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007BRZ 11-15-2017 03:26 PM

CAUTION: 2017 REAR CAMBER ARM PROBLEM with Performance Package
 
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I just put on KW Coils and the Camber is out in the rear. I was told I need Rear Camber Arms. YES I DO.


****THE ONLY REAR CAMBER ARMS TYHAT I HAVE FOUND FOR THE PERFORMANCE PACKAGE (BREMBOS) IS THE VELOX 7000 SERIES FROM VERUS ENGINEERING*******


I ALSO AM NOT SURE IF THAT INCLUDES ALL 2017 BRZ'S AND '86'S
THEY WILL BE INSTALLED ON NOV. 17, 2017

Racecomp Engineering 11-15-2017 03:30 PM

Maybe I'm missing something...what exactly is the problem? Are you suggesting that most rear LCAs don't fit with the brembos?

- Andrew

Code Monkey 11-15-2017 03:40 PM

Or go with the uppers. :)

VIP BRZ 11-15-2017 03:50 PM

Its like he's trying to communicate something...

Azzudien 11-15-2017 03:54 PM

My vote for most confusing thread I have read today.

finch1750 11-15-2017 04:02 PM

Subscribed for WTF is going on

D_Thissen 11-15-2017 04:06 PM

WHY ARE YOU YELLING??

mav1178 11-15-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 007BRZ (Post 3005256)
****THE ONLY REAR CAMBER ARMS TYHAT I HAVE FOUND FOR THE PERFORMANCE PACKAGE (BREMBOS) IS THE VELOX 7000 SERIES FROM VERUS ENGINEERING*******

I want to bet real money that the SPC rear arms also will work for the Performance Package.

Let's bet.

x808drifter 11-15-2017 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by VIP BRZ (Post 3005275)
Its like he's trying to communicate something...

It's sometimes hard to understand "Floridian"

ka-t_240 11-15-2017 04:36 PM

What are your pictures trying to tell us, and what actually is the issue?

8RZ 11-15-2017 04:48 PM

As a fellow Floridian....


WUT?

JazzleSAURUS 11-15-2017 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3005308)
I want to bet real money that the SPC rear arms also will work for the Performance Package.

Let's bet.

I'm in, but I've spent all my money on car parts. Can I bet my RCG4's? Or maybe my OEM RGR's?

Yeah, OP should of just taken some measurements and bought some SPC's. I think there's a set in the classifieds for $130 right now. :bonk:

FirstWinter 11-15-2017 05:21 PM

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Think all rear lower control arms will work across all model years regardless of the BBK. I think the real issue however is this:

mav1178 11-15-2017 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS (Post 3005342)
I'm in, but I've spent all my money on car parts. Can I bet my RCG4's? Or maybe my OEM RGR's?

I wanna bet $3.50

JazzleSAURUS 11-15-2017 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3005349)
I wanna bet $3.50

I'm trying to capitalize. If I go hard on a 'sure thing' maybe I can get my RCG4's back, and a set of Electras. :drool:

Azzudien 11-15-2017 05:32 PM

I put the original post into google translate, than I tried several different languages, though I could not find Floridian.

Results:
I installed KW coils and by doing this it lowered the car substantially which put in excessive negative camber. Since there is no rear camber adjustment on the BRZ I had to buy LCA's to correct the rear camber.
When trying to find LCA's only 1 was listed for use on the 2017 PP cars on the websites

Brembo brakes and LCA could not be translated in the same sentence.

mav1178 11-15-2017 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azzudien (Post 3005360)
I put the original post into google translate, than I tried several different languages, though I could not find Floridian.

Results:
I installed KW coils and by doing this it lowered the car substantially which put in excessive negative camber. Since there is no rear camber adjustment on the BRZ I had to buy LCA's to correct the rear camber.
When trying to find LCA's only 1 was listed for use on the 2017 PP cars on the websites

Brembo brakes and LCA could not be translated in the same sentence.

Mr. Chairman, I would like to recognize the sacrifice made by the gentleman from the honorable state of New York.

finch1750 11-15-2017 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 3005323)
As a fellow Floridian....


WUT?


Downvote for lack of meme usage

Grady 11-15-2017 07:28 PM

I lowered mine an inch and was only out of limits -.4 deg on one side. Just bought the whiteline bushings, problem solved? Not going to track mine daily and need to adjust it all the time. Find one setting that works good and be done with it.

