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-   -   Kenwood DDX918 Released! (https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126081)

JBezugs 03-14-2018 09:46 AM

Kenwood DDX918 Released!
 
http://www.kenwood.com/au/car/visual...duct_large.png

New version of the DDX WS series has been released. Lots of updates for 2018, including an updated interface with faster processor, a higher quality DSP (my past life as a Car Audio diehard/current life as an AV Systems Design/Engineering Consultant have me drooling here), support for 360 degree cameras, and probably most importantly, a 720p screen with higher brightness and better viewing angles.

More info here: http://www.kenwood.com/au/car/visual...tion/ddx918ws/

This may have pushed me over the edge to replace the outdated Fujitsu Ten unit in my Canadian 2017!

tehShirt 03-14-2018 10:00 AM

That looks great, but I wish they sold a LHD/US version.

JBezugs 03-14-2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehShirt (Post 3058091)
That looks great, but I wish they sold a LHD/US version.



That makes two of us. They did make a LHD version 2 generations ago with the DDX916WSL, but it was only sold in the Latin American market and is IMPOSSIBLE to find (I’ve tried).

willimusk 03-14-2018 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tehShirt (Post 3058091)
That looks great, but I wish they sold a LHD/US version.

I don't see the need for the left-hand drive screen, myself. I have the DDX917WS. Touching controls on the right is not a problem at all: they are barely farther than the shift knob. And frankly, with steering controls, I never use those buttons anyway. Plus, Apple Carplay allows you to relocate its source icons to the left if you choose.

tehShirt 03-14-2018 11:25 AM

@willimusk that's a good point about being able to swap the sides.

JBezugs 03-14-2018 11:48 AM

Kenwood DDX918 Released!
 
Additionally, I’ve just noticed the DMX718WBT has been released which doesn’t include CarPlay/Android Auto, however it does have native control of Wase and Spotify (what I use primarily in my vehicle from my phone). It will be at a lower price point.

This is tempting.

Chimera 03-14-2018 11:57 AM

hmmmmmm.. my GF wants my pioneer unit in her car b/c she likes that the resistive screen on it works with her nails.. maybe its time to upgrade...

wolffbite 03-16-2018 02:21 PM

I have the DDX917WS and can confirm it is awesome, and if you have steering wheel controls the touch buttons on the "wrong side" are no issue. I use steering wheel and voice commands to control everything with android auto, rarely touch the screen.

This will be way more enjoyable than your stock unit... it brings the stock speakers to life and I think it sounds way better.

el-guapin 03-16-2018 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolffbite (Post 3059230)
I have the DDX917WS and can confirm it is awesome, and if you have steering wheel controls the touch buttons on the "wrong side" are no issue. I use steering wheel and voice commands to control everything with android auto, rarely touch the screen.

This will be way more enjoyable than your stock unit... it brings the stock speakers to life and I think it sounds way better.

+1

Sc629 03-16-2018 11:56 PM

What's the best way to get one of these imported?

Willie Swoopes 03-18-2018 08:52 AM

I'm guessing they will probably be available on eBay shortly. DDX917WS is.

I'd like to go this route too.

Can a functioning novice install it without too much trouble?

Does it include all (the useful) features of the original infotainment system? I have a 2017 limited. From the description it looks like it has everything plus some more.

How about the harness. Will it require an additional purchase? Does it fit behind the original bevel so it looks like it was made to fit or will I need spacers?

Is the main feature over the DDX917WS a faster interface? Looks like it has more camera inputs too.

Have I used up my allotment of questions, or can I ask more?:thumbup:

Bill

Kordless 03-20-2018 10:27 AM

No Wireless Android Auto? Kind of a bummer. Alpine and BMW already have wireless CarPlay tech, what's the hold up on wireless Android Auto?

willimusk 03-20-2018 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kordless (Post 3060861)
No Wireless Android Auto? Kind of a bummer. Alpine and BMW already have wireless CarPlay tech, what's the hold up on wireless Android Auto?

The 917ws has wireless Air Mirroring for Android Auto, with on-screen app control, so I'd be surprised if the 918ws does not. I've never used it, though.

For CarPlay, unfortunately, mirroring is only one way, with no on-screen app control in the 917ws. Don't know about the 18.

el-guapin 03-20-2018 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willimusk (Post 3060914)
The 917ws has wireless Air Mirroring for Android Auto, with on-screen app control, so I'd be surprised if the 918ws does not. I've never used it, though.

