2019 Toyota Corolla Hatchback & Sedan
 

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/20...-and-info-news

The design actually doesn't look half-bad. Also will come with a six-speed transmission.

It actually doesn't look bad the way it looks now. But the new one is fine aside from that huge screen sticking up above the dash

I don't like the headlights. Reminds me of the Prius.

Look much like the Renault Megane


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Like every modern car they ramble on and on about how nice the interior will be. I've never understood the importance of this.

Renault looks better IMO, like it was designed as a hatch. The Corolla looks like they decided to beat the tail with a mazda hatch so they could try it out without actually making a nice cohesive design.

That's the part you actually interact with on a near constant basis while driving. Most people care about that to varying levels - go count the complaints that the twin interior is cheap and spartan :cry: along with the not enough power complaints. I'll fully admit I'm not typically one that cares much about interior, but on a long road trip, some of that starts to matter more to me.

Lol it's possible that engine tuned with bolt-ons can make more power than ours if it can rev/breathe... 13:1 compression 2L. I doubt it will from the factory but that's pretty interesting...

Also I saw some of the pictures and had to check that they weren't of a Mazda 3.

Nice.

It seems to have D4S too.

Toyota Press Release

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases...2018+nyias.htm

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Hmmm, maybe the engine and 6 speed can be made to fit in my Spyder if my 2ZZ/C60 ever breaks.

I think this is the next gen engine but without the hybrid electric supercharger. The GR HV concept attached adds the ESC + batteries and probably beefed up components. Toyota has been hard at work developing this tech in the TS050 Hybrid WEC car. Toyota specifically points out this tech is intended for road car usage and the next 86 is the perfect platform for this (light and small so an extra 50bhp and tq are noticeable improvements.)

I expect this 2.0L due to international considerations for cars with engines larger than 2.0L. It should produce 230-270bhp and 200-210tq. The car will use the same 2+2 configuration once again for tariff and insurance purposes. Moving to a new engine configuration is also the reason Toyota dropped the boxer badge side badges and marketing from the FR-S when it brought the car in-house. No reason for Toyota to use anything but this engine in it's hybrid version of the car.

Yep, that would take me some getten used to ......;)


humfrz

Such a huge blind spot imo. And I already see plenty of people on the road who are seated way lower than they should be. Like, regular people whose eyes barely reach the dash. Imagine having a big ass display taking up even more height.

It looks to me like it was just stuck on as an afterthought.

In addition, it looks like it would be a big distraction ........ what the hell, people should be paying attention to driving their cars ..... not fiddling with an ipad ...... :sigh:


humfrz

I blame BMW/Mazda/whoever else at this point. Though the screen in my dad's Mazda 3 isn't too bad once you get used to it. But I still question whoever's responsible in the first place for the screen sticking out of the dash instead of recessed into the facade of it.

Of course then you have the Model 3 with the huuuge-r screen.

Neat another car to prove that enthusiasts don't buy new cars they say they will.

5 minutes later, and I'm still trying to figure out what you mean by that lol.

Internet says:
"We want lightweight cars!"
"We want fun cars!"
"We want manual transmissions!"
"We want practical hatchbacks not lame sedans!"
"Miata is always the answer!"
"Wagons!"

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2018/03...february-2018/

2018 YTD sales:
Mustang: 10,532
Challenger: 9,498
Camaro: 6,547
MX-5: 1,090
86: 678
370Z: 536
BRZ: 505
Fiat 124: 406

There have been more 911's sold this year than 86's+BRZ's or MX-5's+124's. Ford builds more F-series trucks per year than all of Subaru's cars combined.

The average internet enthusiast is unable to afford (or unwilling to pay for) a $5k Miata, let alone a brand new car. This Corolla hatch will sell poorly and the manual transmission in the US will be dropped within three years "due to lack of demand" probably two.

But in 8 years it'll be a 'top pick' on some website and command ~$2k more on the used market than the CVT and be featured on whatever takes the place of RCR and TST 10 minute car review with someone saying "wow this isn't so bad! Shame nobody bought them."

This exists to make a dent in the Mazda 3 and VW Golf, not much more. Toyota is slowly making their cars a little more engaging, but this model is a safe bet to import from other regions and move ~20k units in the US with minimal efforts from Toyota USA, which is more than the 86 will sell btw.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...generation-im/


tl;dr I'm a cynical asshole, the US is only getting this car because it's a safe bet, this is not indicative of an overall trend of Toyota transforming into a company that builds fun cars across their lineup, it'll do well enough to justify it's import fees. If it's a letdown it's just another stake in the coffin turning cars into appliances.

I think Saturn started it ...... :iono:


humfrz

Ahh... The old Yaris/Echo style centre dash... Don't miss those. :barf:

The sideview is a little disorienting. Are the wheels absolutely massive, or are the brakes unbelievably tiny?

If you look at the parking lot render with the white car, brakes are more appropriately sized for the wheels. Blue is likely shown with optional +1" wheels.

Is this just the iM/auris?

