One injured in street racing crash on Marine Drive
 

I hope this wasn't one of us on the forum?
http://www.kptv.com/story/38130458/p...n-marine-drive

Be safe out there

Watching a FRS street race must be the most boring thing ever.

Human nature. Just visited a small historic town that had a marker memorializing a local prominent citizen that was killed by being thrown from his horse while racing his friend......over 100 years ago.

Yes, probably dangerous for participants and observers. Personal responsibility, don't be there unless you can accept the risk.

Media likes to sensationalize the story for ratings.

Local old people want people to "keep of their grass"

I'd rather see young people doing this than sitting on the couch getting high, eating Cheetos and playing Call of Duty.

There are closed race tracks to have fun with your car. To be honest I wouldn't trust these "racers" around my friends or family. Most of them are probably teenagers who can't understand the consequences of their stupid decisions.

People have been doing this for forever.

If your care about YOUR teenagers you need to teach them situational awareness and how to be wary of ANY dangerous situation and act responsibly.

A safe world can not be mandated or forced by laws.

I don't think there were any innocents walking their baby in a stroller down the sidewalk at that time.

Tracks are great, they are becoming fewer and fewer.

Maybe there weren't a ton of pedestrians around that night, but what if a random car drove by at the wrong time? Do you really trust them to be able to brake effectively at those speeds? Hell, the whole reason this thing is a topic is because one of the driver's couldn't control their car and crashed. He is lucky that he only injured himself.

I remember being a teenager. I had great parents, and I'd like to think I'm pretty level headed, but I still did some really stupid shit that could have ruined my life if I was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The majority of drivers these days have too much car and not enough skill/experience to be doing this kind of driving on public roads. Look at all the Mustang crashes on yotube. Add high speed racing to the mix and shit like this is bound to happen. And as a result ALL car enthusiasts suffer.

I agree, but what's the solution? The media makes it seem like people are out there killing babies for fun. Its illegal. Enforce the laws.

I never said I had an answer, I was just saying that I don't condone their actions. To be honest I would rather they all stay at home, smoke a bowl, and watch Netflix.

This is a load of bullshit!
This was not some isolated abandoned airstrip or closed roads these were public streets.
There is no need to be racing on the streets and teaching your kids "situational awareness" does not prevent innocents from being killed.
The fact that it has "been going on forever" doesn't make it OK.

Because someone died doing this 100 years ago we should keep doing it? And it is better to put the public at risk than to get high and stay home? Aren't you edgy.

Well I will be at home smoking my bowl regardless, hopefully you don't get ran down by a street racer in the meantime.

That is where the whole society is going.

Racing, all forms of it, originated from human's urge to be competitive. All of this was started in an imperfect setting with some form of danger.

You could twist your ankle or bump into a friend and injure them while racing (running) on the playground.

Young people are stupid, old people are stupid. There are laws, we all break some of them time to time. Cause and effect, teach it. Enforce the laws we have.

I have seen lots and lots of people doing much worse. That does not make this right. but it is happening all over America every night. If it is one of the most dangerous activities going on in your community and you want the police to stop it public opinion can push law enforcement to stop it.

Here, where I live in rural Ohio, our deputies the first priority is to respond to heroin overdoes to protect the EMTs. At this point they is little else they have time for.

Sorta a turbocharged version of the couch, bowl and Netflix scenario.

THEY like to sensationalize, you say?

This is not what you said before.


How old are your kids? you would be fine if the police knocked on your door and said they were killed while spectating or participating in a street race? You would just say "Oh well they knew the risk" and carry on like normal? Only the young and old are stupid? There is a group in the middle that are all perfect?

Yes, people have been doing this forever. I just back from the Big Island. There is a lonely rural stretch of road that racers use in the wee hours of the morning. They are a group of racers, with radios, and people on each end of the stretch of the road. I am not saying that it is legit or the right thing to do. I am just saying; they are not two random cars in the city racing.




Also... This story happens to be a prius, but it could have easily been a racer. How do you teach someone situational awareness if they are in bed?


https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...478949013.html

Except no one ever died from smoking too much pot (ok maybe one person did one time).

Motor vehicle accidents are the second leading cause of accidental death in the US IIRC (first being overdoses). I'm fine with people being stupid as long as it's only risking their own well being. Once they start being reckless on public streets with +3000 pound metal sleds then my opinion starts to change. There are plenty of other ways to get an adrenaline rush without risking other peoples lives.

All these people should just buy motorcycles if they want to go fast. Then they are a lot more likely to just kill themselves instead of an innocent civilian driving/biking home from work.

Behold! Yet another thread spiralling into a 32-page argument from page 1.

What is your plan? Demand society protect your kids fromm all danger?

So silly.

Bad things happen to great people every day.

Some can be avoided, some cannot.

Sometimes others are responsible and face punishment.

Our society is becoming rules stacked on top of rules. No one wants to take personal responsibility for anything.

I jumped the fence and crossed the moat and the elephant stomped me.....must be the zoo's fault.

All I am saying is be careful what you wish for. You want your car satellite tracked and issued a ticket for every time you speed? it can be done.

A handful of people get backed over a year and suddenly we ALL must have backup camera's?

A few wake-and-bake folks forget their kid in the car and soon we will have mandated rear seat monitors.

You can say saving ONE life is worth it, but it's not.

:popcorn:

straight line racing is a poor mans excuse to feel superior for a few minutes

You have never lost a loved one to somebody's carless driving have you?
You did not answer my questions. They were not rhetorical.
The rest of your scenarios are not an equivalent.
Any safety features included do not save "one" life they can save thousands.

Not true. An organized race, in a sanctioned strip is every bit as legit a sport as driving around a course. It just happens much, much faster.

