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Qwimby1 07-10-2018 05:07 PM

Later model-year differences?
 
I bought a '14 Monogram because I needed something fast, it was here and in good condition and I liked the BRZ-like electronics. It will be a DD with occasional track days. Were there any significant mechanical changes/improvements in later years that I should have looked for? I know '15 BRZs had upgraded rear suspension, but I've heard it wasn't a big deal. My principal concern is what I hear about spun bearings. It'll probably get to my home track of Sebring most, and those two long straights wind up the motor pretty good. I'll install an oil cooler before tracking it. I'm leaning toward the JR combo radiator and cooler, but haven't decided yet.

FR-Sky 07-10-2018 05:41 PM

You bought a 14 monogram because you needed something fast?
how slow was your previous car lol?

kch 07-10-2018 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108663)
I bought a '14 Monogram because I needed something fast, it was here and in good condition and I liked the BRZ-like electronics. It will be a DD with occasional track days. Were there any significant mechanical changes/improvements in later years that I should have looked for? I know '15 BRZs had upgraded rear suspension, but I've heard it wasn't a big deal. My principal concern is what I hear about spun bearings. It'll probably get to my home track of Sebring most, and those two long straights wind up the motor pretty good. I'll install an oil cooler before tracking it. I'm leaning toward the JR combo radiator and cooler, but haven't decided yet.

Starting sometime in MY15 they updated the coil packs, valves, and rockers.

Summerwolf 07-10-2018 05:58 PM

You got one with the better options and a 2014. Most issues were with the 13, and usually early builds at that. Enjoy.

Impureclient 07-10-2018 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 3108676)
You bought a 14 monogram because you needed something fast?
how slow was your previous car lol?

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HKz 07-10-2018 06:25 PM

the 5 HP increase, more aggressive FD and engine updates are the most notable updates with the '17s+ but whether those changes lesson the likelihood of a spun bearing remains to be seen..

I don't think you should be worrying about the bearings as it seems like the chances of it happening are still relatively low. I haven't read too many bad stories about any of the monograms as they were nearly in the 2nd year of production by then.

Qwimby1 07-10-2018 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 3108676)
You bought a 14 monogram because you needed something fast?
how slow was your previous car lol?

I meant I needed something in a hurry.

Impureclient 07-10-2018 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108710)
I meant I needed something in a hurry.

Most would say the 86/FRS/BRZ is not a car you would say that is "in a hurry".

Qwimby1 07-10-2018 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3108745)
Most would say the 86/FRS/BRZ is not a car you would say that is "in a hurry".

Then say I needed to buy transportation without delay.
.

extrashaky 07-10-2018 10:12 PM

Yeah, you should have waited. The 2018 got a turbo.

Impureclient 07-10-2018 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108751)
Then say I needed to buy transportation without delay.
.

Most would say however there is delay in it.

funwheeldrive 07-10-2018 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108663)
I bought a '14 Monogram because I needed something fast, it was here and in good condition and I liked the BRZ-like electronics. It will be a DD with occasional track days. Were there any significant mechanical changes/improvements in later years that I should have looked for? I know '15 BRZs had upgraded rear suspension, but I've heard it wasn't a big deal. My principal concern is what I hear about spun bearings. It'll probably get to my home track of Sebring most, and those two long straights wind up the motor pretty good. I'll install an oil cooler before tracking it. I'm leaning toward the JR combo radiator and cooler, but haven't decided yet.

Probably the number one thing I would be mindful of is the throw out bearing. The grease in the earlier (2013-2016?) 86s is not good and can lead to costly repairs if it fails.

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Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3108762)
Most would say however there is delay in it.

Are you trying to be funny?

Impureclient 07-10-2018 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 3108765)
Are you trying to be funny?

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Qwimby1 07-11-2018 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 3108765)
Probably the number one thing I would be mindful of is the throw out bearing. The grease in the earlier (2013-2016?) 86s is not good and can lead to costly repairs if it fails.

I guess the only way to avoid that would be to drop the tranny and replace the bearing. But then I could just wait for it to go and replace it then. In my experience, they usually give you some warning and don't normally destroy anything else when they go.

Of course I drive with the clutch in mind by not launching and not keeping the bearing engaged for long periods.

humfrz 07-11-2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108984)
I guess the only way to avoid that would be to drop the tranny and replace the bearing. But then I could just wait for it to go and replace it then. In my experience, they usually give you some warning and don't normally destroy anything else when they go.

Of course I drive with the clutch in mind by not launching and not keeping the bearing engaged for long periods.

Ya want me ta :slap: some of these guys fer ya ..??

