Lost both my keys, need help.
 

Here's the situation I'm in... lost my only key (keep in mind this is a push to start manual) while I was riding my motorcycle all over the place when the weather finally broke. Car got towed from my driveway via Insuance to the local subaru dealer and it's sitting in there back lot they say.. I work at a dealer, happens to be a toyota dealer and in the parts department.. after talking to some of my coworkers, they wonder If maybe toyota techs could program the key fob I bought. I've read and saw that techstream is used by toyota and was wondering if Subaru brz's really used different immobilizers than the frs since toyota has the frs and 86.. also the subie dealer said the only option I have is for them to remove the 2 modules from the vehicle and ship them out to some Subaru corp that could take a week (I think maybe toyota dealer hence techstream comment) but so that they can clear them so the new key can be reprogrammed, since I don't have a master or anything.

I need help.. any positive comments help., thanks:mad0259::iono:

Not sure if this will work but im sure the dealer ship can make a new key so you can atlease get in the car, but usually when the battery dies in the keyfob you can take the actual key out and hold it next to the push start (from what i remember) maybe by chance you can use just a normal BRZ key with the black tip at the end or the whole key fob and maybe work ??? :iono:

Do you still have the little metal tag with the code for your car on it? They can program from that. If you don't then I understand from previous threads that they will indeed have to send the modules away.

Each fob has a chip that is programmed for just that car. Your method will not work unless the key is programmed.

[QUOTE=Tcoat;3078941]Do you still have the little metal tag with the code for your car on it? They can program from that. If you don't then I understand from previous threads that they will indeed have to send the modules away.


Yup, don't have the metal tag... anyway I can get the modules and key programmed at my toyota dealer?

[quote=ReaperBRZ;3079077]As I understood the previous threads it has to be done by a Subaru dealer for a BRZ. Nobody really ever explained why very well though.

[quote=Tcoat;3079079]I want to know why it can't be done at a toyota dealer in detail.. anyone help?

[quote=ReaperBRZ;3079449] @Veloist @trippinbillies40 can either of you guys explain?

Lost both my keys, need help.
 

You cannot program a new key without a currently programmed key. Period. Parts will need to be removed and shipped to Subaru. They usually ship them back on the same day as arrival or the next morning. They blank the modules so the car will turn on(electronically, engine still won't start) and then the newly purchased keys can be programmed to the blanked modules.


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Lost both my keys, need help.
 

Double post

But why Not a toyota dealer ?!
 

[QUOTE=Ragin Gti;3079467]You cannot program a new key without a currently programmed key. Period. Parts will need to be removed and shipped to Subaru. They usually ship them back on the same day as arrival or the next morning. They blank the modules so the car will turn on(electronically, engine still won't start) and then the newly purchased keys can be programmed to the blanked modules.


I know this already.. know ones giving me a direct answer to if they REALLY SEND IT TO SUBARU, everyone in my toyota parts dept. Says they're sending it to a toyota dealer to clear them.. also have read that they need techstream which Subaru doesn't have, only toyota.. WHY CANT I DO THIS AT A TOYOTA DEALER?

Lost both my keys, need help.
 

In Techstream it's easy to pair a transponder as long as you still have a working one. If you lose all of them then you have to go through another process where Techstream gives you some code which is then given to Toyota and then Toyota gives you a code which you then enter into Techstream which gives it permission to pair the new transponder.

There is also this site which sells unlocks if you aren't a dealer (never tested myself, could be a scam):
https://pin-online.net/

No clue if Techstream will handle all this on a BRZ though.

[quote=ReaperBRZ;3079449]Not sure why it can't be done on Toyota's end. On Subaru's end, they do go to SOA because of the liability involved in having people at every dealership having the ability to copy keys.

Is all this to make it a pain for car thieves?

[quote=trippinbillies40;3080084]What's SOA?

subie of america

[quote=ReaperBRZ;3079744]Dude don’t lose it on us. We are just telling you what others have come up against. If your guys say they can do it then just have them do it.

[quote=ReaperBRZ;3080556]Subaru Of America

I am in the similar situation and I lost both my keys as well. However I have the little paper with my vin number on it next to my metal tag with the code on it. Are you sure they can program me new keys with this code without any existing keys? I also remember a salesman saying something like that too when I bought the vehicle. Do you know anyone that has done this?

