2013 FRS engine failure at 62k
 

My 2013 Scion failed tonight, i did not do the 60k maintenance but did all the scheduled oil changes and I have 62k miles. I do have a Toyota 7 year extended warranty because my car was one of the first FRS with the CEL issue and my car sat at the dealership for 42 days. Do you guys think Toyota will honor my warranty?

Sorry to hear that.

I don't see why not. Do you have any mods?

Only mods I did was a TRD CAI and Perrin catback

What happened? "failure" is pretty broad. How was the car used? Driven hard? Street only? Daily driven?

im sorry to hear that bro :(

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So what happened?

Crazy. What month was your car manufactured? Seems like the first off the lines had the most problems.
That and a lot of the times it seems like these cars are a hit or miss. There are guys running over a 100k boosted miles. Some of the early turbo guys were running the car at 530+whp on stock internals for thousands of miles.

Well, that's a bummer......:(

What did your car fail to do .. ??

Whether or not the warranty would cover it would depend on a lot of things ....??


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Dam, thats scary, I am driving at 50k miles 2013 frs too.
I track and daily.

What failed? There is a lot to the engine. I ask because I drive one built in 2012

I was driving on the highway and heard a clicking noise that gradually got louder and the engine just conked out. I tried to restart, the engine did fire for a second but no go, I hope Toyota honor my 7 year warranty because it sounds like a major repair or engine failure.

Was the oil level good?

What was oil level?

Got 130k km on mine and only the TOB is just going out now, but engine is still good. Have taken her to redline at least once a week.

Mine was made in Aug 2013

Yeah, how was the oil? Was it leaking or burning? Any idea what CALID (rom version) you were on?

Oil light never came on, but it was half quart low. I drive a lot highway miles pushing my engine hard but these cars are made to run at high RPMs. I do have my RPM limit t 7k. I just hope Toyota honor my warranty, that was the only reason I kept the car after having the CEL issue. Do anybody else on here that had CEL issue have engine failure?

"CEL issue" doesn't mean anything. What was the problem that caused the CEL?
The most common reason that warranty is denied is no proof of oil changes or inspection that shows low oil as the probable cause of failure. That is why everybody is asking about the oil level. If oil level was good and you can prove it was changed then the warranty should be no problem.

1/2qt low shouldn't lead to rod bearing failure. You will need to elaborate on what "CEL" issue you are referring to.

If it is the number 4 bearing then it is the common failure mode. Be willing to bet a tear down shows silicone chunks in the oil channels.

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My 2013 was one those first FRS with the CEL issues with the ECU and Toyota gave me the factory 7 year warranty because I was concern about future problems down the road.

This one?


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These are exactly what happened to my 2013 BRZ with 55k. I showed proof of proper oil level and oil change receipts. It was silicon blocking oil to bearing 4 but was most likely caused by a repair done by the dealership to fix the timing cover leak I was experiencing. Since I was able to prove that the car was taken care of, they didn't argue with me about warrantying the work. Just food for thought.

As Tcoat mentioned, RTV blocking the smaller oil feed is quite common.

To be clear it is a common failure mode on engines that blew a bearing not necessarily a common occurrence.
There are about 25 recorded cases (on this forum) of bearing failure and maybe 7 or 8 of those were known to be the plugged oil channels. Don't want everybody with a 13 to think the sky is falling when the known numbers are actually miniscule. Doesn't make thing better when you fall into that minority though.


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Lol yes common cause of spun bearings in a stock setup. Mines a 2012..

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Man I'm sorry to here that bud. Just curious what oil brand/weight you where running and how many miles in-between the typical oil changes?
I'm pulling for ya that the dealership honors the warranty.

Sorry to hear. Keep us updated. Yes these engines are supposed to be able to be "pushed hard" as you state but they do fail because of oil starvation.(I wish Subaru would extend the warrantee on the 2013's because of the silicone issue blocking oil flow and fess up to the issue)

Just got a call from the local Toyota stealership, they said I have to pay a $380 diagnostics fee to see if my extended warranty will cover repairs. This is BS i pay for extended warranty and have to shell out money. I kept my cool and told them i was not happy about their policy but they said if Toyota decide to cover the repairs, they waive the diagnostics fee. Its going to be Monday before i hear anything, will update when I hear something, keeping my fingers crossed.

That is pretty standard everywhere even with warranty work. It costs them money to do the inspection and if they did just a few a day with no income they would soon be out of business. Like they said you don't pay if it is indeed warranty. Remember it isn't the dealer that pays for warranty jobs it is Toyota or a third party in the case of some extended warranties. They are businesses with bills to pay and people to keep employed.

Isn't there a standard rate for their inspections? I paid $145 when they were "diagnosing" my TOB issue, even though I walked in telling them exactly what was wrong. I figured that was their standard rate for inspections. Maybe they charge more if they're pulling apart the engine as opposed to the transmission?

Maybe worth mentioning that someone with the same car paid $145 for a dealer diagnostic fee. ~$400 seems a bit steep just to tell you what's wrong with the car.

The rate varies depending on how complex the inspection is.

Dealership just informed me my FRS engine failure was due to an internal problem that threw the timing off and burned up my valves and lifters. Estimated repair is over $11k, Toyota head engineer is coming out to inspect the car to see if my Toyota extended warranty will be honored. I ask my service agent if the problem was due to a spun bearing, he said no. I just hope they do the right thing and honor my extended warranty, I will know the decision in a few days.

Well that is a different one!

Dealership just informed me that Toyota will be honoring my extended warranty. The ECU had stored 3 to 4 codes showing the VVT Variable Valve Timing threw the timing off to cause damage to my valves. Its over 11k to repair thank God Toyota did the right thing. I thinking about trading in for a Porsche 718s Cayman.

I just got my FRS back, total bill was $11,602. The CEL code was 895011, They told me no. 3 rod went bad so they had to rebuild my engine instead of replacing it with a new engine which costs $6500. They replaced the short block, ECU, VVT, values, lifters and both cylinder heads. The cause of my engine failing was due to the VVT gears stuck causing timing to over advance. Fortunately I had a 7 year Toyota extended warranty to cover all work.

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They rebuilt your motor by replacing the short block and both cylinder heads? That is a new engine, they just got to charge the warranty for all the labor to assemble it.

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The problem was determined to be due to loss of oil pressure causing no.3 rod bearing to turn and fall apart. The metal from the rod bearing mixed in with the oil and was carried out thru the engine .