2017 with wrong engine?
 

Hi everyone I'm new here and it's my 1st post.....
I'm sure I have the wrong engine in my brz.
It's a 2017 it's got the new wheels, led lights, new rear spoiler, steering wheel with controls on, traction control has track mode option, I have graph on dash showing power and torque curve, and g forces and braking. My cars manual gearbox but has the black plastic manifold not the red aluminium one ?

Used car?

I see that you are located in the UK.


I am quite sure I have read that only US and Asian market cars got the upgraded manifold and some other goodies, which I can't remember from the top of my head right now.




I can say for certain that my buddy's 2017 BRZ was brand new when he bought it, but it does not have the red manifold, while having the other 2017 bits you mentioned.


Since all cars for the EU market are imported via Rotterdam/Zeebrugge, it's not a big Stretch to assume that they have the same specifications.

exactly. Toyota could not get the new engine to work within EU laws. For some reason I think it might have been a noise thing, but it was probably an emissions issue. Either way EU people don't get the cool new stuff.

Didn't even notice the UK location.....whoops!

The European version got many of the engine changes but not all of them.
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:bellyroll:

If you're in England and really want just the red intake manifold, FenSport sells them. ;)

Or you could just take it off and spray paint it red.

How dare you suggest such a thing! O_o

Instant +5hp

Can anyone tell me the difference between the two manifold options? Besides being red or black, is one plastic and the other aluminum? Are they exactly the same otherwise? Is this just marketing or is there a reason they are different?

You could read the info I linked.

Is yours automatic?

Doesn't matter if he is in England.
If he is in London, Ontario he can bring it by and show me.

You could read the question I asked. I know the differences between the two engines, they are well publicized. I wanted to know if the part was different and how/why. For example, if they are made of different materials, does the aluminum one disperse heat better which is needed for the revised engine. Why is this relevant? If you have an engine with the regular cover, wouldn't better heat dispersal be a good thing as an upgrade? So, can you answer the question or are you only looking for opportunities to try and slight someone? Or perhaps this is just one of those 33 posts you must do each day....

Well if you actually read the fucking thing instead of being your normal obnoxious self you would see the answers were there.
Here let me narrow it down for you.

Except that's the wrong part. That cover has been eliminated on the version with the red manifold.

I bet youre fun at parties

I heard 2017 engine is so much more improved. Is that true? Maybe OP can just swap the engine with 2017 version. It would be awesome! Anybody has done this swap before? Or it could be possible to replace intake and exhaust manifolds with the new versions. I am already liking this idea!

You're right. My apologies.... My assumption is that if that manifold is put on the non-manual version, it won't work because of other changes in the engine. In fact, it might not even fit. Again, I was just looking for a possible upgrade opportunity...

Well considering that the sum total of all the changes including internals, exhaust, intake system and tune was only 5HP then there would be virtually zero benefit to changing just one component. We never have found any truly sensible reason why all the changes were not made to the autos but it is probably safe to assume it was strictly due to some emissions control reason.

The link tcoat posted has the differences.

I know there are guys here that put the red (and expensive) manifold on the earlier engines. Doubt it did anything but change the color.

zeal86 is one of them: https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76829

The only reason the STI was faster than the WRX is because it had a red manifold.

Lmao :party0030:


But ya the real difference between new engine and older engine (*minus the new new intake/header) is that they have new surface treatment on the cam lobe, valve, piston etc + reinforce the block itself. :cheers:


I'm pretty sure the 2018+ models (*2017 in NA) is more tuner friendly if you are looking to FI it. Just nobody know how much more it can take comapre to the older engine. :D

It's true that the sum of all the differences nets to the 5 horsepower that the majority of people are fixated on. However I've heard (rumor & social media so I'm not entirely sure) that the new manifold allows better airflow and sees proper gains with turbo'd applications, as well as the reinforced engine block has made making more power before failing (IIRC, some company like HKS or someone made more power out of a 2017+ block than the older block). Again, these are just hearsay and no sources I can cite :/

So while the 5 hp gain is minuscule, there could be more beneath the surface than what we can see from website spec sheets.

I was looking at the diagram that shows the sound tube (turquoise) attached to the air intake system (magenta) and wondered if the sound tube was calculated into the system in the same way as the resonating chambers. I completely removed the sound tube from my BRZ and installed a 1.5" plug. I have not noticed any deficit in performance. The sound tube from the air intake hose to the sound tube diaphragm does have a specific length and volume, so I just assume that it was engineered into air intake.