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Miniata 07-27-2012 04:26 PM

So many posts?
 
Is it really necessary to start so many new threads with just a pic of a car you found online with another set of aftermarket wheels? Couldn't they all go in one thread so as not to pollute the forums with so many new threads?

DarrenDriven 07-27-2012 06:15 PM

Here is how it works. Every wheel combo gets its own topic so that a discussion can be had about tires, fitment, price, colors, availability, etc. Once the topic is created it gets listed in the Wheel Directory so that it can be referenced for years to come. If nobody wants/needs to discuss that wheel then the topic will filter down the page and get lost in the archives until it gets resurrected down the road.

If people post unrelated comments in the topic then it stays at the top of the page, so I have split your comment off so that it doesn't cause an irrelevant discussion that someone will have to read when they are researching that wheel at some point.

I am open to suggestions from all as to how to improve this system. I think it is working pretty good and allows for a simple, quick research tool for those who want to buy wheels -- but I'm sure that there are some ideas that might make it even better. Let's hear them!

Khyron686 07-27-2012 09:56 PM

I like the system - as I'm only interested in certain sizes/weights rather than just scrolling through pages and pages. As mentioned, most will filter off into the archives to be found by searching/lurkers.

BRAWL 07-27-2012 10:48 PM

Wheel weights and style interest me most and the wheel directory is pure awesome. My mod friend at aus300zx is 'borrowing' the idea for their forum ;)

Miniata 07-28-2012 12:16 AM

Wow, so there will be a new thread for every possible wheel (and tire?) that fits the BRZ/FRS? Amazing. Simply amazing.

Mitch 07-28-2012 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Miniata (Post 343536)
Wow, so there will be a new thread for every possible wheel (and tire?) that fits the BRZ/FRS? Amazing. Simply amazing.

After threads run their course they fall off the main page where can never bother you ever again. Threads of note get linked in the directory to make them easier to find. I don't understand why this bothers you. It's not like every new thread is printed out, bound, and mailed to each active member of the forum. If the forum needs more space, they'll archive old threads.

#87 07-28-2012 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miniata (Post 343536)
Wow, so there will be a new thread for every possible wheel (and tire?) that fits the BRZ/FRS? Amazing. Simply amazing.

You sound like an amazingly fun person. Simply amazing.


n2oinferno 07-28-2012 12:57 AM

I think a directory with links to the original post makes sense and is a great idea, but quoting the picture to create a new thread and then linking from the directory to the new thread seems like clutter to me. Why not just link to the original picture, or if you really feel the need to create a thread for every wheel/tire combo, move that post to its own new thread without duplicating posts? Surely any discussion about said picture could take place in the thread it was originally posted in, couldn't it?

edit: Are both threads, original and newly created, being monitored for comments to be combined into one comment thread as well? Otherwise you possibly have two discussions on the same topic.

DarrenDriven 07-28-2012 02:01 AM

The reason that I made new topics for each one is because the original poster put 5-6 different wheels into a single reply for the main Wheel Directory. If I just link to that particular post, once someone replies it could end up pages after the original photo was posted and just cause confusion. If the wheel gets its own topic (and is listed in the Wheel Directory, of course) then that topic will contain only questions and answers relevant to that wheel which will make it a useful topic in the long run. If nobody ever replies then it will just sink below the surface of the forum and won't bother anyone ever again.

This has already come in useful when someone has installed identical wheels as another member. They can just post in the same topic and then there are two people ready to answer questions pertaining to that particular wheel combo.

In the long run this will make for an easier, cleaner wheel forum -- it's just while things are blowing up that it will be a little chaotic because EVERY wheel combination is essentially a new one that needs to be listed in the Wheel Directory and get its own topic. Come back in a few months and you will be amazed at how nice the Wheel Directory will be!

Mr. Sociable 07-28-2012 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DarrenDriven (Post 342904)
Here is how it works. Every wheel combo gets its own topic so that a discussion can be had about tires, fitment, price, colors, availability, etc. Once the topic is created it gets listed in the Wheel Directory so that it can be referenced for years to come. If nobody wants/needs to discuss that wheel then the topic will filter down the page and get lost in the archives until it gets resurrected down the road.

If people post unrelated comments in the topic then it stays at the top of the page, so I have split your comment off so that it doesn't cause an irrelevant discussion that someone will have to read when they are researching that wheel at some point.