For CarPlay, unfortunately, mirroring is only one way, with no on-screen app control in the 917ws. Don't know about the 18.

There is a patch available to enable wireless mirroring on iphone.
CarbonCarSystem
I applied this to mine and it works.

willimusk 03-20-2018 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el-guapin (Post 3061012)
There is a patch available to enable wireless mirroring on iphone.
CarbonCarSystem
I applied this to mine and it works.

Right, but it is only one way. You cannot control the apps from the HU screen, unlike with Android Auto.

el-guapin 03-20-2018 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willimusk (Post 3061081)
Right, but it is only one way. You cannot control the apps from the HU screen, unlike with Android Auto.

Keep in mind that CarPlay and wireless mirroring are two different things. CarPlay only allows you to use select native apps. And only via USB. Wireless mirroring, even though is one-way, let’s you play all apps. Video and sound!

Unholypanda 03-26-2018 01:03 PM

I was just getting ready to do the head unit in my BRZ. Would it be worth t to wait for this to pop up somewhere. Will it be priced similar to the 917?

DAEMANO 03-26-2018 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unholypanda (Post 3063829)
I was just getting ready to do the head unit in my BRZ. Would it be worth t to wait for this to pop up somewhere. Will it be priced similar to the 917?

If anyone knows it will be these guys, contact them. Let us know.
https://carboncarsystems.com.au/prod...udio-packages/

Unholypanda 03-26-2018 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAEMANO (Post 3063867)
If anyone knows it will be these guys, contact them. Let us know.
https://carboncarsystems.com.au/prod...udio-packages/

I just remembered I have an old friend in AUS that I’m going to try to contact and see if he can help me out. I don’t think it’s going to be available until sometime in April though.

el-guapin 03-26-2018 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unholypanda (Post 3063829)
Will it be priced similar to the 917?

I got mine from New Zeland for $1199($875 USD). I'm selling my 917WS. Check it out HERE

Unholypanda 03-26-2018 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el-guapin (Post 3063931)
I got mine from New Zeland for $1199($875 USD). I'm selling my 917WS. Check it out HERE

Where did you order it?

Surok 03-26-2018 10:55 PM

thanks for the wireless carplay patch for the 917!

el-guapin 03-26-2018 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unholypanda (Post 3063989)
Where did you order it?

The 917WS I got from a forum member two weeks ago. The 918WS a relative visited NZ with his college rugby team. He bought it for me

el-guapin 03-26-2018 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surok (Post 3064141)
thanks for the wireless carplay patch for the 917!

NP! :thumbsup:.. Unfortunately for me, it does not work on the new 918WS

Racecomp Engineering 03-27-2018 01:05 PM

Does the DDX918 or 917 offer actual wireless Android Auto or is it wireless screen mirroring? Or are they close enough to the same thing that I shouldn't care?

- Andrew

wolffbite 03-27-2018 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 3064387)
Does the DDX918 or 917 offer actual wireless Android Auto or is it wireless screen mirroring? Or are they close enough to the same thing that I shouldn't care?

- Andrew

917 only has wireless mirroring (miracast over wifi), android auto requires a wired connection.

They are pretty different. AA will only allow you to use apps that are specifically released for it (google maps, waze, google music, spotify to name a few). Mirroring will give you a 100% reproduction of your phone screen on your head unit, which means access to ALL your apps. For android auto at least, you can use the head unit to control your phone via touchscreen.

Miracast will be huge battery drain if you don't plug in your phone though, as you are basically streaming between your phone and head unit wifi. From what I recall in my research on head units this is the main reason why wireless android auto/carplay is not really a thing (yet).

Edit: Well it looks like they are starting to release them with wireless AA... http://www.kenwood.com/usa/car/navig...edia/ddx9705s/

Racecomp Engineering 03-27-2018 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolffbite (Post 3064414)
917 only has wireless mirroring (miracast over wifi), android auto requires a wired connection.

They are pretty different. AA will only allow you to use apps that are specifically released for it (google maps, waze, google music, spotify to name a few). Mirroring will give you a 100% reproduction of your phone screen on your head unit, which means access to ALL your apps. For android auto at least, you can use the head unit to control your phone via touchscreen.

