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steel86gt 08-10-2018 08:52 PM

Road & Track: Top 10 Coolest looking engines (Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ made top 10!)
 
Just browsing their website and was surprised our twins made the top 10 coolest looking engines made today! Pretty cool to be considered on this list that is mainly composed of super cars such as the GTR, Aventador, Regera, Ferrari, Bugatti....etc.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...oking-engines/

:w00t::cheers::burnrubber:

only wished they would have used a picture from the current manual transmission MY17+ with the red manifold however....

humfrz 08-10-2018 09:20 PM

"Easy to access everything" - hmmm - except the spark plugs? -;)


humfrz

Mr.ac 08-10-2018 09:34 PM

Coolest? I say bullshit!
Mediocre at best. Lame ass opinion piece on a motor sport magazine. Just my to cents.

HKz 08-10-2018 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3120286)
Coolest? I say bullshit!
Mediocre at best. Lame ass opinion piece on a motor sport magazine. Just my to cents.


what other car has a better engine bay per dollar value? Considering most modern engine bays are littered with plastic covers and wiring, the 86's bay is quite nice in comparison..

Mr.ac 08-10-2018 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKz (Post 3120305)
what other car has a better engine bay per dollar value? Considering most modern engine bays are littered with plastic covers and wiring, the 86's bay is quite nice in comparison..

MR2 Turbo, LSx, MRS/Louts, etc..
Your google-fu is weak.

rcm47 08-10-2018 11:17 PM

This what happens when other cars get the entire engine bay covered with basically a plastic hood under the real hood. For example the new Supra

HKz 08-10-2018 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3120314)
MR2 Turbo, LSx, MRS/Louts, etc..
Your google-fu is weak.


..and your comprehension-fu is weak, that list would be completely different if it included past cars. The list only includes new cars.

Stephen W. 08-10-2018 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3120286)
Coolest? I say bullshit!
Mediocre at best. Lame ass opinion piece on a motor sport magazine. Just my to cents.



I agree! At least they could have used better photos showing just the engine. Instead, over half are of the engine bay with most of the goodness covered by plastic.


No, that article is a giant FAIL!

humfrz 08-11-2018 01:41 AM

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I'm just old fashioned - :sigh:


humfrz

FRSBRZGT86FAN 08-11-2018 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.ac (Post 3120286)
Coolest? I say bullshit!
Mediocre at best. Lame ass opinion piece on a motor sport magazine. Just my to cents.


two* cents


And Coolest looking not performing :lol: there lame reasoning was easy access to everything.


As for performance when it came out its still pretty good 100 hp per liter and decent mpg and high compression put it high on wards 10 best engines in the year it came out though.

nikitopo 08-11-2018 02:22 AM

I was reading lately about the difficulty to minimize the height of the engine and the different components. The target was to place the engine as lower and back to the driver as possible. Normally, on a mass produced engine the specification accuracy of a component can be in the range of 0.1mm. So, a component of 10mm is OK to be 10.1mm. This was changed on the particular engine to something like 10.00001mm. Additionally, the minimum spacing between parts was changed to just 2mm. So, it wasn't that easy to achieve the following:

https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/...026/907/38.jpg


Source: https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1026907.html

Mr.ac 08-11-2018 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 3120362)
two* cents


And Coolest looking not performing :lol: there lame reasoning was easy access to everything.

Bullshit conformed. Clearly that idiot writer has never worked on a car his whole life.

As humfrz said "spark plugs".

Stephen W. 08-11-2018 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 3120357)
I'm just old fashioned - :sigh:


humfrz



I hear you humfrz ol' chap. I prefer mine original.


http://image.superchevy.com/f/101862...history%2b.jpg

extrashaky 08-11-2018 11:36 AM

Apparently that writer thinks that hiding engines under plastic covers makes them look cool. There are much cooler-looking engines out there.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZmd7k33JWE[/ame]

extrashaky 08-11-2018 11:39 AM

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...l_J_engine.JPG

extrashaky 08-11-2018 11:44 AM

https://cochesclasicosdehoy.files.wo...ter-engine.jpg

RToyo86 08-11-2018 11:44 AM

Under article tag headline
Here are some of the greatest-looking engines you can buy right now


