New member. Need suggestions/thoughts on mods I want to do.
 

Hey guys car semi-noob here. Just bought a 2017 Toyota 86! Has about 2300 miles on it now.

So far only switched out the trans and diff oil with Gear 300 and dimple magnetic plugs for the drain and fill plugs for both trans and diff.

Next thing I have on my list are 18x9.5 +35 Volk te37 SL wheels wrapped in Michelin 255/35 PSS.

Then KW V3 coilovers.

After that headers and exhaust. Looking at Ace EL merge header with 350 collector and Invidia r400 exhaust.

On to the tune, I have no idea on where to start with what tune to go with but have looked at delicious tuning.

Any opinions on any of these mods? Is there anywhere I'm going wrong?

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Drive the car until you find something you think could use replacing.

Literally no sense in throwing money at the car until you know what you "need".

Source: Someone who threw a lot of money at the car before I realized what I actually wanted was way more simple than my "goals"

You will think we are all sad and unimaginative pessimistic haters for saying this. Most of us have been through the experience.

You are asking about a direction without stating your goal. What are your goals? Money aside.
Do you want to mod for sake of modding? Do you want to have an IG following and hard park?
Do you enjoy handling aspects, do you want to go into motor-sporting activities/driving this car as Toyota gods intended to? :)

While it sure is fun to throw money and "forum cred/quality/race" parts on the car, I agree with Cole in a way. But if you're going down that rabbit hole, do it exponentially, savour each piece separately.

Drive the car, drive it on the street as appropriate, drive it in abandoned parking lot at night if you feel naughty and assume the risks of that, or just plain go join auto-x, hpde or whatever activity.

Research alignment, understand how that affects driving experience. You will notice an immediate difference just by spending first $100 on that.

Tune the stock engine/header first if you want. See what that feels like. Then maybe go further for header? Got bored of that? Go FI?

The parts you are listed are all excellent quality pieces, community darlings sort of thing, but if you slap all of that on, you might miss out on the fun of "getting there".

Personally, drive it stock for half a year, or a year. Then decide to do the basics.

Everything sounds good except for your tires and wheel choices. Mpss are dog shit. (Personal opinion, don't get butt hurt)

But really exhaust and tunes are too much money for little gain for the amount of power.
gain.

Better off going Turbo/super charged. Just my 2 cents.

That is a lot of tire you are proposing for a stock car. Personally I think that'd sap a lot of fun out of the driving experience.

I agree with the posts above - drive it first and decide what you don't like about it, set some goals, work on changing those things. Unless you have unlimited monies.

Hi ya, Logikal Reazon, congratulations on your purchase and welcome to our forum ...... :clap:

Good looking machine you picked out ...... :thumbsup:

Saying what was said above, a slightly

Mods? Is there something wrong with the car the way it is ..??

What do you want it to do that it can't already do ..??

The answers to those questions will lead you to the mods you may wish to consider .....:)

Enjoy your new machine.


humfrz

LS swap it.

I can speak directly to this. I'm running 18x9.5 +35 RPF1s with those exact same tires, so it's almost the same setup. I should say that I don't track my car, but use it as my daily driver around town, on a lot of long highway drives and on curvy public roads for recreation whenever I can find them. Your results may vary depending on how you intend to drive it.

On the rear, they're great. Where the stock tires would cut loose, these just hold on like I'm on rails. This car still has plenty of power to break them loose intentionally if you want, but I can take corners with the PSS much more aggressively than the stock tires could handle. Since I personally think drifting is kind of stupid, the difference in cornering was a huge improvement for me.

HOWEVER, on the front it sucks ass. The steering went from feeling light and nimble to heavy and mushy. The effect is not as bad at higher speed, but for just driving around town a lot of the live thrill of the car's handling is sucked right out of it. About the only good thing I can say about them on the front is that lift throttle oversteer isn't an issue with that fat contact patch.

If I had to do it again (and at some point I probably will), I would either go with a narrower square setup or a staggered setup with narrower rims up front. I feel like the car can handle the wide tires in the rear, but the steering is deadened so much it was a considerable disappointment.

BTW, those wide rims all around look awesome. But the looks aren't enough to overcome that disappointment in the steering wheel.

Aren't you supposed to be in detention today ........ ??

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humfrz

Obviously people are mentioning the wheels.... take the advice with grains of salt. It all depends on your goal for performance.

The mods in general are a good progression, but plan your FI method now, since obviously the headers won't work with a turbo kit. Power gains NA are not impressive for the money spent so plan your power mods around your eventual choice in FI.

I got out early. Mom forgot my lunch

You're a good sport, there, Jordanwolf ....... now, just learn NOT to put your tongue on a frozen metal gate ...... ;)


humfrz

Don't mod just because you want to mod. No point in blowing all your hard-earned money only to find out you don't like what it's become.

Slight change of wording. "Don't mod because other people tell you to mod". If somebody want's to mod that is fine but they shouldn't do it just because they read that is what everybody else is doing.