Miracast will be huge battery drain if you don't plug in your phone though, as you are basically streaming between your phone and head unit wifi. From what I recall in my research on head units this is the main reason why wireless android auto/carplay is not really a thing (yet).

Edit: Well it looks like they are starting to release them with wireless AA... http://www.kenwood.com/usa/car/navig...edia/ddx9705s/

Gotcha, and yeah I was just doing some reading. I'm considering adding a second USB port to the center console near the cig lighter so I could plug my phone in there.

- andrew

el-guapin 03-27-2018 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering (Post 3064429)
I'm considering adding a second USB port to the center console near the cig lighter so I could plug my phone in there. - andrew

I did something similar. But I replaced the cig lighter with one of THIS
One for carplay and the other AA or anything else.

azonic 03-27-2018 10:23 PM

here's a short guide I wrote recently on the center console USB mod

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126106

toast 03-28-2018 12:36 PM

These are available on ebay with free shipping for $679

EDIT: Nevermind, those are the 917s...

timurrrr 10-08-2019 04:14 AM

Got my DDX918WS installed in my '17 BRZ recently using the Carbon Car Systems harness and, as many have reported on the DDX917WS thread, my backup camera didn't work.

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolffbite (Post 3174734)
I have the carbon harness as well, but my issue was with the backup cam. They were adamant the 6v/12v converter was not required but my camera did not work until I got a local shop to inspect the harness and add a converter.

I would not be surprised if the issue is with your harness.

In fact, for me the camera did work when the engine was off, but was showing a black screen when the engine was running. It caused me a few WTFs and re-doing the installation a few more times than I should have. I eventually figured it had something to do with the voltage: when the engine was off and the voltage was in the 10–12V range the camera worked, but at 14V it would stop working.

Having done a little more research and with help from my friend (I know you're reading this — thank you again!) we've inserted a PAC VOLT-39 (available on Amazon) set to 6V in between the head unit and accessories harness — and now everything just works!

Since I know how frustrating it can be to deal with this, I've decided to share the details of what we did. You should be proficient with a soldering iron, and have everything needed for soldering readily available. Also, no guarantees that it will work for other MYs — use your own judgement/intuition and be prepared to improvise.

1) Find the camera/accessory power and ground on the 28-pin connector on the CCS harness and the red and black wires connected to those pins. You might find this post with pin out table for MY16 useful.

Here's how it looked on my harness:
https://i.imgur.com/F2RyAiJ.png

2) Undo the cloth insulation around the cables leading to the connector to have at least 2 inches of cables exposed.

3) Cut the power and the ground wires in the middle of the exposed area and solder the VOLT-39 cables like this:
- VOLT-39 black cable to harness ground (Y-shaped connection)
- VOLT-39 red (~12V power in) and blue (trigger) cables to the head unit side half of the harness red cable (Y-shaped connection)
- VOLT-39 red-and-white (6V power out) cable to the connector side half of the harness red cable

Like this:
https://i.imgur.com/6zL0hSX.png

Minor correction: now that I know the result, I'd solder the VOLT-39's black cable the other way around so that it has a bit less mechanical stress when the VOLT-39 itself is taped to the harness. Not a big deal though.

4) Enjoy!

BA9092 11-25-2019 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timurrrr (Post 3264936)
Got my DDX918WS installed in my '17 BRZ recently using the Carbon Car Systems harness and, as many have reported on the DDX917WS thread, my backup camera didn't work.



In fact, for me the camera did work when the engine was off, but was showing a black screen when the engine was running. It caused me a few WTFs and re-doing the installation a few more times than I should have. I eventually figured it had something to do with the voltage: when the engine was off and the voltage was in the 10–12V range the camera worked, but at 14V it would stop working.

Having done a little more research and with help from my friend (I know you're reading this — thank you again!) we've inserted a PAC VOLT-39 (available on Amazon) set to 6V in between the head unit and accessories harness — and now everything just works!

Since I know how frustrating it can be to deal with this, I've decided to share the details of what we did. You should be proficient with a soldering iron, and have everything needed for soldering readily available. Also, no guarantees that it will work for other MYs — use your own judgement/intuition and be prepared to improvise.

1) Find the camera/accessory power and ground on the 28-pin connector on the CCS harness and the red and black wires connected to those pins. You might find this post with pin out table for MY16 useful.

Here's how it looked on my harness:
https://i.imgur.com/F2RyAiJ.png

2) Undo the cloth insulation around the cables leading to the connector to have at least 2 inches of cables exposed.

