AutoGuide.com FT-86 Technical Details "Confirmed"
 

Posted: May 15, 2011

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...source=twitter

"By now at least some of these official details are foregone conclusions, but Toyota has decided to confirm some of the technical specs about the production car that will evolve from the FT-86 Concept. As expected, the details are identical to those provided for the Scion FR-S from its debut at the New York Auto Show.

That being said, when it does finally go into production (how much longer do we have to wait?) the FT-86 will be powered by a 2.0-liter Subaru-sourced boxer engine. Likely the same powerplant used in the new Impreza, it makes 148-hp in that car. Adding as much as 15 percent more power (that’s 170-hp by our calculation), is a Toyota D4-S direct-injection system. Both a six-speed manual and six-speed automatic will be offered, plus a limited slip differential will be standard.

While fuel economy isn’t something FT-86 buyers will be overly interested in, we should point out that with the new Impreza getting 27/36-mpg we should expect some impressive mpgs from the Toyota sports coupe, which should be lighter than the Impreza and also won’t be AWD.

Look for the Toyota FT-86 to officially debut at the Tokyo Auto Show this Fall." - AutoGuide.com

^ Still speculating on the engine. Argh...

That's why I put it in quotations. They seem to portray that this is what we're getting for an engine.

For the Scion FR-S (North American Market) it doesn't make much sense, apart from fuel efficiency is it justifiable to use a D4-S FB20 then a FB25 that already makes 170bhp at a similar engine weight and dimensions, is already being mass produced, and most likely cheaper to produce because it doesn't have D4-S injection???

Also; can Scion justify selling there halo model with less horsepower then tC for more money to the average consumer? I have my doubts that the FR-S is going to be easier to live with then the tC as a daily driver with the FB20 D4-S then the 2AR-FE to the average consumer. I guess it starts depending on the curb weight then!

what about Yamaha?

autoguide you wasted my time

Eh I thought this was actually going to be news :( I wish they'd hold off on speculation (and then trying to make it sound like news) until the details actually come out.

what about them?

Damn you again AutoGuide. All those details were announced when the Scion FR-S was revealed last month.

At this point I'd entertain rumors regarding Yamaha's cylinder head development. :)

Yep. That article is bla.... Nothing new to see guys. Move along, move along now. :sigh:

You know I kept asking myself why people were saying 148BHP for an el cheapo engine option and there it is. I've only heard it mentioning 10 times without realizing it :bonk:. Boy, am I a blockhead.

Technical Details... fuggin AutoGuide :clap: :bellyroll:

No way they put this thing out with 170 anemic HP. I thought 200hp was "low" but that's all I honestly expect Toyota to put into it.

Then why are you still here? It's already been said numerous time that unless they go all out N/A or turbocharge(which has been denied as far as I've heard) it'll be slower than a v6 Camry.

Last year someone said it was capable of 230PS(225BHP) but they went for a more balanced approach between power and fuel efficient. The VP of Scion said it would be surprisingly fuel efficient too!

0-62MPH in 7 seconds ring a bell?

The 'adding D4-S to the FB20 to get 170 hp' idea is, (as Exage mentioned in a more polite manner) fucking ludicrous. They have a 170 hp FB25. There is no reason to put a fuck-ton of R&D into a motor that will just result in the same power as one you already have, that weighs pretty close, and already fits. And they share the same long stroke, so it's not going to be anymore rev happy than the FB25 (well a tiny bit less mass from smaller pistons). So all you get for more money is the same power, less torque, and a bit of fuel economy.

This is stupid. Toyota and Subaru are NOT stupid. This won't happen.

This will either be a balls-out FB20 at 200 hp or an all-new design, possibly shared with the upcoming WRX/STI.

Again, 200 hp out of the FB20 is not something I'm super comfortable with, given it may not have anything left for the tuners, without some major (internal) $$$ changes.

I don't disagree on most of your points. But in Japan they tend to build 2L engines to get below the displacement tax. That could supercede all of your other points :iono:. The FB25 is mostly for US Subaru cars anyway. Don't forget that Subaru uses 2L in their Global upscale versions, the base models get a 1.5L. The FR-S will probably be built in Japan with the other cars so I dunno. I don't think we're getting the whole picture anyway.

Have faith! New 2.0L for WRX/STI! Doesn't need the turbo, but share the better bore/stroke ratio, flow, oil squirters, stronger internals, etc...

Believe!

I dunno :iono:, maybe I'm too much of a doubting Thomas.

