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Pure Automotive 10-24-2017 02:44 PM

Pure Auto's Swap Compilation Thread - 2JZ and LSX !
 
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First of all, I'd like to thank Photobucket for completely ruining all my other threads by asking me for $400 a year to host my photos to third party sites :(

This will be our new compilation thread of everything new and swap related here at Pure. For those that don't know me, I'm Brady, the owner here and we have been in the 86 world since November 2012. We did alot of the first turbo and supercharger milestones and got involved in doing swaps in late 2013. We pride ourselves on making the engine swap as easy as possible for the end user. That unfortunately is the cheapest, but is the best way!

Lets cover all of our swaps in the order they happened:

My personal car/the shop car was the first to go under the knife and get the LS2 swap. The swap was very exciting to do, especially back then, when only a handful of people had even considered it.
We used a primitive swap kit and made it work but had quite a few issues getting the electronics sorted.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4506/...2d65daf5_z.jpgFRS2_zpse2bc41db by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4479/...c00283f7_z.jpgphoto2_zps86a0aa56 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4457/...cfb74041_z.jpgphoto1_zpse1f9ff1e by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

[ame]http://youtu.be/0hblcljn1nA[/ame]


Enter: The mighty 2JZ

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4489/...cae4bfd0_z.jpgIMG_0495_zps19d15ba7 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

I was always enamored with the idea of a 2JZ swap because I thought this platform would make a great baby supra and also make a great drag racing platform. So after we found some decent mounting solutions to get us jump started, we pulled the LS2 and went to work!

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4457/...5659305b_z.jpgIMG_0506_zps06d57cc4 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4482/...d86560bd_z.jpgIMG_0523_zpsc72d0bd3 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

Then We Got A Little Crazy With the Paint


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/...d3a04fed_z.jpgIMG_1771_zpstchbg62e by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4447/...cca5868e_z.jpg2jz_zpsqthydodd by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4504/...c0c64027_z.jpgfrs2j by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

Then We Just Went Plain Crazy With It and Became the Fastest Full Bodied, Stock Chassis 86 In the World!
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4505/...da94e4d0_b.jpg7DF58EC3-3D85-45FE-9745-EB700DF6329B_zps4bnj2emf by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

[ame]http://youtu.be/6fGNsCEmF40[/ame]

[ame]http://youtu.be/GQPAaUAOaSc[/ame]

Now that we've built a full blown race car, lets take what we've learned and make it easy for everyone to have!

This is our MoTeC M130 Plug and Play Kit


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4461/...25b5c34d_k.jpgIMG_0817 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

You’ve Put a 2JZ into your 2013-2107 86 Platform, how are you going to make it run and still use all the factory functions and amenities of your car?
After trying numerous methods of getting a 2JZ Swap to work in the Scion FRS/Subaru BRZ platform, buying multiple wiring harnesses with various issues, and spending countless dollars on other company’s “Solutions”, we decided to take matters into our own hands.
Swapping a 2JZ into any car is not for the faint of heart. It requires a laundry list of parts to make it fit right, run right, and drive right. Physically putting the engine into the car is fairly easy using all of our swap parts. Buying Go-Fast parts for your 2JZ engine is pretty straight forward. But getting it to run in a car it didn’t originally come in, that is an entirely different issue.
The FRS/BRZ electronic system relies heavily on CAN BUS. That makes it very difficult to make basic amenities, such as the gauge cluster, work with the swapped engine. Supras and other 2JZ cars output different signals than the FRS/BRZ. Many people have tried short cutting this, but it never quite works like factory.
So how do you make it work? You find an ECU that’s intelligent enough to convert the swapped engine data, into something the car can understand! With our kit, you will be able to bridge the communication gap. We have teamed up with Obsidian Motorsport Group to develop a complete package that will make swapping your FRS/BRZ a breeze!
What Factory Functions Do I Get to Keep?
OEM Power Steering -OEM Electronic Throttle Pedal -OEM Gauge Cluster -OEM Wheel Speed Sensors and ABS System -OEM Fan Module Control -OEM Fuel Pump Module Control
What does MoTeC offer for your setup?
The real question is, what doesn’t it offer? MoTeC is the pinnacle of control and customization for your setup. Endless possibilities for customization await you. Everything from basic functions like boost control to fully customized traction control!

We developed this kit on our first full street setup car. This is Donnie's car. He wanted a badass street car with all the factory amenities and that's exactly what he got. This car makes a little over 500whp with a 5 speed trans, stock engine, just simple maintenance upgrades, a 62mm turbo, and our prototype swap intake manifold!

Here's some pictures of that swap and the swap video explaining how it all works!