I think someone at Toyota corporate was sad to see the Tc die after they killed Scion and decided to salvage the would-have-been Tc redesign. Probably not really.

https://www.netcarshow.com/Scion-tC-2014-1600-04.jpg

I agree that it looks French. Renault or Peugeot.

It's nicely styled. Too bad small cars are fast-dying in America. Maybe the the next-gen Corolla will adopt some of these design elements - but probably the target demo of 60+ women would be confused and offended.

2 things here.

1: I believe that the sub-prime lending trend for new car financing has created the new-car market to be a bit inflated. Once the car-loan crisis hits (like the home-loan crisis of 2008), new cars may be a lot more affordable. When I see people taking out 7+ year loans on a car I'm just shaking my head knowing that's not a sustainable reality.

2: So much [good] advice floating around about how buying a new car is dumb dumb dumb. The new-car vs slightly-used car value delta needs to narrow some.


Bonus round: People are ditching compacts/sedans for trucks/suvs/crossovers and until gasoline starts to get really expensive I wouldn't expect that trend to change.

I like it. Saw the prototype at Indy Grand Prix of Long Beach but too much crowd to get decent pics. Looks good in person, but could be better with a slightly aggressive lip kit. If I had a need for a car like this it would be my first pick, but the


tl;dr - need Rocket Bunny

I vaguely remember when Corollas used to be a small car.

You can blame Honda for this way before your time.

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1992 was my time!

If they are going to copy the old Mazda 3 hatchback at least find the right shape to do so.

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Looks like it's in the way from the low angle of the picture. But it's actually not in the view of the windshield when you sit in the seat. Where it's located isn't going to increase/decrease drivers looking at the screen. Having it higher will be safer to keep your eyes on the road.

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The more I look at it the more I see how it will inevitably inspire the MY2022~23 86 redesign. Not that its terrible or anything, but I see a lot more boy racer in our car's future.

Are you going off the picture that @Juvenile posted? Because that front lip/aero/bumper strongly reminds me of the TRD bumper/lip for the FRS/86 already.

Last night when I saw the picture I thought it was inspired by those to be honest.

Eh, looking to buy a reasonably priced AT Hatch/Wagon soon, why wait for this over the Civic? Weaker engine, more complicated injection system & transmission, I don't expect it to be nicer without costing more so I'll probably end up with a Civic hatch or Mazda3 before the year is out. I should check out the Impreza but I just keep forgetting it exists.

But dat composite valve cover, long stroke, engine will be shared with a small crossover, expect fat mid-range torque.

Handles better than the civic hatch. Same price/slightly less than the civic.

That's a dubious claim, it's based off the 2015+ Prius platform, not exactly being praised for handling right now. The base '18 Corolla sedan is only $300 cheaper than the Civic sedan, I'll be very surprised if the hatch comes in any cheaper.

I'll throw a few hundred bucks Honda's way to shave a second off that 0-60 time, C&D is estimating >8s 0-60 for the new 'yota whereas the Civic Hatch CVT is hovering around 7.0
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review

They're not too positive on the '18 sedan's handling capabilities either (note the comparisons are for the 2.0L NA Civic & outgoing Corolla engine, not the 1.5L turbo)
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-driver-page-4

Weight will be the same, ~3k lbs for both, maybe a slight edge to the Civic as I've seen <2,900 reported some places. TTAC saying 3,000 for the Corolla hatch.
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/20...t-second-time/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...tomatic-review

I already know I can bolt on the rear sway bar from a Type-R, $100 from the factory to get that extra bit of rotation along with pulling the alignment pins out of the front for an extra 0.3 degrees of camber, 8" factory wheels (and shared chassis dimensions with the Civic Type R) mean I can cram 245's in there if I can get the SO hooked on autox or keep it relatively affordable with 225's. Not sure what the Corolla can stuff under the fenders but Tirerack was only showing me 225's when I looked (it will upgrade tire sizes if applicable, like for the FRS/BRZ when shopping for 9" wheels). Not to mention the easy to crank up the turbo if the SO gets interested in feeding it more gas for smiles.

Thanks for making me look into this more, the Corolla is unlikely to be a contender for me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not set in my ways, but the current sedan doesn't seem to be a promising contender and there's only so much engineering they can do, on paper the only thing that looks like it swings in the Corolla's favor is the shorter wheelbase maybe a more comfortable ride... And I guess the pretty blue color and the drift car they sponsored. If there's one on the lot I can test drive before I buy something else I will, but if not I don't think I'll be broken hearted about it.

I drove both. If you can take the test drive on some spirited runs, you should.

The civic has more power potential and yeah it probably will have a better aftermarket.

As far as pricing. The Corolla Hatch only has 2 grades, the Civic Hatch has 5 grades so pricing varies. Both SE and XSE are pretty well equipped.

BTW even though Hatch and Sedan may both be on TNGA platform, the Hatch is a different vehicle, has different suspension, active cornering, and if you have CVT, it holds your you at a higher "gear" during spirited cornering instead of up-shifting you unnecessarily.