3) Cut the power and the ground wires in the middle of the exposed area and solder the VOLT-39 cables like this:
- VOLT-39 black cable to harness ground (Y-shaped connection)
- VOLT-39 red (~12V power in) and blue (trigger) cables to the head unit side half of the harness red cable (Y-shaped connection)
- VOLT-39 red-and-white (6V power out) cable to the connector side half of the harness red cable

Like this:
https://i.imgur.com/6zL0hSX.png

Minor correction: now that I know the result, I'd solder the VOLT-39's black cable the other way around so that it has a bit less mechanical stress when the VOLT-39 itself is taped to the harness. Not a big deal though.

4) Enjoy!

Resurrecting this thread since I just got the DDX919WS and the plug-n-play Carbon Car Systems harness for my '18 BRZ and having issues with the rear view camera.

The CCS harness already came with the PAC Volt-39 unit already attached and taped in the loom.

Everything works perfectly with the exception of the rear view camera. It works in ACC on mode but not when the engine is running.

Since everything is Tesa taped together, I can't see if the Volt-39 wires are attached as they should be (like in your photo above.)

Any ideas?

timurrrr 11-25-2019 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BA9092 (Post 3278415)
...

Any ideas?

Replied in the other thread where you've asked the same question.
Consider not resurrecting multiple threads at once with a question that can be answered in just one of them :)

timurrrr 06-23-2020 04:03 PM

Exciting news!

I stumbled upon these instructions on how to run RaceChrono via Android Auto, and it seems to work:
https://i.imgur.com/JAz6IGb.jpg

The short version is:
  • Have a rooted Android phone (buy a $90 Motorola E5 if you don't want to root your primary phone, or if it's an iPhone)
  • Use AA Stream to cast your phone display on the head unit
  • Keep the phone screen on (inconvenient, but not a big deal)

I'll try that at my next track day and report how well it works. So far I did a few "laps" around my block and it worked fine.

timurrrr 07-06-2020 06:13 PM

I tried it at the track yesterday and boy I wish I found that hack earlier!
Here's a video from my helmet, you can see the head unit in action:
https://youtu.be/XtPEM2Tzi8c

The initial setup is a little finicky, and "force fullscreen" doesn't work reliably (works ok if I turn it off), so I have to leave small gaps on the side of the screen. But other than that the apps worked really well.

Compelica 07-08-2020 03:52 AM

@timurrrr have you tried Screen2Auto? That app includes AAStream and AAMirror features and is recently updated... would possibly work better :)

https://forum.xda-developers.com/and...phone-t4062787

timurrrr 07-15-2020 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Compelica (Post 3347436)
@timurrrr have you tried Screen2Auto? That app includes AAStream and AAMirror features and is recently updated... would possibly work better :)

https://forum.xda-developers.com/and...phone-t4062787

Thanks for the recommendation!

I've just tried it and it seems to work better, at least the "plug and go" scenario.

https://i.imgur.com/bSEiuaP.jpg?1

The app itself needed some tinkering to get it working the way I want though. But now it utilizes the whole screen, which is nice.

It also periodically shows up a "Failed to connect to <my car name>" message, but I haven't noticed any real issues around it.

Will take it for a spin next time I'm at the track/AutoX!

Compelica 07-15-2020 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timurrrr (Post 3349360)
Thanks for the recommendation!

I've just tried it and it seems to work better, at least the "plug and go" scenario.

The app itself needed some tinkering to get it working the way I want though. But now it utilizes the whole screen, which is nice.

It also periodically shows up a "Failed to connect to <my car name>" message, but I haven't noticed any real issues around it.

Will take it for a spin next time I'm at the track/AutoX!

Nice work!

timurrrr 09-04-2020 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by timurrrr (Post 3349360)
Will take it for a spin next time I'm at the track/AutoX!

Works great, except I keep accidentally pressing the "green phone" button on the steering wheel while on track, which opens the Phone app :bonk:
I remember I disabled that button mapping before, it's strange that it got reset somehow...

Anyhow, on this video you can see me leaving the Phone app and opening RaceChrono via Android Auto while setting a PB on a racetrack :bellyroll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct4L6gD2d5A

The data comes from a DIY CAN reader but OBD-II would be a good starting point if you're not into DIY stuff.


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