Not that it's worth much, but I think we could do a muuuuuuch better job when it comes to teaching new driver's how to drive, and making the testing process more difficult. I know in some parts of Europe they take the driver's license process very seriously and you actually have to dedicate part of yourself if you want to drive.

Here in America we almost hand them out like a fishing license. I'm pretty sure my driving test was only 10 minutes and I goofed off during all my driver's education classes. It's no wonder we have so many automotive accidents every year, it's because the majority of drivers never knew how to drive from the start.

Also, older people need to be screened more often to see if they are still able to drive safely. Older (+70) drivers usually scare me more than teenagers.

sorry sir, yes you are right and i agree to a certain point, i guess i should have been more clear and stated the straight line racing the kids are doing (this video on public open roads). i am all for a drag strip race at the local track...

It isn't always lack of skill that gets the youngsters into accidents it is the activities they participate in while driving. The stats are all out there to prove it.


Yes they need to do a better job physically screening drivers after a certain age (I would say 70 is a bit low). Just last Sunday my 80 year old mother said she was thinking of buying another car. She can hardly walk and has to pick her leg up with her hands to get into the car. Not a hope in hell I will let that happen.

My plan is to not advocate street racing over smoking pot, it's pretty simple. But hey, keep straw manning everyone and thinking you are smart.

Are you comparing pot to heroin? If so I am done wasting my time here, you are hopeless.

Arguing with a Canadian and someone from Seattle about how American society works is never come to a general consensus. :)

I guess I meant that we should focus on giving new drivers the tools they might need in the future. Wouldn't it be cool if all drivers were taught how to correct a slide, or how to brake properly in poor driving conditions? What if we also showed people how to change a flat tire, check their oil, jumpstart a car, or replace a taillight bulb?

Instead we make new drivers memorize all sorts of stupid information they will never need to remember in the real world. I know a lot of this wouldn't prevent many teenage accidents, but I think we could do a much better job of preparing them.

Yeah, I was wondering that too. Being that it is legal here. (OR & WA)


Two new studies published by the American Medical Association find that letting people legally access marijuana appears to reduce reliance on addictive opioids.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tomange.../#35197565696f

You think our society is different?
You really think you will get consensus to your horrid point of view from the non Seattle Americans here?
Still not answering my questions?

Am I not MURICAN enough for you because I live in Seattle? Get out of here with that gatekeeping bullshit. This isn't even about American society, it is about one idiot advocating a VERY dangerous thing vs a harmless thing.

How old are your kids? Nope, not a breeder, too many people already. you would be fine if the police knocked on your door and said they were killed while spectating or participating in a street race? No, of course not. It would suck and it would seem senseless, it would devastate anyone. You would just say "Oh well they knew the risk" and carry on like normal? No, probably no one carries on, but cancer happens and so does lightning and a multitude of other things. Protect your kid from the evils of street racing (which BTW I have never done) and they will be attacked by a shark at the beach. Only the young and old are stupid? I should have said ALL can be stupid, my intent was to NOT single out the young, but I can see where that could be misconstrued as the middle age people are perfect. There is a group in the middle that are all perfect?

Have I ever lost a family member to a careless driver? No, fortunately I have not, but as a avid motorcyclist I have lost many friends and have seen driving (and riding) at its absolute worst.

I'm an idiot?

What is harmless?

I'm not advocating anything. I said it been happening since we crawled out of the mud. Humans are competitive. If we had flying cars we'd be trying to race each other through the sky. Sensationalizing it in media does nothing, but draw more spectators and therefore more participants. If it is going on all the time and is really that much of a danger to society the locals will have the police go down there and do something about it.

Yeah, you are an idiot and you DID advocate for this over smoking weed.

Yeah, I'll stand by that one.

I'm sure the mods do not appreciate name calling, but that's cool if that how you roll. I would assume you'd be a lot more relaxed.

Not sure about name calling but I know for a fact they don't want anyone advocating street racing on this forum. And make all the incorrect assumptions you want, it's part of why we are in this argument.

If you are making ignorant arguments and justifying them based on where I am from I won't be chill, doesn't matter how much weed I smoke.

who knew one lethargic street race could cause such angst on a forum :( pretty heavy consequences for the FRS driver to think about...

I am not a "breeder", as you put it, either. But by saying "If your care about YOUR teenagers", you implied that you were. As if to say that you were teaching YOUR children situational awareness that would avoid certain situations. And that we should do the same if we had any sense.

And I can have that opinion, even if I do not have kids. The emphasis is on teaching YOUR kids personal responsibility. Again my opinion, but you are in for a world of hurt if you think you can turn your kids (young adults) loose and you expect everyone else to keep them from being harmed.

Rules and laws are broken every single day. It is against the law in most places to txt and drive, but many still do it. If I get mowed down while on a motorcycle by someone txting and blowing a stop sign. They might be the lawbreaker, they might be in trouble, but I am no LESS dead. Riding a motorcycle is risk management, but so is taking baths and owning a pit bull. People still drive drunk. If you are out driving around about the same time as the bars close you are increasing your exposure to being hit by a drunk driver. Will they be in the wrong? Absolutely, but you have to know that you do have some culpability because logic dictates that is the time you would most likely be hit by them.

[QUOTE=SCQTT;3083963] but so is taking baths and owning a pit bull. QUOTE]




I TAKE BATHS WITH MY PITBULL!


I see that you feel personally attacked; and want to go on the offensive by personally attacking me. I am sorry that you feel that way about American red nose terriers.

Lol, I just now noticed your Avatar. Did not mean to pick on Pit Bulls, I know several that are very sweet, but you get the point. Another media attack to make something seem like it is the end of the world....