BRZ to Genesis Coupe
 

So around three months ago I left your ranks and traded in my 2013 BRZ for a 2015 Genesis Coupe 3.8 Ultimate. So I would like to share my experience and thoughts on this switch.

First I must say the Genesis is a gorgeous car inside and out. Being the Ultimate edition, it has all the bells and whistles. 19” wheels with Brembo brake calipers, rear spoiler, sun roof, beautiful tan leather interior and the Infinity sound system with nav. Big difference from the somewhat bare interior of the BRZ, which I get the reasoning behind it.

And boy can this car move. 348hp and 295 ft/lb of torque, it is a rocket. But with that said, there are some things I miss from the BRZ.

Without a doubt the BRZ is a much more nimble car, and much lighter too. I don’t feel as confident driving winding roads in the Genesis as I did in the BRZ. The steering in the BRZ is more precise and better road feedback compared to the Genesis. The Genesis sports an 8 speed auto transmission with paddle shifters. My BRZ also had an auto transmission. The paddle shifters in the BRZ are definitely quicker than the Genesis. And overall I think tranny shifts smoother in the BRZ. I am still getting use to how the throttle feels in the Genesis. The size of Genesis is larger which I am still getting use to. My last two cars were the BRZ and a Mercedes SLK before that. Both smaller.

In closing I really do love the Genesis. It is a good mix of performance and luxury. And you gotta love that 3.8 V6 under the hood. But I still have a warm spot in my heart for the BRZ. I appreciate even more what Toyota/Subaru were trying to achieve with the 86 platform. A true barebones driver centric sports car. And they nailed it perfectly!

If you had a manual you would have loved it even more (BRZ). I drove a Genesis and while it's a great GT the 86 platform is just too hard to beat for it's intended purpose.

The Genesis Coupe is a nice car, but more of a grand tourer than a nimble sports car (pretty much what you’ve observed). I owned a 2011 2.0t back when the Genesis Coupe first came out and my sister still owns a 2013 2.0t and she loves it. It’s kind of sad that Hyundai has nixed it, now they have no rwd performance cars left. I considered a 3.8 with a manual transmission in my recent car search, but every time one with decent mileage and a manual transmission popped up it sold very quickly.

Hyundai. That is enough.

And that means what?? Hyundai and Kia (I also have a Kia Sportage) have been making some damn fine cars lately. The quality of my Genesis is outstanding, and it has 33k miles on it. No rattles or strange noise and the interior materials are not cheap feeling at all. Same in my Kia.

Rumor is they will be coming out with a more luxurious coupe under the Genesis brand name now that they separated it from Hyundai.

Thanks for sharing...at my dealership we get Genesis as trade-ins for WRX’s, STI’s, and BRZ’s of course. I’ve driven some here and there.

They’re very different from BRZ’s. They are borderline into Pony Car territory but the ride is actually a bit refined at the expense of balance, nimbleness, and raw handling. So for someone who likes everything about the BRZ it may not be their cup of tea, but it will satisfy those who longed for more power and space that the BRZ couldn’t offer.

Check out the Kia Stinger and compare to the Genesis next ~
Both GTs pretty much .. just more luxury in the stinger

@Bluesman62 how do you find the electronic aids? I had a BK2 2.0T and my biggest complaint was that the TC/SC was so bad, it bordered on dangerous. Is the 3.8 any better?

Sure.

No complaints yet. But I am still in the learning phase as it were. Having all that extra power does keep you on your toes. At least with me. I have never owned a car with this much hp and torque, so don’t want to get too crazy.....yet!

Not really a rumour since Hyundai has said publicly that this is the plan. I will be watching closely when they do release the new branded coupe since it could be of interest to me.

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I've thought about picking up a used Genesis Coupe 3.8L manual. Seems like a good mix of power and comfort. I'd use it as a DD and save the FR-S for weekend/track duty.

Did you consider the Mustang GT, Camaro SS and G37 also?

While I do like the Mustang, they are everywhere down here in Florida. I do like the look of the Genesis better, kind of like a bigger version of the BRZ. Also I like the interior better over the Mustang and Camero. The G37 is a nice car, but they are less hp and torque then the Genesis and cost more.

Also the Hyundia warranty is hard to beat.

Mustangs are everywhere period.

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Me to.

