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Seiryuu 09-05-2018 02:38 AM

Tuners like "Mugen" or "Spoon" for Subaru?
 
Pardon the title. I've been living in Honda world most of my life and this is my first Subaru so I am pretty new to the aftermarket scene here. So is there an aftermarket tuner/parts maker that specialize in Subaru (BRZ/86) in a similar fashion to Mugen and Spoon to Honda? What I'm kinda really looking for:

- JDM; premium brand
- Top notch fit and finish
- Might not exactly be best bang for your buck (usually is not) performance-wise
- Usually cost a shinier penny than other makers stuff (wish it wasn't)
- OEM quality
- long time reputation related to Subaru

From what I've researched, it seems like Fujitsubo is the most similar? Even then, they don't have that many parts for the twins.

My car is still stock but if I were to start modding, I want to prioritize fit and finish over straight up performance gains.

NLSP 09-05-2018 02:47 AM

Sounds like you're looking for OEM+/in-house tuner parts, in which case STI would be your best bet:


https://www.sti.jp/en/parts/subarubrz_zc/

yurikaze 09-05-2018 03:46 AM

You’re thinking more along these lines I think:
http://www.zerosports.co.jp/

http://www.zerosports.co.jp/Categories/1210

sugoi 09-05-2018 04:34 AM

http://www.prova.co.jp/index.html

re-animator 09-05-2018 02:36 PM

I think Tom's is the best. Though they are technically a Toyota tuning house/race team, they have a lot of specialized parts for the 86 platform. Really expensive though.

AnotherSlowAE86 09-05-2018 03:28 PM

I was a Honda guy back in the day. I think I know what you're getting at.

This car has a few OEM/in house/premium tuners, since the car was a joint Toyota and Subaru project. So you'll find some great parts from TRD, STi and TOM'S. But keep in mind this is a very popular platform, so all the other "heavy hitter" companies are out there making parts for the car. Cusco, Toda, HKS, Blitz, Tein and all the others have a line of products for the car.


Personally, being that I own the Subaru variant of the car, I'm especially interested in the STi accessories. The Japanese STi site, which was linked in a post above, shows the array of parts offered.

re-animator 09-05-2018 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AnotherSlowAE86 (Post 3129909)
I was a Honda guy back in the day. I think I know what you're getting at.

This car has a few OEM/in house/premium tuners, since the car was a joint Toyota and Subaru project. So you'll find some great parts from TRD, STi and TOM'S. But keep in mind this is a very popular platform, so all the other "heavy hitter" companies are out there making parts for the car. Cusco, Toda, HKS, Blitz, Tein and all the others have a line of products for the car.


Personally, being that I own the Subaru variant of the car, I'm especially interested in the STi accessories. The Japanese STi site, which was linked in a post above, shows the array of parts offered.

Shame about all the STI versions being so overpriced here in the US though and generally not being performance-focused. IIRC their springs are re-branded eibachs that cost $400 and the axle-back exhaust is like $1400

8RZ 09-05-2018 05:02 PM

If NISMO = Nissan Motorsports, then we should have a SUMO.


(Don't need to mention Honda since we've all heard that one lol).

Seiryuu 09-06-2018 06:22 AM

Thanks for some of the suggestions! I haven't heard of Prova or Zero Sports. Can't believe I forgot about TOM'S. Looking through their catalogs though, it seems like none of them are... comprehensive. Like TOM'S make an exhaust but not a header or intake. No "complete package". Same with Zero and Prova... plus their parts look even harder to find. There aren't even youtube videos of their parts.

I know about STi/TRD but since they are actually part of Subaru/Toyota (OEM), their stuff I feel is more on the aesthetic side with the exception of suspension. Like they don't have headers or exhausts that promotes HP gains. But yes, I would be looking at STi for bracing and sway bars. Many would be excused for thinking Mugen is officially Honda but they are their own entity just with really close ties with Honda. So I figured there must be some similar third party companies doing the same thing dedicated to Subies/Toyota.

It's not that I am specifically after that JDM bling factor but I've checked out all the popular/common brands like Tein, HKS, Invidia, Borla, Apexi, Nameless... and just like the parts they make for Honda, they don't quite make me go "This is it!" to drop hundreds of dollars on their parts.

86MLR 09-06-2018 07:25 AM

I wouldn't focus on how things look or some brand name, I would look at what you get for your money.

Once a exhaust is in all you are going to see are the tips, but, if you instead focus on materials used, engineering procedures, and the performance aspects your money will be better spent IMO.

Personally all the TRD and STI stuff is way overpriced bang for buck wise, usually minimal gains for maximum price, there's always the bragging rights, but that's not going to stop you from looking at other peoples tail lights, even though you may have paid more.

The hard bit is filtering though the lies and exaggerations of all the parts, both from the manufacturer as well as the customers.

Me, I look at what the local club racers use, the drivers in the pointy end of the field always have their parts sorted, and generally from multiple manufacturers for different components.

Anyway, enjoy your build and start a build thread, build threads are gold.

why? 09-06-2018 09:54 AM

Yea, for most makes there is not one anything, it is different part to part. Especially since Subaru hands its codes out like candy and you can tune the ecu for each individual part. It really means it depends on what you want to do with your car, and you can see dynos for pretty much anything you want to buy.

Vital 09-06-2018 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by re-animator (Post 3129942)
Shame about all the STI versions being so overpriced here in the US though and generally not being performance-focused. IIRC their springs are re-branded eibachs that cost $400 and the axle-back exhaust is like $1400

I think you're getting confused with the USDM TRD Spring being re-branded Eibach. STI Pink Springs are definitely not Eibachs...

