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extrashaky 09-26-2018 02:40 AM

It's not a boat
 
So don't drive it into the water. This is basically a "who did this?" post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoIizKYn...d=bkh41f7ipfjb

https://i.imgur.com/I3AMPK5.jpg

Spuds 09-26-2018 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 3137561)
So don't drive it into the water. This is basically a "who did this?" post.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoIizKYn...d=bkh41f7ipfjb

Huh, I would have thought the snorkel was above water where he stopped. I guess it was deeper before and then he sucked water and killed the engine.

Also, I doubt the car was there before the water lol. That caption makes me laugh.

humfrz 09-26-2018 02:50 AM

Ya reckon he drove into the water or the water came up to him?


humfrz

extrashaky 09-26-2018 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3137564)
Huh, I would have thought the snorkel was above water where he stopped. I guess it was deeper before and then he sucked water and killed the engine.

I suspect he was pushing a wave when his forward motion was arrested. The water might have been a little higher on the front while in motion.

Spuds 09-26-2018 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 3137567)
I suspect he was pushing a wave when his forward motion was arrested. The water might have been a little higher on the front while in motion.

Doh! That makes so much sense now that you say it.

extrashaky 09-26-2018 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3137566)
Ya reckon he drove into the water or the water came up to him?

He drove into it. I guarantee you he wouldn't have been parked right there.

BTW, this area is notorious for flooding. The photog in that photo is an old colleague from my days in TV news, and both of us have spent our share of time standing out in the rain in that neighborhood in the past. Many years ago the cemetery a little ways down from there flooded and floated a bunch of caskets out into the road and left them there when the water receded. It's a somewhat industrial area, and the trucks came through smashing the old wooden caskets, sending body parts everywhere. People were swerving to avoid bodies. I'm sure there are people who still have nightmares about it 40 years later.

I'd love to see that made into a "Mayhem" commercial. Or a J K Simmons "we covered it" commercial.

stevesnj 09-26-2018 11:45 AM

Proof if the car had more power it never would of gotten stuck.

8RZ 09-26-2018 11:55 AM

Like a good neighborrrrr....

ermax 09-26-2018 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3137565)
Huh, I would have thought the snorkel was above water where he stopped. I guess it was deeper before and then he sucked water and killed the engine.

Also, I doubt the car was there before the water lol. That caption makes me laugh.

I sucked water into my IS300 even though the snorkel was in almost the exact location as the FRS. In my case I made a turn in a parking lot into a lane that was completely under water. It was raining so hard and it with the lighting the standing water blended right into the pavement. As soon as I made the turn I hit the water and nailed the brakes and turned off the ignition but when I hit the brakes the brake dive dropped the nose enough for the water to rush over the hood and into the intake. Once resting the water was at about the same level as the car in that picture. I climbed out the window and pushed the car back up and out. Then I had it towed to the house where I pulled the plugs and intake and blew as much water out as I could. The car ran fine after that. Had I not killed the engine instantly it probably would have fully hydrolocked and done some damage.

extrashaky 09-26-2018 01:13 PM

That photog reports that the guy is a local in that area and should have known the road and the fact that it was a flood-prone area.

I drove my BRZ for over a year in New Orleans and throughout southern Louisiana when I first got it. I might be a little more cautious about flooded roads than people who have never lived on flat land at sea level. Street flooding was a daily occurrence in the summer. It becomes second nature to just... not... drive your low car through standing water.

My Jeep, though... I'll blast right through a lot of places I wouldn't chance on the BRZ. Water would have to reach the windshield before I'd get worried.

humfrz 09-26-2018 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3137644)
I sucked water into my IS300 even though the snorkel was in almost the exact location as the FRS. In my case I made a turn in a parking lot into a lane that was completely under water. It was raining so hard and it with the lighting the standing water blended right into the pavement. As soon as I made the turn I hit the water and nailed the brakes and turned off the ignition but when I hit the brakes the brake dive dropped the nose enough for the water to rush over the hood and into the intake. Once resting the water was at about the same level as the car in that picture. I climbed out the window and pushed the car back up and out. Then I had it towed to the house where I pulled the plugs and intake and blew as much water out as I could. The car ran fine after that. Had I not killed the engine instantly it probably would have fully hydrolocked and done some damage.