I was considering a Genesis just before they discontinued it. I'm not a big fan of buying second hand, (I know its dumb so please no preaching) so that left the Twin.

If the Genesis Coupe was still available it might have won the race to my driveway if not on the track.

I will also never buy used again. Somebody has to buy new for there to be used ones so all the guys preaching "never buy new" are sort of shooting themselves in the foot with their arguments.


If I hadn't accidently stumbled on the FRS while simply killing time odds are that I would have been driving a last gen Genesis coupe at this very moment.


The whole "but it is a Hyundai so it is crap" thing went out the window at least 10 years ago when they really upped their game. They now easily meet or beat Subaru in all aspects of quality.

A colleague at work has a manual trans '16 (I think) Genesis 3.8 Track version which I've driven a few times. I'll just summarize the good parts by saying it's got a stonking motor. The transmission feel is good, but not as good as the '86. The clutch has a hair-trigger feel to it, especially compared to ours with it's long range of engagement..somewhere in between the two would be perfect. It's sprung stiffly, but you still feel the weight. The Brembo brake package is nice looking, and I assume it performs well when used aggressively, but I wouldn't know. Proportionally, it's like a 5/4ths version of the '86. I like the simpler interior and dash of the '86 as well. The power would be nice, but the rest of the car falls short when compared to the 86, at least in terms of sport. It is indeed a more GT-oriented car than ours.

Interesting. I've concluded that the BRZ is, for me, the perfect GT. My DIL had an earlier Genesis with an auto. It was a pretty troubled car. I hear they upped their game and maybe someday, I'll drive one (when the new edition debuts). For now, though, little to no interest from this quarter.

eh, in the truest sense of what a GT car is, think the Genesis plays that role a lot better than the twins..as wiki puts it ...though the definition is vague, considering the twin's spartan interior and the least compliant suspension (compared to 4 cyl/V6 muscle cars/genesis), I don't think that was the mission here even though it is called a "GT"86 :D

It is for me as well, but I prefer a more spartan car than most. Radio means nothing to me unless I'm in traffic, and even then it's just a way to distract me from the monotony of stop-and-go driving. I could care less about the quality...a single speaker would suffice. As far as HVAC goes, I have a window...nuff said. If there was a way to install roll-up windows, I would...

Auto-tragic. Never understood why people buy sports cars with automatic transmissions. Kind of defeats the purpose, but just my opinion.

With that kind of money to spend, why not get a used Lexus GS or RC? Toyota's NA engine is world class, much better than whatever Hyundai can offer.

So buying a Ferrari 488 defeats the purpose?

Not all automatic transmissions are built the same. The same can be said for manual transmissions as well, some just are built poorly.

:popcorn:

Reminds me of a guy who said the following, and I quote:

"Turbos and force induction is cheating, real cars have 8 cylinders with loads of low end toque, I will never understand people who buy cars with turbo units, it's cheating."

People who make statements like that belong in the same category as people who once said:

"Why do we need a windshield, whats wrong with goggles?"

OR

"I will never understand why people buy cars, whats wrong with a horse and cart"

OR

"Why do we need a wheel, whats wrong with walking?"

OR.

"Why do we need a spear, whats wrong with a rock?"

And it goes on and on and on and on.......

Now remember I'm not trying to insult your opinion on automatic gear boxes, I'm just stating my opinion on Luddites.

I drove my brother in law's 2013 Gen Coupe 2.0T with the 8-speed.

The first thing I noticed was the size, though that probably has more to do with the higher beltline. Visibility also seemed worse overall. The engine sounded miles better than the FA-20. But considering the FA-20 is little more than a box of bees and gravel set to tumble dry, that makes sense. The steering felt vague though sufficiently quick. I liked the interior layout more; it felt more modern with all of the curves. The base stereo didn't suck. I'm not sure it felt faster. The extra torque helped at low speeds, but when going full throttle the car seemed to take its time to build speed. A tune, intake and exhaust would probably take care of that and make it that much quicker. I didn't like using the paddles. Downshift felt slow.

I would like to try the 6-speed Gen Coupe, though I might prefer the V6 because it does sound quite good, though much heavier over the nose.

I understand modern automatic transmissions are faster (GT-R for example), but don't try and tell me they offer the same driving experience. Also, I don't know if I would consider any Ferrarri a sports car. Definitely in the supercar class. Plus, I could buy a whole fleet of 86's for the price of one of those lol.