Xxyion 09-06-2018 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 86MLR (Post 3130154)
I wouldn't focus on how things look or some brand name, I would look at what you get for your money.

Once a exhaust is in all you are going to see are the tips, but, if you instead focus on materials used, engineering procedures, and the performance aspects your money will be better spent IMO.

Personally all the TRD and STI stuff is way overpriced bang for buck wise, usually minimal gains for maximum price, there's always the bragging rights, but that's not going to stop you from looking at other peoples tail lights, even though you may have paid more.

The hard bit is filtering though the lies and exaggerations of all the parts, both from the manufacturer as well as the customers.

Me, I look at what the local club racers use, the drivers in the pointy end of the field always have their parts sorted, and generally from multiple manufacturers for different components.

Anyway, enjoy your build and start a build thread, build threads are gold.


This right here. Especially since there are so many reputable names building parts for this car the best thing is to look for best value per dollar.

GhostRai 09-07-2018 02:28 AM

Not quite completely oriented to the 86 platform, but companies like Blitz and Cusco make high quality aftermarket pieces for these cars

86MLR 09-07-2018 03:06 AM

Sometimes high quality and designed for a specific platform are two different things I've found.

Especially when it comes to valving and spring rates.

How many of these companies will even give a option or even recommendations on what you want or need.

How many ask you what is your intended use, daily, track, autocross, road conditions, tarmac or gravel?

If you are not asking these questions, or if the manufacturer isn't giving you these options you cannot get something fit for purpose.

Luckily there are manufacturers that cover these requirements and have done the testing and research to get you where you need to be.

Modifications should never be considered "generic".

chaoskaze 09-07-2018 03:57 AM

https://www.sti.jp/en/parts/subarubrz_zc/


your mileage may very.... They offer an improvement on feel of the car but that's all.

weederr33 09-07-2018 02:09 PM

Fujitsubo is another quality, oem-like, company. They make amazing products from what I've read. I'm all about HKS as I enjoy the sound of their R-Spec exhaust set up. So for now my car's theme is HKS & STI.

Jordan Silveira 09-08-2018 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3130707)
Fujitsubo is another quality, oem-like, company. They make amazing products from what I've read. I'm all about HKS as I enjoy the sound of their R-Spec exhaust set up. So for now my car's theme is HKS & STI.

Thanks for posting this as I feel like people are sleeping on Fuji. I mean after all, Fuji is contracted to make exhausts for OE's like Subaru with the STI axleback and others such as various Nissan vehicles.

Granted I'll be the first to admit I am most certainly biased towards Fuji seeing as how I'm running their parts from header all the way back to the midpipe. I'm honest though so while I may be biased I'll give my honest opinion. I think the quality of their parts speak for themselves. The welds are perfection. The construction and workmanship looks every bit OEM but at the same time, there prices are quite astronomical and for me having their header, op, and fp, I should have and should still feel more of a difference then I ever did/have. As a matter of fact, I'd say Fuji exemplifies modest and marginal refinement on an already well built platform.

Anyways, OP was looking for a company that provides quality parts and provides a whole exhaust setup. Fuji is your company OP. They sell their SuperEX header and op together. dual resonated front pipe, and Authorize R catback (midpipe to muffler). They're you go! Enjoi!

weederr33 09-08-2018 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan Silveira (Post 3131013)
Thanks for posting this as I feel like people are sleeping on Fuji. I mean after all, Fuji is contracted to make exhausts for OE's like Subaru with the STI axleback and others such as various Nissan vehicles.

Granted I'll be the first to admit I am most certainly biased towards Fuji seeing as how I'm running their parts from header all the way back to the midpipe. I'm honest though so while I may be biased I'll give my honest opinion. I think the quality of their parts speak for themselves. The welds are perfection. The construction and workmanship looks every bit OEM but at the same time, there prices are quite astronomical and for me having their header, op, and fp, I should have and should still feel more of a difference then I ever did/have. As a matter of fact, I'd say Fuji exemplifies modest and marginal refinement on an already well built platform.

Anyways, OP was looking for a company that provides quality parts and provides a whole exhaust setup. Fuji is your company OP. They sell their SuperEX header and op together. dual resonated front pipe, and Authorize R catback (midpipe to muffler). They're you go! Enjoi!

I read they were working on a cattless header, catted/resonated frontpipe combo like Apexi and HKS. Whatever happened to that? Because I couldn't find more info, I bought the HKS set up instead.

BRZ RN 09-08-2018 12:13 PM

There was a subframe stabilizer from spoon for the twins
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...89af602a04.png


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radroach 09-08-2018 12:24 PM

Showa tuning made the OE strut for FR-S/BRZ before they switched to a new manufacturer. They also made struts for STi. Since they've made an improved design similar to the tS / TRD strut design, I'd consider them as an OE+.

Jordan Silveira 09-08-2018 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3131042)
I read they were working on a cattless header, catted/resonated frontpipe combo like Apexi and HKS. Whatever happened to that? Because I couldn't find more info, I bought the HKS set up instead.

I saw that one too. I believe it's probably still in the works but Mav would know better than I. He's got some connections to Fuji that I just don't have. I wouldn't hold your breath though unless you're Mr. Money bags. The SuperEX header alone will run you 2500-3000. The Authorize R was 1200-1500 if I recall. So their new system will probably be well over 3500.


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