You pushed an IS300 uphill, while it was partially submerged in water …. :confused0068:

(jest ah messen wich ya - ;))


humfrz

ermax 09-26-2018 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3137696)
You pushed an IS300 uphill, while it was partially submerged in water …. :confused0068:

(jest ah messen wich ya - ;))


humfrz

Hey hey, the IS300 is actually fairly light (3250lbs) considering it has an iron block inline 6 in it. The water wasn't an issue, it wasn't like I was pushing it at 20mph. The incline was very gradual so it wasn't that bad and there was actually one guy who jumped out of his car to help.

fang_gt86 09-26-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 3137636)
Proof if the car had more power it never would of gotten stuck.

Yep, especially if it's turbocharged. It'll just suck in water and use it just like a methanol injection system.

Leonardo 09-26-2018 03:06 PM

I used to live on a country road that flooded every year. It varied in depth from a few inches to 2 foot of water. The part of the road that flooded was half mile long. My F350 would always make it through. I have taken my FR-S though water that was 4-6" deep a few times. The water only came up to my side skirts... Be careful out there!

humfrz 09-26-2018 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ermax (Post 3137723)
Hey hey, the IS300 is actually fairly light (3250lbs) considering it has an iron block inline 6 in it. The water wasn't an issue, it wasn't like I was pushing it at 20mph. The incline was very gradual so it wasn't that bad and there was actually one guy who jumped out of his car to help.

OK,OK, I got the picture - :D

But, was it snowing - and was it uphill both ways??

(still messen wich ya - ;))

Reminds me of back-in-the-day, when I was living in CT. It was a spring day and it had rained all night. I headed to work in my MGB at our corporate HQ, dressed in a suit, when I approached some standing water on a back road.

Yep, I thought I could make it, almost did, but then the engine quit running. A good ol boy, in a pickup stopped and helped me push it out of the water. I took off my T-shirt and used it to dry out the distributor cap and she fired up.

Walking around all day in squishy shoes reminded me of my Army days.


THE END


humfrz

Tcoat 09-26-2018 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj (Post 3137636)
Proof if the car had more power it never would of gotten stuck.

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com...copy.gif?w=320

stevesnj 09-26-2018 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3137933)

LOL...I was thinking of the Lotus submarine scene from James Bond when i first saw this.

Impureclient 09-27-2018 12:10 AM

^ I did that with my 87' Iroc-Z once where the water flowed up onto the hood and thinking about it now, I don't know how I made it through that.
Looks like that Garrardoo is in about 1' of water and pretty sure I was about 2' deep.

Stephen W. 09-27-2018 01:11 AM

You talk about snow and Jeeps and floods???
I took this photo on my way into work a couple of years ago. Our road was worse but this guy should have known not to park where he did.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=11502

extrashaky 09-27-2018 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen W. (Post 3138027)
You talk about snow and Jeeps and floods???
I took this photo on my way into work a couple of years ago. Our road was worse but this guy should have known not to park where he did.

Mine has a cowl intake (not a dorky schnorkel, mine's hidden) and a sealed coil rail seated directly on the plugs. Mine would probably start right up and drive out of that after the ice melted, depending on how water resistant my "waterproof" alternator really is. Even the axle vents are above that water line.

In fact, even the stock intake is probably above that water line. Water would get into the airbox, but the intake is on top of it pointing straight down so that water can't really run into it until the filter itself is submerged.

MrDinkleman 09-27-2018 08:55 PM

Won't the water blocking the exhaust kill the engine, eventually? I remember a guy in high school had one of those surplus army jeeps. Not only did it have a windshield mounted snorkel but if also had an extended exhaust pipe that ended above the windshield height...
Hmmmmm... I wonder if that is where those bosozoku in Japan got the idea for those high exhaust pipes... Must have been plenty of army jeeps in post-war Japan...