There are people that have said they had it done. The metal tag is the important thing. They can't program from the vin since it is in full view of anybody that looks for it and that would defeat the whole purpose of a chipped security system.

They've done it with no existing keys at all?
Also just incase it doesn't end up working, I tried taking my vehicle to an autolocksmith and he wasn't able to sync with the car. Is it because of a possible tune? Everyone including my tuner said it should have nothing to do with a tune. Also I heard that when subaru takes out the two modules and resets them from your vehicle, the cars system will waken once again allowing them to sync with the car to re program. Is this why my auto lock smith couldn't do it?

Look at it like this. If you take a fob in and say "I would like another of these please" they would look at the code on it and program another fob. They don't need the fob itself to make a copy just the numbers. Just replace the fob with the tag and the same should apply.

omg... makes so much sense jesus, running in there first thing in the morning..

Let us know how you make out. Cloud help out the next guy if we have a definative verdict we can put in the new to the car thread.

first thing ill do is update you guys

OH dude at least drive the car first!

Unfortunately it does not work. the metal tag is just the metal cut of the emergency blade, theres no other way around it besides having subaru send in your biu and something else to do with the key module to subaru of america, and having them wipe everything. I'm assuming all autolocksmiths are having this issue with our cars because they can't waken up the system when they try to sync their cables and software to our vehicle. The best they can do is turn on the headlights, hazard lights to get some kind of feedback but it's not waking up the system. I believe once the biu and key module is wiped and replaced back in your car, the cars ign will turn on but not the engine.

The immobilizer will not "wake up" without a programmed key, without it saying "I'm good" you cannot program a new key.


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Yeah So pretty much what I said right? And why all these auto lock smiths couldn’t connect with my car? The guy was able to communicate with a 2013 Scion FR-S not sure why he couldn’t with mine. But makes sense if they have to wipe all of it for the new keys to get programmed.

Hey reaper, let us know how it went down at subaru.

Here SSM III/IV Manual. See pages from 128 to 147. Procedure is well described. About metal tag code, that code is the mech code to build only that blade.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1B9-...ew?usp=sharing

you need ID key released to Subaru Dealer thru online access to SoA. In some other countries many times Subaru paste the label on circuit board of key but I know that in Europe and US is illegal to show (to protect the owner about missing key elsewhere).

The cost of new key is almost expensive, in Europe the cost for remote is 140$ and the programming about 250$, so the total per remote and blade is quite around 450/500$.

I know well the procedure as I wished to substitute the old remote key with the new one '18, more stylish....I left.

Yup and since I lost both keys. Similar to the op. We have to send out our biu and one other module to Subaru of America, wait for it to come back to the dealer. And then the system wakes up for new keys to be programmed.. California quoted me $750 for al other labor itself. $300-500 for new keys on top of that.

Talked to my lock smith today. He said he tried looking for my biu but couldn’t find it. So that’s why he suggested to replace my ecus in general to try to sync to the car. But I realized that still wouldn’t allow him to reprogram my car unless he somehow wiped my biu and the other required module to let him program new keys. Now I leave the rest with Subaru.

All this key crap is criminal. You can buy an iPhone for the cost of a key. A key that costs probably 20c to build if not less.

yes....it's true. Don't forget that you can require, in all US, sometimes to Locksmith the pairing or new key. In Europe there's no liberalization of this market. Only official dealers do.

Newer model subarus as of right now I believe can't even be programmed by even the best auto lock smiths as of right now. They can if you have one that is already existing, but they won't be able to program any unless they're somehow able to wipe your modules allowing them to program new keys from scratch to the blanked modules. Older cars are great when it comes to locksmith.. tried over 9 auto locksmiths in my area none of them can do it. Might be the same for all other 86 models too.

If nothing else this will serve as a lesson to others to not wait until you’ve lost your last key fob to do something about it... two is one and one is none, make a copy while you still have one fob left and save a lot of future grief and expense.

Which is the boat I am in. I am down to my last one so I got two online for $60 and had the blades cut for $4 and was able to pair the remotes with Techstream but the pairing process for the transponder is failing. I am thinking the chips are blank on the keys I got. There is a device called a Magic Wand that will clone transponders. It’s $60. If it works it’s well worth the money. So in the end I would have 120 invested for two keys which is way cheaper than even a single key through the dealer. I am actually using the remote from the after market key because it gets better range than the OEM, even with the same battery.