Clipdat 11-15-2017 08:17 PM

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Captain Snooze 11-16-2017 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Grady (Post 3005411)
I lowered mine an inch and was only out of limits......

I lowered myself 2 inches so I get those 6 inch stilettos to handle properly.

ka-t_240 11-17-2017 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Azzudien (Post 3005360)
I put the original post into google translate, than I tried several different languages, though I could not find Floridian.

Results:
I installed KW coils and by doing this it lowered the car substantially which put in excessive negative camber. Since there is no rear camber adjustment on the BRZ I had to buy LCA's to correct the rear camber.
When trying to find LCA's only 1 was listed for use on the 2017 PP cars on the websites

Brembo brakes and LCA could not be translated in the same sentence.

Sounds like you are too low.

007BRZ 11-22-2017 05:24 PM

Light Sensor Bracket
 
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Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzleSAURUS (Post 3005342)
I'm in, but I've spent all my money on car parts. Can I bet my RCG4's? Or maybe my OEM RGR's?

Yeah, OP should of just taken some measurements and bought some SPC's. I think there's a set in the classifieds for $130 right now. :bonk:


Well, I guess I was too technical in what I wrote. I will take that bet! If the rear camber arms you buy DO NOT have a bracket for the headlight sensor, You all have a problem in Houston. That's why my comment on the Verus arms ( See pictures)

007BRZ 11-22-2017 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Azzudien (Post 3005360)
I put the original post into google translate, than I tried several different languages, though I could not find Floridian.

Results:
I installed KW coils and by doing this it lowered the car substantially which put in excessive negative camber. Since there is no rear camber adjustment on the BRZ I had to buy LCA's to correct the rear camber.
When trying to find LCA's only 1 was listed for use on the 2017 PP cars on the websites

Brembo brakes and LCA could not be translated in the same sentence.



What LCA did you use? Did they have the sensor bracket for the headlight sensor??

x808drifter 11-22-2017 06:16 PM

How your OP should have been worded then....

Quote:

Beware if you need rear LCA for your 2017 PP.
To keep the headlight leveling working correctly you will need to make sure your LCA's come with a way to attach the sensor to them.

The only ones I could find that had a way to attach the sensor were the Verus ones.

nico_rsx 11-22-2017 11:25 PM

Not just the PP, but the BRZ limited (at least the 2017) also have the auto headlight sensor (don't know about the base version).

churchx 11-23-2017 12:48 AM

Stock alike like spc (and probably very similar whiteline & eibach) have attachment points for leveling sensor just like stock rear lca-s.

nico_rsx 11-24-2017 12:01 AM

While we are on the subject, how can the level sensor continue to work with coil-overs? I mean even with aftermarket LCA, if you change the height of the car doesn't it change the angle of the LCA? If yes, then do you have a way to adjust the angle of the sensor according to the height you adjust the coilovers?

churchx 11-24-2017 03:46 AM

nico rsx: this or something similar self-assembled, no?

nico_rsx 11-24-2017 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by churchx (Post 3009060)
nico rsx: this or something similar self-assembled, no?

Yes, I think something like this would be required, but when people talk about lowering their BRZ and changing the LCA, I've never heard them talk about changing that part. Only that the LCA need to have the mount for the sensor. Maybe the rod is already adjustable on our car. I haven't look.

mav1178 11-24-2017 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 007BRZ (Post 3008526)
Well, I guess I was too technical in what I wrote. I will take that bet! If the rear camber arms you buy DO NOT have a bracket for the headlight sensor, You all have a problem in Houston. That's why my comment on the Verus arms ( See pictures)

No, you were not too technical in what you wrote.

What you wrote (Performance Package, "Brembos") had nothing to do with the auto headlight issue.

Perhaps next time word your post properly, something like "The 2017 Performance Package requires specific arms for use with the auto headlight level adjuster."

mav1178 11-24-2017 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nico_rsx (Post 3009140)
Yes, I think something like this would be required, but when people talk about lowering their BRZ and changing the LCA, I've never heard them talk about changing that part. Only that the LCA need to have the mount for the sensor. Maybe the rod is already adjustable on our car. I haven't look.

Most other systems for auto level headlights reset the sensor when you start the car.

This way, the headlight can compensate for a loaded trunk vs an empty trunk.