Sapphireho 09-27-2018 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDinkleman (Post 3138416)
Won't the water blocking the exhaust kill the engine, eventually? I remember a guy in high school had one of those surplus army jeeps. Not only did it have a windshield mounted snorkel but if also had an extended exhaust pipe that ended above the windshield height...
Hmmmmm... I wonder if that is where those bosozoku in Japan got the idea for those high exhaust pipes... Must have been plenty of army jeeps in post-war Japan...

My understanding is when the US started occupying Japan they didn't want to have to ship jeeps there, so they told Toyota to start making jeeps for our troups. That is why you have old Toyotas that look a lot like jeeps.

Spuds 09-27-2018 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDinkleman (Post 3138416)
Won't the water blocking the exhaust kill the engine, eventually? I remember a guy in high school had one of those surplus army jeeps. Not only did it have a windshield mounted snorkel but if also had an extended exhaust pipe that ended above the windshield height...
Hmmmmm... I wonder if that is where those bosozoku in Japan got the idea for those high exhaust pipes... Must have been plenty of army jeeps in post-war Japan...

Not if you keep the revs up.

Spuds 09-27-2018 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138420)
My understanding is when the US started occupying Japan they didn't want to have to ship jeeps there, so they told Toyota to start making jeeps for our troups. That is why you have old Toyotas that look a lot like jeeps.

Our troupes?
https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/f...y_-_h_2018.jpg

extrashaky 09-27-2018 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MrDinkleman (Post 3138416)
Won't the water blocking the exhaust kill the engine, eventually?

It shouldn't. As long as the engine is running, exhaust will continue to flow underwater and will bubble to the surface. It only stops if you actually obstruct the flow of exhaust, like with a rag or a potato. It used to be a popular prank when my dad was a kid to go stuff a potato in some other guy's exhaust and laugh when he tried to figure out what was wrong. If it's just water, the water will get out of the way.

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Originally Posted by MrDinkleman (Post 3138416)
I remember a guy in high school had one of those surplus army jeeps. Not only did it have a windshield mounted snorkel but if also had an extended exhaust pipe that ended above the windshield height...

Some of the parish and state emergency management trucks in Louisiana have those. Those are there not for while it's running, but for when you stop. If you stop an engine while the exhaust pipe is underwater, it can suck water back up into the muffler and catalytic converter. Even just sitting still when floodwater rises, it can run into the exhaust. In flood prone areas there may be times when emergency personnel want to be able to stop and get out without leaving their truck running or may need to use previously parked vehicles in areas that have been flooded.

I imagine the military Jeeps had them just to make sure they were always ready to go.

Sapphireho 09-27-2018 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3138427)

MASH was based on the Korean war.

Yea, typing on a phone sucks

Tcoat 09-27-2018 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138420)
My understanding is when the US started occupying Japan they didn't want to have to ship jeeps there, so they told Toyota to start making jeeps for our troups. That is why you have old Toyotas that look a lot like jeeps.

Nope. Urban legend at best. There were something like 300,000 Jeeps in the Pacific at the end of the war and transports were going back and forth to Japan by the hundreds. They didn't need to build any more Jeeps.
The real story is quite different:

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com...rip=info&w=600

Tcoat 09-27-2018 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138431)
MASH was based on the Korean war.

Yea, typing on a phone sucks

I served 6 months with a MASH unit (well the Canadian version) in Egypt in 79.
It was not nearly as fun as the show!
Other than the nurses.
The nurses were pretty much like on the show.

Sapphireho 09-27-2018 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3138435)
Nope. Urban legend at best. There were something like 300,000 Jeeps in the Pacific at the end of the war and transports were going back and forth to Japan by the hundreds. They didn't need to build any more Jeeps.
The real story is quite different:

https://thechive.files.wordpress.com...rip=info&w=600

Pacific yes, but not in japan. I like my story better.

Tcoat 09-27-2018 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138438)
Pacific yes, but not in japan. I like my story better.

Most of the non combat equipment left in the Pacific at the end of the war ended up in Japan. They had more Jeeps, trucks, bulldozers, graders, cranes, and so on then Japan had at the height of the war to help rebuild. A good portion of the surviving combat vehicles were just dumped in the ocean. I have a couple of good books on the subject around here someplace.

