark plugs changed (no-brainer), di seals, and putting an STI motor mount in.

Can you come back and let us know what the prices are ? I was thinking of doing addons as well and hopefully changing TOB wouldnt cost an arm and leg since engine will be out

My car is scheduled to go in on the 14th. I'm planning on getting DI seals and sparkplugs, but only if the labor isn't crazy. I understand if they want to charge full labor, but I'm not doing it right now if that's the case. Once they give me a quote I'll share as well.

will do, though if the dealer wants to drop the transmission for that I'd imagine its quite an add.

Anyone in toronto booked their appointments yet with Subaru?? Can't decide which dealership to go to. Had terrible experiences at both Maple Subaru and Scarboro Subaru.

Seems like Toyota dealers are ahead of Subaru on this. None of the Subaru dealers have gotten direction on a fix yet so they probably won't take any cars in for the recall.

I ran my VIN on the Subaru website and it popped for the recall and directed me to make an appointment. I scheduled mine for next week since I will be out of town anyways, I'll call the service department tomorrow and see what they say about the whole thing.

try to talk to the manager. Based on what I've heard about Subaru dealers in Ottawa, I'd be surprised if they're ready to go next week for you.

I saw the parts list for the recall online, and I'm pretty sure I saw at least 2 of the DI seals being done as part of the recall - possibly all 4.

Maybe look into it a bit more, so you don't get into a situation where you are paying the dealer to do something they already have to do. Not saying they would pull this on you, but a lot of dealerships have bad reputations for a reason.

yup, not ready, not sure when they will be. Should be a fun wait.

I've spent some time going through this today and still have to go back to the Toyota shop manager for clarity.


Our engines have 8 fuel injectors - 4 port injectors and 4 direct injectors.


The problem with the Teflon injector shields occurs on the direct injectors.


The recall includes O-rings and grommets for the port injectors but not the direct injectors. The Teflon seal (SU003-00322) is not included.


From what I can tell, the recall repair doesn't even take the intake manifold off.

Anyone have the recall completed on their vehicle in the GTA? I'll check with my dealer if they have done any yet, but I definitely don't want my car to be the first guinea pig there ;)

Would love to get a recommendation on a dealership as well in west GTA (Mississauga).

Closest to me is Meadowvale but not sure how good their service is.

TIA :)