The only issue I can think of is if the car is lowered past the adjustment range of the sensor or the movement of the rod. Then you might run out of room for the rod to provide sensor feedback.

Tcoat 11-24-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3009146)
No, you were not too technical in what you wrote.

What you wrote (Performance Package, "Brembos") had nothing to do with the auto headlight issue.

Perhaps next time word your post properly, something like "The 2017 Performance Package requires specific arms for use with the auto headlight level adjuster."


More like this: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123568

nico_rsx 11-25-2017 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mav1178 (Post 3009147)
Most other systems for auto level headlights reset the sensor when you start the car.

This way, the headlight can compensate for a loaded trunk vs an empty trunk.

The only issue I can think of is if the car is lowered past the adjustment range of the sensor or the movement of the rod. Then you might run out of room for the rod to provide sensor feedback.

What I'm thinking is that lowering the car has the same effect as loading the trunk, because it probably change the angle on the LCA, so the headlight would compensate by pointing down because it's thinking the rear is more compressed than the front, but since your lowering also the front, the headlight end up pointing down.
This is all based on the assumption that lowering the car change the angle of the LCA. If not, what's the difference on the LCA between lowering the car and putting weight in the trunking?

mjanmohammad 11-30-2017 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nico_rsx (Post 3009036)
While we are on the subject, how can the level sensor continue to work with coil-overs? I mean even with aftermarket LCA, if you change the height of the car doesn't it change the angle of the LCA? If yes, then do you have a way to adjust the angle of the sensor according to the height you adjust the coilovers?

You can use the adjustment on the back of the headlight on a flat surface to adjust them back to center. There is an 8mm bolt you turn to manually adjust.

I had to do the same thing when I lowered my 17BRZ and got aftermarket LCA. worked like a charm, took 15 minutes, no need for additional parts.

nico_rsx 12-02-2017 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mjanmohammad (Post 3011221)
You can use the adjustment on the back of the headlight on a flat surface to adjust them back to center. There is an 8mm bolt you turn to manually adjust.

I had to do the same thing when I lowered my 17BRZ and got aftermarket LCA. worked like a charm, took 15 minutes, no need for additional parts.

I hadn't thought about that, really interesting answer. I didn't know there was still a manual adjustement on the headlight. I'm guessing you have the automatic sensor adjustment on your BRZ?
What LCA did you use?

Thanks a lot

mjanmohammad 12-02-2017 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nico_rsx (Post 3011834)
I hadn't thought about that, really interesting answer. I didn't know there was still a manual adjustement on the headlight. I'm guessing you have the automatic sensor adjustment on your BRZ?
What LCA did you use?

Thanks a lot

I'm using the Megan Racing LCA, they had a spot on them to attach the leveling sensor but they were pointed all wrong after the install. Adjusting the knob on the back of the headlights worked like a charm.

Hamza 01-09-2021 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by mjanmohammad (Post 3011840)
I'm using the Megan Racing LCA, they had a spot on them to attach the leveling sensor but they were pointed all wrong after the install. Adjusting the knob on the back of the headlights worked like a charm.

I broke the lca 10mm bolt on my '13 86 and was just wondering to not bother with replacing but just adjust manually. When you adjust manually do you have to disconnect the sensor (I'd assume when you start the car it resets and lowers/raises the light again) or does it remember how you set it?

Grady 01-11-2021 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 007BRZ (Post 3005256)
I ALSO AM NOT SURE IF THAT INCLUDES ALL 2017 BRZ'S AND '86'S
THEY WILL BE INSTALLED ON NOV. 17, 2017

Yes all lower control arms for BRZ’s and 86’s and FRS’s installed on November 17, 2017 had to be Verus. Now that it is not that date anymore you are free to install any lower control arm you wish. This was a part of Obama care act on page 1296 paragraph 3.

norcalpb 01-11-2021 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nico_rsx (Post 3009321)
What I'm thinking is that lowering the car has the same effect as loading the trunk, because it probably change the angle on the LCA, so the headlight would compensate by pointing down because it's thinking the rear is more compressed than the front, but since your lowering also the front, the headlight end up pointing down.
This is all based on the assumption that lowering the car change the angle of the LCA. If not, what's the difference on the LCA between lowering the car and putting weight in the trunking?

You would want this if you didn’t want to manually adjust the lights from the back.

https://www.kamispeed.com/products/c...RoC2sMQAvD_BwE


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