170HP from a 2.0L is pathetic, but there's nothing to fear.
I just read http://www.autoblog.com/2011/05/12/h...-in-barcelona/
Hyundai i40 will get 175HP from a 2.0L engine, without a turbo.

So if Hyundai can do it, Toyota+Subaru+(Yamaha) can probably do better than that.

It's been done plenty of times in the past. For example- the 2zz-ge from the last gen Celica got 189bhp from 1.8L of displacement and the fuel economy was still excellent on it. The point here is that you're trying to compare two completely different engines. A Subaru boxer is not the same as a Hyundai inline four.

:word: But we are still holding out hope that Subaru boxer mixed with some D4-S and Yamaha love will result in beauty and magic.

For all we know, the engine they're developing could be something totally knew that doesn't share any parts with their current engines. With Subaru trying to phase out their older engine technology, and adding Toyota and (possibly?) Yamaha to the mix, I wouldn't put it past them to surprise us with a totally new engine.

Like I've said numerous times here, this would be a daily driver as my Evo is getting converted to a track machine. This car doesn't need to be "Supra" fast, as I have that already (and then some), this needs to be a fun-zippy car. 145hp-170hp won't cut it at it's weight. If it is that anemic, then I'll have to look elsewhere, as even that is too weak for me. I want a little zip out of the car.

It depends on the weight then!

Little worries
 

Hey you guys, I think we are all missing the bigger picture here. Toyota developed the machine, Subie is giving them the motor to enhance balance. Everyone is chipping in to make it a good car, its two motorsport companies that have a great passion for cars. First off, since the are selling the FT-86 under the Scion Flag they already realize it has a competitor, the TC. Honestly, if Toyota lets the FR-S sell with a weaker motor than the TC, then sells would dive and it would be a disaster for them. Sales marketing has helped both these companies realize what kind of car the FR-S will be. Relax, all this talk and worry about how much power the motor will make is really out of our hands. Its not like you already bought the car. They have been working for a while on this car, they want it to be successful, trust me. It will make 200+ ponies. The car is going to be light enough to zip around in, I know it. The one big angle that maybe you guys are forgetting is that toyota is really targeting the drifting scene with this car. Since toyota lost all of its FR capability in the past 11 years, they needed something affordable that would bring buyers back. And hitting the younger generation with an affordable car that can drift will be really popular. Its just what Toyota needs for the FR revival it gave up, and no im not gonna count that damn overpriced supra they handed off to Lexus..it was made for the rich egotistical minded jerks. So yeah if you cant tell im displeased with that move and what I think of rich people, then you probably wont get what I'm aiming at here.

148hp...36/27 mpg...148hp...36/27mpg


Anyone else see something here? Sounds like the econo version of the FB20 is so purposefully watered down for fuel efficiency that there's plenty of potential power out of that engine while keeping the FT-86 competitive MPG wise with its rivals. It IS a 2L after all, not a 1.5 or 1.6.

Then of course there's still the potential the engine in the FT-86/216a will be a completely different engine. Calm down folks.

@autoblog...yeesh, seriously, get a new staff or something. Thats just piss poor reporting.

If I'am getting an FT-86 it is not for ecodrive but for racing. Hope they'll make a more sporty version of it then.

The statement that rang My bell was that the FB20 or what ever it is to be called. It will be faster than the Hundai coupe (4 cyl. Turbo) which is a slug also. They also state that an F model will be forthcoming.,
Good Luck and God Bless, Bill Ivins

^ Huh?

We don't know if it's going to be faster than the GC 2.0t, because we don't know the power nor the weight of fR-S/216a.

And please post your source for the info that there will be an "F" model of this car (which means that there'd be a Lexus variant), because that would be news to me. Last I heard about a "FT-86F" was from some members joking/hoping that there'd be one made, followed up by a strange photoshop and article in an (Japanese?) automotive tabloid magazine.

There's no way they're making an F version of the FR-S. MAYBE if they released it as a Toyota, but even that makes no sense.

2.0 turbo
 

mr2 turbo was a 2.0 liter with 200hp and 200 lb-ft of tq... I can only hope they will make a more powerful engine than they were making back in 1991. I personally love the instant pull of the MR2. My S2000 has to be hammered to redline to get the same instantaneous pull I received from my MR2 Turbo. I drove a Celica GT-S and it was like my S2K. It had to be hammered to get up and go. I had a friend with a GT-S drive my MR2 after getting out of his car and his first comment was, "So, this is what it feels like to drive a car with power." I love the look of the FT86/FRS; I just hope it's fast otherwise it will be a waste of a gorgeous vehicle and every time I see one I will think, gosh that's a sexy car; but too bad it's so slow.