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4447/...dc244548_b.jpgIMG_8505_zpszra29od4 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4469/...336f4012_b.jpgIMG_8504_zpsbpaujjkb by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4507/...cd67d868_b.jpgIMG_8502_zpsogmzcktn by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4499/...100034b2_b.jpgFBA22EDB-F7A0-4F58-BD9A-52D95F1513B6_zpsl3qe7mwi by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/...9e6ca9d0_b.jpg37073DB1-13D9-487D-B10A-A78CAA21571C_zps6bkr1iml by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

[ame]http://youtu.be/2DD0ObbQJ2k[/ame]

[ame]http://youtu.be/YR_kQgv4lts[/ame]

Then we build @spitfire481 's car !

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4448/...36d53f1c_b.jpgjoe (1) by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

Then We Took What We Built With the 2JZ Swap Platform, and Made It Work For LSX Engines!


Part 1

[ame]http://youtu.be/Axt_AiE6wg8[/ame]

Part 2

[ame]http://youtu.be/H2oq7VIOUuI[/ame]


And Then We Went All Out! LSA Blower and TH400 Transmission!

[ame]http://youtu.be/GctyNTPSvNM[/ame]

What's Next?

You're next! We are always ready to help you out with your swap, we sell everything that we install, we are always updating our website with more swap parts! www.pureautomotiveperformance.com/shop

Stay Tuned for More Updates and Product Announcements!


FRS/BRZ/GT86 Swap Intake Manifold for For 2JZGTE

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4482/...e5f5bbbe_k.jpgIMG_2302 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4456/...9b1ba1ad_k.jpgIMG_2303 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/...8f1fc55c_k.jpgIMG_2304 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4457/...556b34f7_k.jpgFullSizeRender (4) by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

Pure Automotive 10-24-2017 04:27 PM

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ILLSMOQ 10-24-2017 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive (Post 2995898)
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So much awesomeness in the first post! You guys rock! I can’t wait to try mine out!

Slammillionaire 10-24-2017 05:22 PM

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pgranberg11 10-25-2017 06:19 PM

So essentially, all anyone would need other than the swap kit is the transmission, engine, throttle body (according to your website) and engine mounts? probably some fabrication to the trans tunnel as well I'm guessing? Very high level overview, but just to get the jist of things...

Pure Automotive 10-25-2017 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pgranberg11 (Post 2996440)
So essentially, all anyone would need other than the swap kit is the transmission, engine, throttle body (according to your website) and engine mounts? probably some fabrication to the trans tunnel as well I'm guessing? Very high level overview, but just to get the jist of things...

That's correct. The real nickels and dimes come from turbo parts, intercooler, injectors, sensors, engine upgrades, etc. That stuff adds up quick.

Irace86.2.0 10-25-2017 09:22 PM

Did you guys do the w58 from a NA Supra or a R154 from a mk3 on the customer‘s car?

Pure Automotive 10-25-2017 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 2996509)
Did you guys do the w58 from a NA Supra or a R154 from a mk3 on the customer‘s car?

It was an R154, but if you're thinking of going 5 speed, keep in mind that those transmissions are not very strong. That customers car made 500 and ended up eating a couple gears.

Zer0 10-26-2017 01:59 AM

@Pure Automotive Do you guys have a electronics package for the Gen V LT4? I have been collecting the hard parts but will need a MoTeC ECU to plug into a C7 harness. I found a few that are developed for the C7 as a direct replacement for the stock ECU, but I want it set up for the swap into my FR-S.

Pure Automotive 10-26-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 2996585)
@Pure Automotive Do you guys have a electronics package for the Gen V LT4? I have been collecting the hard parts but will need a MoTeC ECU to plug into a C7 harness. I found a few that are developed for the C7 as a direct replacement for the stock ECU, but I want it set up for the swap into my FR-S.

That's not going to happen. We spend weeks developing the firmware to interface and I can't see anyone else spending LT4 money when an LS does basically the same thing. Why not just do an LS?

Zer0 10-26-2017 01:02 PM

@Pure Automotive I wanted a factory built GM performance motor. I was going to go LS3, and turbos later. Doing more research I figured LSA would be a better starting point already built for a little boost. Supercharged, and a good candidate to turbo later. After more research I found the LT4 comes with forged pistons, more power, DI, and still built for a little boost, and supercharged. I didn't even look at the LT4 for a while because of the issues it had when it was first released. Looks like they got the early issues resolved, so it looks like a good option now. I think it's my best option as a starting point. Good power, and could handle turbos with conservative boost levels when I'm at that stage.Thanks for the information though. Excellent work on all your swaps they look as good as they perform.