FA20 Certainly isn't amazing looking, but it's refreshing to open the engine bay and actually see the engine rather than plastic BS.

nikitopo 08-11-2018 11:53 AM

I don't know. I've seen many engine swaps in our cars and they look like garbage. Same for many supercharger or turbo setups. Not to mention the nonsense of putting extra weight on the top of the engine (e.g., with positive displacement superchargers), when the manufacturer tried hard to place the engine so low in the car. In general, it is very difficult to do work in the engine bay and look like OEM.

mrg666 08-11-2018 11:57 AM

I love the FA20 engine and how easy it is to modify/work on it and how good it performs now. I think it deserves to be in that list. Not my two cents, thousands of dollars on engine mods, countless hours of work, and thousands of miles with those mods ;)

extrashaky 08-11-2018 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RToyo86 (Post 3120430)
Under article tag headline
Here are some of the greatest-looking engines you can buy right now

Except that you can't buy the Singer and Williams's Dynamics and Lightweighting Study Porsches right now, so that's out the window.

nikitopo 08-11-2018 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RToyo86 (Post 3120430)

FA20 Certainly isn't amazing looking, but it's refreshing to open the engine bay and actually see the engine rather than plastic BS.

So simple and easy to access everything and if I can add myself very low in the engine bay. Almost like touching the road ...

weederr33 08-11-2018 12:40 PM

I think the '17+ FA20 looks pretty cool with the new manifold. If we are going purely off aesthetics.

Leonardo 08-11-2018 01:31 PM

I have had a couple cars that I thought the engine looked cool. S2000, Acura legend coupe, Ford SHO (Yamaha engine)

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/pict...ictureid=10333

https://i.imgflip.com/2fp4au.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

https://i.imgflip.com/2fp4d0.jpgvia Imgflip Meme Generator

new2subaru 08-11-2018 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3120434)
I don't know. I've seen many engine swaps in our cars and they look like garbage. Same for many supercharger or turbo setups. Not to mention the nonsense of putting extra weight on the top of the engine (e.g., with positive displacement superchargers), when the manufacturer tried hard to place the engine so low in the car. In general, it is very difficult to do work in the engine bay and look like OEM.


I think Vortech nailed it


https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/07...g?v=1490829679

Ultramaroon 08-11-2018 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new2subaru (Post 3120575)
I think Vortech nailed it.

There are some nagging flaws in execution that I find extremely annoying.

1. The filter mount is supposed to also act as the divider between the clean and dirty sides of the airbox. Unfortunately, the seal quickly falls apart allowing LOTS of dirty air through. The first time I saw one, I was shocked to see the condition of the leading edge of the compressor blades.

2. The bellows/boot that joins the airbox to the compressor is unbelievably lame. The business side of the hose clamp included with the kit interferes with the folded pattern of the boot. Actually scrubs against it.

3. The pipe just upstream of the throttle body rubs against the alternator bracket.


On the other hand, I agree that they nailed it both aesthetically, and I hope with their wet sump planetary gearbox. I don't know how well they hold up long term but I want the design to be as stout as it looks. Gorgeous.

stevesnj 08-11-2018 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leonardo (Post 3120468)
Ford SHO (Yamaha engine)

Yamaha makes some of the best performance engines on the planet.

stevesnj 08-11-2018 10:56 PM

My fav's

BRM H16

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...H16_engine.jpg

Buick Turbo V6 (Grand National, GNX)

https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/fl01...?1479489494000

new2subaru 08-12-2018 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3120591)
There are some nagging flaws in execution that I find extremely annoying.

1. The filter mount is supposed to also act as the divider between the clean and dirty sides of the airbox. Unfortunately, the seal quickly falls apart allowing LOTS of dirty air through. The first time I saw one, I was shocked to see the condition of the leading edge of the compressor blades.

2. The bellows/boot that joins the airbox to the compressor is unbelievably lame. The business side of the hose clamp included with the kit interferes with the folded pattern of the boot. Actually scrubs against it.

