The First of Toyota's New GR Performance Line
 

https://jalopnik.com/the-first-of-to...l-s-1827283601

Is Still Sort Of Boring

Why did you cut it off?

So this is only in Japan? The upcoming TRD version sounds better

Well, that's nice.

Even if it were offered here, I'm not seeing anything that would tempt me to trade in my 2013 … :iono:


humfrz

So just aftermarket stuff just jacked up dealer prices?
Same engine, same performance, just cost more?
No thanks.

LOL, they've been doing that since the start. Just like an iPhone. "Ooooh! THe new iPhone!" What does it do differently? "Nothing, but I have to have one!"

Yep!

New name, same TuRD

At least Toyota isn't remotely crippling the old one so you'll have buy the new one to get the same performance.

There will always be a market for models like this. Generally the only time you'll see an increased performance variant is if initial trim offerings are actually slow or unaccomodating of sport. The stock 86 is neither, no matter how much we tell ourselves.

I'm honestly in the small group that hopes they don't come out with a turbo/SC variant. Keep aftermarket alive and don't make people's research/ hard work become crushed with a stock car pushing 240whp that is built for it.

So it's a BRZ Limited with the PP but for the price of the Ts. *
Doesn't have any of the Ts enhancements.
TF is Toyota thinking? This is on par with the 86 Black Edition not actually being black.

* Sorry, I see that you get a bunch of glossy, useless appearance goodies at that price. Woo!

LOL, I'm not sure if Jalopnick was being snarky or if it's a compliment, but "goofy little car"
is a perfect description.

Maybe I misunderstand your point. Are you saying the 86 is not a slow car, and is very capable stock? If so, I've said that forever. If you want to learn how to go fast and drive well, there is no better car to learn with.

If it had 240, then the narrative would switch to "it needs at least 260". Then the effort would switch to getting 300 out if it. OFT and E90 is a blast, I'm seriously considering their header as well.

I agree with both of these points! You understood perfectly what I was implying. Why should they bother adding more power when it's already set up very well for 95% of drivers? The numbers game never ends, so you are right to assume people are never happy about a posted result.

Reminds me of back in the late 40s, before the Interstate/Freeway system. Some people wanted more power so they could pass quicker on two lane highways. So, the auto makers gave them larger, more powerful engines. All the drivers did was try to pass in shorter distances … :iono:


humfrz

I think they should add a trim level with 75 more HP but charge $25K more for it. That would troll the hell out of the whiners.

What TRD version?

Kind of like the TRD supercharger for the FRS?:thumbsup:

Oh wait, that was an extra $50K.

Do I think the car needs more power? No.

Would I sell my 2013 for a new 86 with 15% more HP and a factory warranty (like Mazda just announced for the Miata)? Yes.

230 HP is a pretty easy target to hit, for not a lot of money.

How?

Isn't 230 (crank)HP basically header, E85, tune ?

Yes

I thought he said 230hp from factory.

I'm gonna use this opportunity to ask how folks would feel about an "FI Ready" variant. Maybe a factory oil cooler and larger exhaust on top of the brakes, wheels, aero, etc. Maybe goes further to some chassis and suspension upgrades. Stuff FI cars should probably have, but people don't necessarily want to think about.

Not really something I'd be interested in, but it might be appealing to some.

Exactly. With a warranty, no problem servicing at nationwide dealership network (I daily drive mine as primary car) and I have to deal with California smog inspection (aftermarket headers will not pass visual inspection).

For a track car - no problem hitting 230 HP.
If not for servicing hassles a couple supercharger options are CARB certified.

But only a factory offering will hit all my requirements.

They would sell a bunch of them if they sold today's basic version of the 86 with Brembo's (or TRD) better suspension and 250 HP. 32K, maybe. Leave all the rest of that stupid shit like "dual zone climate control", butt-ugly carjazzle and the rest in the options catalog where it belongs. It does not even need more power, better brakes and suspension would be enough.

It'd be tough, since anyone going this route is likely to be buying part tailored to the experience they're pursuing. While I think the sentiment is nice, I think people would rather spend less, buy a base model, and build it to their own spec. I'm sure it could be popular though, they could just market it as track spec.

Well, I wasn't thinking they would say "FI Ready" in the marketing. Track spec would be a good way of selling it I agree.

Basically, it could be the answer to the 'Needs more power' crowd with relatively minimal investment by Toyoburu. Might be a difficult sell in more regulated regions, but I'd bet at least the American market would be big enough to justify the investment. Also, it wouldn't be stepping on the toes of the flagships, just capturing more money that would otherwise go somewhere else.

I guess I disagree that most people would pass on properly engineered, integrated, installed, and warrantied upgrades in favor of spending more time and money to install similar parts with higher risk because they don't have the resources to perform real integration.

The GR sport reminds me the STI sport.

Easy. Toyota gets serious about the car, instead of not knowing what to do with it. Two cars, a base model (current 86) and a fancy one with a nicer interior. You sit down at the dealership during the process and get handed the TRD catalog. Go nuts, or not. All I want is better brakes.

Edit: And two engine choices. The stock, and one that was sent to Yamaha for a massage.

I suppose that's one way to do it. Then again, Toyota being serious about a car results in Camrys and Corollas. No amount of TRD add-ons will fix a car Toyota is serious about.

Don't they already sell a trim with brembos?

Engine updates are very, very expensive with emissions regulations and economy ratings and all that.

I suspect Yamaha could find plenty of HP. It might cost some money, yes, but then we would see if the HP-complainers would put their money where their mouth is.

Yamaha did a massage already. They developed the cylinder heads.

Give us the LFA treatment pls!

It is exactly like this, just not in the US.

As much as I love my FRS,,, if I was in the market again, and $34K price point,, I buy a new leftover Focus RS before I'd buy this.

You can buy a nice Gazoo Racing placard for your trunk lid in any Super Autobacs in Japan... for just $110.00 equivalent.


Bwahahahaha.