Sapphireho 09-27-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3138440)
Most of the non combat equipment left in the Pacific at the end of the war ended up in Japan. They had more Jeeps, trucks, bulldozers, graders, cranes, and so on then Japan had at the height of the war to help rebuild. A good portion of the surviving combat vehicles were just dumped in the ocean. I have a couple of good books on the subject around here someplace.

Well if course a guy who likes to walk rusty ships on vacations knows more about it than a guy going on complete hearsay.

I still like my story better.

Spuds 09-27-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138431)
MASH was based on the Korean war.

Yea, typing on a phone sucks

I know. Just the first thing that came to mind regarding troops and troupes.

Sapphireho 09-27-2018 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 3138445)
I know. Just the first thing that came to mind regarding troops and troupes.

Potato potato.

extrashaky 09-27-2018 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138420)
My understanding is when the US started occupying Japan they didn't want to have to ship jeeps there, so they told Toyota to start making jeeps for our troups. That is why you have old Toyotas that look a lot like jeeps.

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 3138435)
Nope. Urban legend at best. There were something like 300,000 Jeeps in the Pacific at the end of the war and transports were going back and forth to Japan by the hundreds. They didn't need to build any more Jeeps.

The US government placed an order with Toyota in 1950 to build 100 Jeeps on the Willys design for the Korean War. Toyota used that as a jump start for development of the Toyota BJ Jeep that they prototyped in 1951 and started production of in 1953. The BJ ultimately developed into the Land Cruiser.

ETA: The US government, Willys and Kaiser were all whores when it came to Jeep production. The early Willys Jeep was licensed to manufacturers in many different countries. Willys designs are still built in India by Mahindra. There were also designs that originated with Willys built in Brazil, Argentina and Spain. Kia is now building a Jeep truck for the South Korean military that is licensed from the Kaiser M715. Even Chrysler got into the act, licensing Jeeps to Chinese manufacturers.

Sapphireho 09-27-2018 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by extrashaky (Post 3138449)
The US government placed an order with Toyota in 1950 to build 100 Jeeps on the Willys design for the Korean War. Toyota used that as a jump start for development of the Toyota BJ Jeep that they prototyped in 1951 and started production of in 1953. The BJ ultimately developed into the Land Cruiser.

ETA: The US government, Willys and Kaiser were all whores when it came to Jeep production. The early Willys Jeep was licensed to manufacturers in many different countries. Willys designs are still built in India by Mahindra. There were also designs that originated with Willys built in Brazil, Argentina and Spain. Kia is now building a Jeep truck for the South Korean military that is licensed from the Kaiser M715. Even Chrysler got into the act, licensing Jeeps to Chinese manufacturers.

Hey, so I was kinda right!

A friend of mine has one of the 194x willys jeeps made by ford.

extrashaky 09-28-2018 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sapphireho (Post 3138453)
A friend of mine has one of the 194x willys jeeps made by ford.

If it hadn't been for Ford, there would be no Jeep name and no Jeep brand. We would probably be calling them "Mubs" instead, or maybe "Borcs" or "Bricks."

The Jeep we know started out as the Bantam Reconnaissance Car (BRC). Willys-Overland and American Bantam had both bid on the contract, and Willys lost because they couldn't meet the government deadline. Legend has it that the BRC design was laid down in blueprint in two days.

However, American Bantam was too small to be able to meet the production demands of the US government, so the government gave the BRC blueprints to Willys and Ford as a jump start to design their own prototypes. The Willys version was called the MB, for "Military model B."

The Ford version was the "GP," for "Government P platform," where the P platform differentiated it from other Fords. The guys who tested the prototypes (before it even had a Willys motor in it) initially pronounced GP as "geepee," then shortened it to "jeep."

Willys won the contract because the Ford engine was a turd. But Willys also couldn't meet the production demands of the US government, so Ford was given the Willys design and also began producing the GPW, for "Government P Willys."

If Ford hadn't been involved, we might have been stuck with the MB and would be calling it the Mub. But luckily the Ford Jeep nickname stuck.

If Willys hadn't been involved, we might have been stuck with the BRC and would be calling it the Borc. Or maybe the Brick. Or Brack. It would be funny for my other vehicle to be a Brick Cherokee. That would still be better than the Mub Cherokee.


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