I understand your point. It's why I qualified my comment with the "for me." Like @Ventura, I don't mind the lack of amenities. I seldom listen to the radio in a car and then it's usually only if I'm shanghai'd into driving some sort of land barge or I manage to find an NPR station running their quiz shows.

My wife and I did a 4k mile road trip in the BRZ early last summer. Neither of us had the slightest complaint about the spare interior, the seats were much more comfortable than in her Camry, the suspension was plenty compliant, and the cabin noise not overly intrusive. I guess my definition of what a GT is differs from most. But, it IS my definition. :iono:

If I fit in a Porsche it might make an interesting GT. I don't - at least not in one I can sell an organ to buy. So, the BRZ it is.

I agree with all of this. I like to buy new when I can but that's not always possible. I shopped a 2013 3.8 coupe, while looking for a new car at the time. Couldn't bring myself to buy a first year car...ie frs, and I didn't really want a payment so large for the coupe so a new gti won out as it was drastically cheaper. But after test driving the coupe, Hyundai was making a nice car worthy of a second look and consideration.

indeed, im not saying that the twins can't be used in a GT fashion, I've taken plenty of road trips with mine but to say it is the perfect GT is being a little blissfully ignorant ;)

Ahem...

Consumer Reports 2017 Reliability

1 Toyota
2 Lexus
3 Kia
4 Audi
5 BMW
6 Subaru
7 Infiniti
8 Buick
9 Honda
10 Hyundai
11 Nissan
12 Mazda
13 Porsche
14 Mercedes-Benz
15 Ford
16 Volkswagen
17 Chrysler
18 Chevrolet
19 Acura
20 Jeep
21 Tesla
22 Lincoln
23 Volvo
24 Dodge
25 Ram
26 GMC
27 Cadillac

You don't offer one of the best warranties in the business and make shit cars and not go out of business... Kia and Hyundai are the same company so it's odd one is so much lower, but it might be because of the full size Genesis luxo-barge and how luxury cars in general are reliability nightmares.

Nice tidbit was that the BRZ was Subaru's most reliable model.

ZL1 1LE

HP, Torque, Handling, extremely sophisticated chassis...all in one package.
No auto trans allowed here.
Priced at around $73,000, it's really a bargain

I had forgotten about the awful GenCoupe clutch. It was a dual mass flywheel and horrible, quirkey and hurky jerky. The auto, though I never drove one, had a problem where they were useless in something like autoX because when you selected a gear manually, it'd still upshift automatically, you couldn't hold the revs up. The reliability of the trannies (manual and slushbox) was not very good either.

I do miss that 2.0T kick in the ass though. It took me a while to adjust to the N/A 2.0 with no cajones.

Yeah..... there is also a huge numbers thing going on there. Hence the Brz being the most reliable car. Its because its the one sold the least and driven the least in the lineup.

And I Disagree. On both scores. :sigh:

how would you rate something like a NA mk4 supra as a gt car compared to the 86, is it more perfect? saying you don't listen to the radio or have any problem about the interior so therefore makes it perfect for you is like you showing us a chick with no bod but since you don't mind those features shes the perfect girl for you :D

And if I thought she was, she would be, wouldn't she? You seem intent on forcing your standards (first wrt to cars and now, women) on everyone else? Why? Again, the BRZ is, FOR ME, a perfect GT mount. It's small, it's light, it rides on rails at the speeds I usually drive it, it'll do interesting things if I push it a bit, it holds two close friends comfortably, it has plenty of luggage space for two, the seats are comfortable for 8hr driving days, it returned 34 mpg overall on a trip that included a couple of days in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and it's just down right fun. I told my wife when I bought it that it's a rough equivalent of a BMW R1200RT with 2 more wheels, airbags, doors, a roof, AC and Heat. I still think it is, and for nearly the same price as the Bimmer.

A Corvette Grand Sport has potential, but I haven't driven one, don't know if I fit and it diverges from the small and light rule. For me, at this point in my life the BRZ is what I said it is.

That said, you (and everyone else) should feel free to buy and drive cars that you feel are perfect for you and, by all means, tell people about them. I promise not to critique your taste in cars (or women), and how you make use of either one (unless you abuse them).