As far as a bearing spinning …. my take is that if it's gonna go, it's gonna go .. just keep oil in the machine. If you have someone take the engine apart now and replace the bearings … the rebuild may set the engine up for a bearing failure sometime in the future.

As far as the TOB (oh, BTW, the TOB on this machine is always turning, as long as the engine is running, however, it's only "working" while the clutch is pushed in). As far as replacement, as you said, one going bad will usually give you a "sign", like whining or screaming.

Hell, I say just drive the car and enjoy it …. :burnrubber:

Like they say in the old country .. if it ain't broke ….


humfrz

funwheeldrive 07-11-2018 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108984)
I guess the only way to avoid that would be to drop the tranny and replace the bearing. But then I could just wait for it to go and replace it then. In my experience, they usually give you some warning and don't normally destroy anything else when they go.

Of course I drive with the clutch in mind by not launching and not keeping the bearing engaged for long periods.

I've heard people complaining of broken clutch forks and shredded clutches after the tob went out.

FR-Sky 07-12-2018 06:36 AM

I mean, just drive and enjoy it. You can never predict what is going to break.
If something is broken, then it is broken.
If you maintain it well but spun bearing still happens then there is nothing you can do but fix it.

There is one time my throw out bearing is cooked while I was driving on the freeway. I tow and replace whole new stage 2 clutch and now I am happy.

highway7 07-12-2018 08:25 PM

Off the top of my head

Late MY13 Made after April 2013
-Has new tune to prevent DI failure

MY14
-FRS comes with touch screen radio stock
-Knee cushions for driver

MY15
-Shark fin antenna replaces old black one
-New exhaust tips (Original JDM ones on 13, however they are recessed for probably NHTSA compliance and not flush with the bumper like the JDM ones)
-New colours replacing old ones (Halo replacing whiteout, I think there was another one)
-Different springs
-Engine slightly changed, different part #s, reinforced along certain areas of the cast

MY16
-back up camera standard

MY17
-Got uglier
-Updated TOB
-Red Aluminum intake manifold instead of plastic
-Buttons on steering wheel
-G sensor on BRZ (Not sure if on 86)
- +5 hp for the manual

Qwimby1 07-12-2018 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by highway7 (Post 3109476)
Off the top of my head

Late MY13 Made after April 2013
-Has new tune to prevent DI failure

MY14
-FRS comes with touch screen radio stock
-Knee cushions for driver

MY15
-Shark fin antenna replaces old black one
-New exhaust tips (Original JDM ones on 13, however they are recessed for probably NHTSA compliance and not flush with the bumper like the JDM ones)
-New colours replacing old ones (Halo replacing whiteout, I think there was another one)
-Different springs
-Engine slightly changed, different part #s, reinforced along certain areas of the cast

MY16
-back up camera standard

MY17
-Got uglier
-Updated TOB
-Red Aluminum intake manifold instead of plastic
-Buttons on steering wheel
-G sensor on BRZ (Not sure if on 86)
- +5 hp for the manual

Looks like I'm in pretty good shape. Mine has a Borla muffler, premium audio with navigation and I put a backup cam in it. I'm about to change to a shark-fin antenna.

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-13-2018 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 3108676)
You bought a 14 monogram because you needed something fast?
how slow was your previous car lol?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3108688)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3108745)
Most would say the 86/FRS/BRZ is not a car you would say that is "in a hurry".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108710)
I meant I needed something in a hurry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3108751)
Then say I needed to buy transportation without delay.
.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Impureclient (Post 3108762)
Most would say however there is delay in it.


:lol: I can't stop laughing

FRSBRZGT86FAN 07-13-2018 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qwimby1 (Post 3109505)
Looks like I'm in pretty good shape. Mine has a Borla muffler, premium audio with navigation and I put a backup cam in it. I'm about to change to a shark-fin antenna.


Navigation module is kinda lame, I put a post in the electronics forum once showing how to add it to the stock head unit. The map updates are expensive and the entune update is iffy, but it is ok to have.

sato 07-14-2018 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive (Post 3108765)
Probably the number one thing I would be mindful of is the throw out bearing. The grease in the earlier (2013-2016?) 86s is not good and can lead to costly repairs if it fails.

On that note, there was a TSB and an updated part number for the throwout bearing. Not sure if it was updated yet again. See thread:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117440

Qwimby1 07-14-2018 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN (Post 3109995)
Navigation module is kinda lame, I put a post in the electronics forum once showing how to add it to the stock head unit. The map updates are expensive and the entune update is iffy, but it is ok to have.

Agree about the Nav unit.. big disappointment. The premium audio works well though.. At least for me.


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