Don't lose hope!
 

So we just saw a prototype that resembles the MKII model.

MKI debuted at TAS. (Japan)
MKII debuted at GAS. (Europe)
FRS debuted at NYAS. (USA)

Maybe the prototype was made for the Europeans? (Complies with EU which wee see in the hood level)
Maybe we will see a derivative from the FRS concept? (Different automotive laws so we could get the low hood)
Why would they show us the FRS and give us the MKII?

The point of this post is that there could be a US only model of the FRS and everyone else will get the MKII body style!

Both model will share the same platform but we will get the edgy, risky lines of the FRS :happyanim:

But why would Toyota produce two different body styles for the same car it would cost too much money

Exactly. Doesn't make sense from a financial point of view.

I believe it's already been discussed that the FRS that debuted in New York was a joint effort with 5 Axis and Toyota to show how the MKII will look like from a tuners perspective.

The prototype that Hachi posted is more than likely the actual model that we'll be seeing soon.

On the other hand the mule we're seeing could possibly be the subie version instead of the Toyota/SCION version so there is some hope:thumbup: but considering that the license plate resembles many of Toyota's past mule cars plates it may also be hopeless:thumbdown:

Is there an official source for that?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/auto-sho...e-axis-concept



Also, go to: http://www.fiveaxis.net/ then go to portfolio>Scion> FR-S concept

Honda did it with the civic.

Production numbers for a econobox Civic don't compare on scale to a sports coupe.

Everyone raved about the MKII when it came out, so can Toyota really keep up with our demands? The MKIII would be a totally different car, given it's body style.

Not sure I would say everyone raved about the Mk2. There were many that liked the Mk1 better (and still do).

Yup, but it was mostly because the car wasn't "plain enough" or "clean". I don't even know how people can judge this car with all the camo on it.

Yeah I agree. I personally like the Mk1 better than the Mk2. But if the Mk2 is what Toyota/Subaru decides to offer at low to mid $20k range, with 170-200hp, fun to drive, great gas mileage, LSD, nice interior, great handling...etc. I would still buy it. Sure the looks could be better, but at this point they are good enough for me for a car this price.

:word: I want something that will look sleek like the Z, but if it was 10K less, then I could settle for this as well.

Where is the Toyota quote that the FR-S was meant to be like what the MkII would look like from a tuners perspective?

That you might need to wait for RRnold to get you. I thought you wanted info on this being a 5Axis project with Toyota. I will see if I can find something for you regarding the later part.

Hey if 5 Axis makes a bodykit so the FR-S can look like the concept I'd be more than happy :)

Ok not sure if this is what RRnold meant, but I found this from Jack Hollis, Vice President, Scion :

I new hood would make a huge difference. Bumper kit too.

Toyota and Subaru already have plants here in America.

Make the sheet metal here with parts shipped from Japan. (Engine, chassis, etc)

Take a look at the Honda Accord before they brought it over as the TSX.
We got the big V6/I4 American Accord while Japan and Europe got the Euro Accord which was smaller with a four banger.

Damn ya'll... making me do work!! One of you owe me a beer! :bellyroll:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...t=axis&page=32

Okay, so no one obviously was expecting the diffuser or the brakes or the bumpers. That kind of stuff five axis probably did. That doesn't mean the overall body shape isn't going to remain.

I would throw out the aggressive fenders as well for the production version.

We also will get plain looking bumper which resembles the one in the concept. LOL
EDIT: I think there are some lines from the concept on the prototype, or maybe i'm not optimistic?

The Civic isn't totally different sheet metal though. The differences between USDM and JDM are the front fenders, hood, front bumper, grill, tail lights, trunk. Rear bumper is slightly different but interchangeable.

So chances are you're not going to get a totally different body for the FRS. The profile will probably be the same, and the sheet metal would likely be the same or very similar. At best bumpers, headlights 'n such could be different, but I don't see why they'd do that.

Did you expect these to stay too?
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...t_Misc_013.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...t_Misc_012.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...t_Misc_010.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...t_Misc_007.jpg
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...t_Misc_006.jpg

i REALLY hope the mule we're seeing will not be the final production version in the us b/c it's looks a lot more like the mkII than it does the FRS. WHAT THE HECK? did toyota not realize that most people didn't really like the mkII, but that everyone was drooling over the FRS? man. seriously, i hope toyota doesn't disappoint us.

although it's very unlikely toyota would be coming out with two separate bodies for the us market and the markets in the rest of the world, i sure hope that will be the case... or that the mule was a subie version like everyone else has said

On all these pics, what I expect the remain is the badge. :bellyroll::bellyroll:
I think the weld area where the front badge located will stay there. I also expected the headlight to remain the same shape( lose the gimmick LED and showcar light for regular projector). Is that too much, Ichi?

They can take away the vents but give me the lines!

Since it's a low production unit, it will be made in Japan. The plants in Japan are capable in pumping out multiple vehicles at once (3-6 different ones per plant, and they can build a Crown next to a Estima w/o issue) while the US plants are specialized for specific vehicles. I think the newest plant they are building in the US will be able to be versatile like the most modern plants in Japan, but it's definitely not happening soon.

iirc when we did MkI vs MkII vote, didn't MkII win?

Hm... not sure bout the headlight shape. IDK either and can't guarantee anything.

Hm... that's gonna be hard, if they take away the vents near the hood, they gotta raise the front, so it doesn't look weird.

Over all, it's kinda funny to see how much thumbs down we're getting. It's kinda funny to see ppl are not figuring out why they're using MkII style for the test run. Now, these are my speculation.

1. Since MkI had a bit of complain/feedback from the driver they had to modify the chassis/pillar and they fixed it w MkII
2. Now, FR-S is shown, MkII became older model/concept. Which equal to use em as test car. Instead of welded parts together Impreza test car to figure how it actually drive.
3. MkI had 2 different designs: regular NA ver & Turbo ver (g's). Where's MkII's second ver? (well I guess, that can be said for MkIII).
4. Instead of using FiveAxis designed overdone FR-S as test car at the nur, it's reasonable to use MkII to finalize suspension/brake/engine/tranny/etc setup. Be honest here, MkIII looks awesome, but there's no way, that thing gonna be used as test car.
5. Lastly, prob did it for hell of it. :)

^^Now you're showing us some clues. LOL
That could be like what you said because FT-86 II debuted in EU and this car is tested in EU. They probably use the very similar body to the final car to test the aerodynamic and what not.

I hope toyota sticks with the II vs the FRS scion, thats a selling point alone!

+1

I really liked the Five Axis version a lot but we can't really expect too much of that concept to merge into the final production; wide body fenders, lood and door lines, hood vents, side skirts, lower fender ducts, flat trunk etc.

It seemed like a joint effort between the 2 and thats it.

as long as it looks more angry than derpy, I'm good

^ Never saw that sculpted photo. Nice find!

^It's on the fiveaxis site

check the poll again, MkI vs MkII vs FRS. the FRS is winning by a LANDSLIDE.

Yes, I know FR-S won. I was talking bout MkI vs MkII

My vote goes for FRS. I like the body likes but not intrigued by the vents.