Yep, best listen to ol Tcoat ....... he had the "fever" back-in-the-day ...... :eyebulge:


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humfrz

Nah, skip planning around FI and plan around the eventual v8 swap or even thinking more into the future plan for selling the 86 and
getting a BMW M2 or a Alfa 4C. Really I'd just save all the hassle and sell the car right now and just get a gently used 488GTB or Porsche GT3.

We've had a few guys being unhappy after going in cycles of mods and dumping the 86 for a more powerful, slightly more expensive cars and then regretting it ;)

Of course once you have the means to go to upper echelon like GT3 or 488, I doubt 86 is relevant, or questions about what to bolt on is relevant, I'm assuming you shit with money and you may just get and mod an 86 each year and try all different directions for mods. Unless you keep the little 86 for grocery runs while the beast sits waxed up in a garage :)

Like I said, its a rabbit hole, like with anything in life, you need to define boundaries and how far or where you are willing to go.

But it is funny that we went full circle with guy just getting the car and ultimate conclusion is, just sell i now haha.

I prefer metal flag poles.

Ahhh ...... yes, that would make sense ........ every school has one of those.

So, do you have your favorite window on the short bus, that you put your tongue on ....... :iono:


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humfrz

Are you going for all show no go? If you're looking to fill in the gaps with what's wrong with this car, you have to start by filling in the torque dip- power mods.

255/35 why? That is WAY too much tire for this car N/A. If you're going for all show no go (and no fun) then this is perfect I guess. But then you mention header and exhaust which means a tune too- so you want show and go? In that case.... too much tire unless you boost it

Many, many people, especially auto crossers would disagree.

while true, he is talking about 18 inch rims and pss tires so i dont think thats what hes going for.

First off thank you for replying and your advice, it's much appreciated.

I love this car, the way it looks the great handling it has however there are things that I want to change. I do plan on keeping this car for a long time.

These mods will represent a sort of "Phase 1" for me, altering the looks and sound while trying to hammer out the torque dip.

I do plan on keeping the car NA until all of these mods are complete then plan on supercharging it and doing other mods to go along with higher horsepower.

I don't plan on stancing it or making it a drift machine. I love the balance and grip the car has now and while I don't plan on autocross or tracking it I do want it to have the ability to. However passive that may be. I want it to be a grip monster.

Short term goals:
1. Achieve the look I'm going for
2. Remove torque dip while NA
3. Retain grip/handling

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How big would you go up front to retain the nimble steering but also increase the overall grip?

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Save yourself $400 in that 255/35 you want and look at the Firehawk Indy 500. I was sliding all over the place with MPSS, they didn't last very long and now I stick to the ground with that Firehawk Indy 500.

Thank you for the welcome sir!

I have stalked these forums since before I bought my car and always appreciated seeing your input.

As far as what I want/don't want goes here are my short term goals.

1 .achieve the desired looks I want (wheels I like, ride height a bit lower while still maintaining handling)

2. achieve the sound that I want (headers and exhaust)

3. remove torque dip


My overall goal:
I want my 86 to be a grip monster with decent power. I don't want to run 1/4 miles, drift or stance the car. I want to be able to run mountain roads or tracks and just stay planted. I also want my mods to prime my car for the eventual SC.


Thanks again for your time!

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I don't know. My experience has only been with the stock setup and the 18x9.5 rims. Obviously I would go less than 9.5", but I have no idea where the sweet spot is without experimenting further.

SC is in the future.

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Just trying to get the look/sound right now, power will come later.

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Will the headers do fine with SC?

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Yes. You could also tailor the ACE headers for certain types of SC and where you would want the power band shifted to.

@CSG Mike should be able to answer any question regarding the choice of header.

@Impureclient - not sure why the snarkiness in your earlier quote. I have seen it happen too many times on this forum where people don't plan for their long term goal.

I want to SC it eventually, went with that size hoping to sort of have the car "grow" into it's grip.

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Will they still have a good life for DD?

Thank you for the advice sir!

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A car with too much grip for its power is boring. A car with too much power for the grip is fun. Also teaches you to drive better.

If you are dead set on changing stuff out of the gate, I'd start with the tune and exhaust. Yeah it's less flashy but you will enjoy driving it more while saving for the next thing. I would definitely be laughing at the car with 255s and a stock exhaust if I saw one, but not the car with the extra umph and sound on stock tires. You will also get more use out of the tires you've already paid for.

1. Until now, what is the most powerful car you've owned or driven regularly?

2. Assuming you own the car outright, aside from the cost of fuel, how much money per year do you expect to spend on it?

3. Do you work on your own stuff?

I run 265 tires and a stock exhaust. And a rather large wing.

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@Logikal Reazon the best advice I can give you is to define your end goal, and then figure out how to get there.

A gently used 488 and GT3 is a rather large range...

1 . 400hp 2000 Mustang GT

2. 48 month 0% interest, 5k-10k

3. Yes I will do my own work. Learning as I go.

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That's sweet looking! Thank you!

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