3. The pipe just upstream of the throttle body rubs against the alternator bracket.


On the other hand, I agree that they nailed it both aesthetically, and I hope with their wet sump planetary gearbox. I don't know how well they hold up long term but I want the design to be as stout as it looks. Gorgeous.


Debbie Downer, eh...:D


Thanks for the heads up, Ultra. This is the first I've heard of these issues except #3 and heard that it was fixed.

Ultramaroon 08-12-2018 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new2subaru (Post 3120606)
Debbie Downer, eh...:D


Thanks for the heads up, Ultra. This is the first I've heard of these issues except #3 and heard that it was fixed.

If I was in the market, I would install one without hesitation and would just keep an eye on those areas.

nikitopo 08-12-2018 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weederr33 (Post 3120455)
I think the '17+ FA20 looks pretty cool with the new manifold. If we are going purely off aesthetics.

Yes the new intake manifold looks nice. How does it cope with the dirt?

mrg666 08-12-2018 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by new2subaru (Post 3120575)
I think Vortech nailed it


I agree Vortech looks very OEM. I also like how JRSC looks. Not as much plastic covers and black coating but the simplicity is genius. Adding the supercharger opened space in the engine bay! I have replaced the crank pulley without removing the compressor and air filter, for example.

https://jacksonracing.com/jr-media/u...yFRSLowres.jpg

weederr33 08-12-2018 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3120646)
Yes the new intake manifold looks nice. How does it cope with the dirt?

It loves dirt but since it's red, it doesn't show it unless it's really dirty.

bcj 08-12-2018 12:08 PM

http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...Engine_Web.jpg

humfrz 08-12-2018 02:55 PM

WOW! I'd almost forgot about that OHV horizontally-opposed, six-cylinder engine.

:thumbsup:


humfrz

mkodama 08-12-2018 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikitopo (Post 3120363)
I was reading lately about the difficulty to minimize the height of the engine and the different components. The target was to place the engine as lower and back to the driver as possible. Normally, on a mass produced engine the specification accuracy of a component can be in the range of 0.1mm. So, a component of 10mm is OK to be 10.1mm. This was changed on the particular engine to something like 10.00001mm. Additionally, the minimum spacing between parts was changed to just 2mm. So, it wasn't that easy to achieve the following:

https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/img/...026/907/38.jpg


Source: https://car.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1026907.html

The accuracy comment is false, but I’ll attribute it to a poor translation from Japanese. 0.001mm is 1 micron, and 1 micron is what vapor discharge coatings are measured in. 0.1 micron are the units that roughness of a cylinder bore might be measured in.

The number with all the zeroes is probably a joke about the designers’ passion and attention to detail.

mkodama 08-12-2018 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steel86gt (Post 3120273)
only wished they would have used a picture from the current manual transmission MY17+ with the red manifold however....

I seriously wish they would have.

Atmo 08-12-2018 04:27 PM

https://dmi3w0goirzgw.cloudfront.net...100/435100.jpg

Atmo 08-12-2018 04:42 PM

https://s15-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bi...378ddac16d3a57

Atmo 08-12-2018 04:47 PM

https://icdn-0.motor1.com/images/mgl...ona-spyder.jpg

new2subaru 08-12-2018 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 3120591)
There are some nagging flaws in execution that I find extremely annoying.

1. The filter mount is supposed to also act as the divider between the clean and dirty sides of the airbox. Unfortunately, the seal quickly falls apart allowing LOTS of dirty air through. The first time I saw one, I was shocked to see the condition of the leading edge of the compressor blades.

2. The bellows/boot that joins the airbox to the compressor is unbelievably lame. The business side of the hose clamp included with the kit interferes with the folded pattern of the boot. Actually scrubs against it.

3. The pipe just upstream of the throttle body rubs against the alternator bracket.


On the other hand, I agree that they nailed it both aesthetically, and I hope with their wet sump planetary gearbox. I don't know how well they hold up long term but I want the design to be as stout as it looks. Gorgeous.


Fixed! :D


https://chasebays.files.wordpress.co...ot-no-cb-1.jpg


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