I am open to suggestions from all as to how to improve this system. I think it is working pretty good and allows for a simple, quick research tool for those who want to buy wheels -- but I'm sure that there are some ideas that might make it even better. Let's hear them!

Why not brand specific threads with the wheels posted in there? Limits clutter in the forum and you can search inside of a thread for whatever specific model or fitment you want.

ex) The Enkei Wheel Thread, The Volk/Rays Wheel Thread, etc


That's how it's (mostly) done on NASIOC and I really enjoy it. Helps to give less popular/rare wheels a shot at being seen. The way it's currently being done a non-popular wheel thread will never be bumped, ever.

Khyron686 07-28-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sociable (Post 343835)
ex) The Enkei Wheel Thread, The Volk/Rays Wheel Thread, etc

That's how it's (mostly) done on NASIOC and I really enjoy it. Helps to give less popular/rare wheels a shot at being seen. The way it's currently being done a non-popular wheel thread will never be bumped, ever.

I never got that method. I'm looking for light <20 lbs more-than-5 spoke 17 inch wheels in silver or graphite. Don't care which brand. Brand threads are for fans or people who already have picked what they're after IMO.

Mr. Sociable 07-28-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Khyron686 (Post 344209)
I never got that method. I'm looking for light <20 lbs more-than-5 spoke 17 inch wheels in silver or graphite. Don't care which brand. Brand threads are for fans or people who already have picked what they're after IMO.

How are you going to find those with the thread system we currently have? AFAIK none of them have weight/spoke count. Most don't have weight, some don't even have color/specs. Without those, the search function is useless. At least with the brand thread method you can zero in on brands that you know make quality wheels and go from there.

Mr. Mcoupe 07-28-2012 01:21 PM

Yes.

DarrenDriven 07-28-2012 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Sociable (Post 344220)
How are you going to find those with the thread system we currently have? AFAIK none of them have weight/spoke count. Most don't have weight, some don't even have color/specs. Without those, the search function is useless. At least with the brand thread method you can zero in on brands that you know make quality wheels and go from there.

Ummm... pretty easily. Every single topic has a photo thumbnail in the Wheel Directory so you can easily choose the wheel style (spokes, color, etc) from the photos. If we know the weight it is listed as well. I guess I could actually write the number of spokes and color in the link, but if there is a photo then what is the point of that extra work?

For right now we have a member ( @quik1987 ) who is scouring the JDM interweb archives finding wheel combos in bulk and posting them. This is causing a lot of noise in the forum FOR THE MOMENT, but it's good noise... I mean, if you bought an FR-S or a BRZ and you have a problem looking at lots of cool JDM wheel photos then you probably shouldn't be here, haha. Once he runs out of archives things will get quiet again.

TheRipler 07-28-2012 07:39 PM

First, I like the wheel directory, and appreciate the work put into it.

I browse by new posts most of the time, since it covers interesting topics across the various forums. I was actually going to report DarrenDriven, since I had incorrectly assumed they were just more annoying vendor threads.

Hope you are right that it will let off eventually, because other than the wheel directory itself, there isn't much in this forum that appears useful at first glance.

Khyron686 07-28-2012 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Sociable (Post 344220)
How are you going to find those with the thread system we currently have? AFAIK none of them have weight/spoke count. Most don't have weight, some don't even have color/specs. Without those, the search function is useless. At least with the brand thread method you can zero in on brands that you know make quality wheels and go from there.

As mentioned I'd just look at the index with the pictures, one looks good click on it for all the details, whups way too heavy back to the index. Once the weight is listed (even approx) that would be amazing - but hell even getting the weight off some of the manufacturers homepages is like pulling teeth.

Chewie4299 07-29-2012 03:30 AM

The current method being used doesn't bother me at all. As a matter of fact in my entire interw3b experience I've never once found myself bothered, annoyed, inconvenienced, or offended by too many topics. Perhaps that's just because I'm one of the rare few that actually realize I don't have to read the ones I don't want to.

Must be that most forum members actually do read every single topic. I apologize if not following suit makes me a lesser person. Must be I'm lazy.


At any rate, if complaints flow in and an alternative is necessary then how about a wheel sub forum within this sub forum entitled Wheel Directory. The wheel directory thread would be stickied at the top and all the individual wheel threads would be put there. Discussion on a particular wheel would happen in it's own thread.

This would keep the myriad wheel threads out of sight of those with a compulsory reading problem.

Edit: I wanted to add that complaining about having to read too many threads is like holding your hand over a lit candle and complaining that it shouldn't be sitting there below your hand because it's burning your skin.

Edit 2: I want to ship some of these compulsory readers and entire set of encyclopedias and some phone books.

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Capt Canuck 07-29-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khyron686 (Post 344209)
I never got that method. I'm looking for light <20 lbs more-than-5 spoke 17 inch wheels in silver or graphite. Don't care which brand. Brand threads are for fans or people who already have picked what they're after IMO.

If this site's method doesn't work for you the solution is simple. Then go to tirerack.com and use their search facets to look at FRS/BRZ wheels by weight, finish, size.

DarrenDriven 07-29-2012 03:52 AM

Man, feelin the love, guys.

FlipFRS 07-29-2012 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarrenDriven (Post 345346)
Man, feelin the love, guys.

Dont worry man, All the stuff you've been posting has been super helpful to me and I'm sure to other people as well. With the suspension stuff and all the wheel threads :thumbsup: . Thanks for putting all the time into it! :thanks:

TuxedoCartman 07-29-2012 06:17 AM

DarrenDriven, your system works, and your efforts are appreciated.

What gets me, though, are the people who seem utterly incapable in this day and age of finding information on their own. It's called Google, children, and it's right there at the top of most browsers anymore. Just put in the name of the wheel you're curious about, the word "weight", and click enter. 99% of the time, you'll get your wheel's weight in the first ten results.

Good god, most of you would have been utterly incapable of functioning, and possibly eaten by wild dogs, back in the days of encyclopedias and phone books, before the Internet really got going. :slap:

djdnz 07-29-2012 11:18 AM

I think it's great, I haven't been on a forum where someone has invested so much effort compiling something so useful. With that said, I think we should not be posting images that are photoshopped as references. Also, wheels that are extremely rare and difficult to track down aren't of much use to anyone. So I would leave the obscure ones for someone else to post if they actually have them on their car.

quik1987 07-29-2012 03:03 PM

I think a way to keep the forum more organized and streamlined would be to have threads by wheel style, rather than a different thread for every single size and offset.

ex:
Enkei RSM9

Volk Racing TE37

Also for those concerned with weight, a Top 10 known weight would be useful

Maybe top 5 per size 16/17/18/19

I tried to make a thread dedicated to wheel weight, but weights are hard to find.

DarrenDriven 07-29-2012 04:10 PM

quik, I hear ya... but many of these topics are posted by the vehicle owners... and they deserve their own topic. I feel that this has to be consistent... so we either need to combine all topics about a certain wheel (angering the owner who posts his own topic) or have a different topic for each combo. It will get really confusing if we try to do both, I think.

I'm already starting to get duplicate model/size/offset info that I am posting in the appropriate topics as replies, so as time goes on this will happen more and more often and result in fewer brand new topics.

n2oinferno 07-30-2012 12:30 AM

I like the idea of a subforum specifically for the wheel threads.

cyde01 07-31-2012 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Miniata (Post 343536)
Wow, so there will be a new thread for every possible wheel (and tire?) that fits the BRZ/FRS? Amazing. Simply amazing.

This really takes the "haters gonna hate" saying to a whole 'nother level. I happen to like and really appreciate the current system. Would you rather scrounge through a 500 page long monster thread looking for offset and fitment info? Seriously, the things that people will find to complain about. Amazing, simply amazing is right.

n2oinferno 08-02-2012 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cyde01 (Post 349044)
This really takes the "haters gonna hate" saying to a whole 'nother level. I happen to like and really appreciate the current system. Would you rather scrounge through a 500 page long monster thread looking for offset and fitment info? Seriously, the things that people will find to complain about. Amazing, simply amazing is right.

I think people are reading into this wrong and misconstruing what he says. I'm pretty sure he's not saying that the wheel directory should be taken down, which is what has the information you want, but that each picture doesn't need its own thread. It clutters up the subforum. Hence my suggestion above that if they really do want to keep this system with a thread for each picture, they should be in their own dedicated subforum.


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