DustinS 10-26-2017 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 2996707)
I think it's my best option as a starting point. Good power, and could handle turbos with conservative boost levels when I'm at that stage.Thanks for the information though. Excellent work on all your swaps they look as good as they perform.

New or used? Why not a built LS for the same price? My LS3 is rated for 10 less HP N/A and is Fully forged. A few of the good shops will even offer a warranty on the engine as well.

Zer0 10-26-2017 04:40 PM

:threadjacked:New it's a swap I don't want anything uncertain if I had issues at start up I would suspect the engine if it were used, or the builder if it we're a fully built motor from a shop. I might consider a fully forged unit from a shop but getting it to pass the ref in California would be impossible. At least with stock I have a chance. Your build is sick to @DustinS.

Let's let them have their thread back.

rob 2fast4u 10-26-2017 09:05 PM

Im in the process of building a built 3L 2J with a cd009 into my BRZ. Im just at the point of painting it since I got it salvaged,... I'll start posting more and make video's as I get progress going on it. you can view my instagram too if any of you want https://www.instagram.com/rob.corriveau/

Pure Automotive 10-26-2017 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 2996813)
:threadjacked:New it's a swap I don't want anything uncertain if I had issues at start up I would suspect the engine if it were used, or the builder if it we're a fully built motor from a shop. I might consider a fully forged unit from a shop but getting it to pass the ref in California would be impossible. At least with stock I have a chance. Your build is sick to @DustinS.

Let's let them have their thread back.

If LT4s come down in price I'd be all about doing it, but I haven't seen them for less than 10k. I can barely get people to do swaps using 2k engines lol. I sent my MoTeC dev an email just to make sure it's not something I can do for you easily. I'll let you know if I hear good news.

Zer0 10-26-2017 10:13 PM

Excellent. It won't need to communicate with the FRS can bus systems as most are eliminated. I just need the AC, power steering, motorsports traction control without the abs unit, and engine. You know the easy stuff lol. Any information helps.

spitfire481 10-27-2017 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 2996925)
Excellent. It won't need to communicate with the FRS can bus systems as most are eliminated. I just need the AC, power steering, motorsports traction control without the abs unit, and engine. You know the easy stuff lol. Any information helps.

you still have to have the canbus communication to run the power steering ecu, and that will not work without a working abs module since the wheel speeds are sent to the abs unit then broadcast over canbus

Zer0 10-27-2017 06:14 PM

Yeah it will get a false signal to get power steering it won't be variable like stock. Later on I will work on a variable torque output based on the speed sensor in the transmission.

Pure Automotive 11-15-2017 06:32 PM

Another 2JZ Swap Going Down.... This time is VVTi and CD009 ! I'll probably start a new thread, keep an eye out for Budget Swap 2.0

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4555/...475f6e2f_k.jpgIMG_3098 by Brady Johnson, on Flickr

Pure Automotive 11-24-2017 02:29 PM

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Black Friday- Cyber Monday !!!

Pure Automotive 11-25-2017 11:48 AM

[ame]http://youtu.be/GQPAaUAOaSc[/ame]

Stevemode 12-14-2017 12:02 AM

Stopped by Pure Automotive a couple months ago when I was in town. A very cool shop doing awesome things for exactly what I'm building. Brady took the time to give my son and I the tour and I only wished I had the funds to ship one of everything right then and there. In do time it will be done. :23:


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cf6mech 12-14-2017 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pure Automotive (Post 3009438)

Very strange in the video it shows the rear diff with rear mount with OEM bushings and bolts removed, am I missing something here, it doesnt seem like they are working on it....i.e. bolts missing.....and why with all that power OEM bushings? Most guys with this much power have a solid mount.

spitfire481 12-15-2017 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cf6mech (Post 3016446)
Very strange in the video it shows the rear diff with rear mount with OEM bushings and bolts removed, am I missing something here, it doesnt seem like they are working on it....i.e. bolts missing.....and why with all that power OEM bushings? Most guys with this much power have a solid mount.

It has a 9" in it. We don't use the rear mount locations, we have different mounts welded to the rear subframe

DustinS 12-15-2017 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cf6mech (Post 3016446)
Very strange in the video it shows the rear diff with rear mount with OEM bushings and bolts removed, am I missing something here, it doesnt seem like they are working on it....i.e. bolts missing.....and why with all that power OEM bushings? Most guys with this much power have a solid mount.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4536/...f9359fd3_b.jpg

You can see the diff mount.

Jaden 01-09-2018 01:47 PM

you're not going to pass the ref in California with a motec period..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 2996813)
:threadjacked:New it's a swap I don't want anything uncertain if I had issues at start up I would suspect the engine if it were used, or the builder if it we're a fully built motor from a shop. I might consider a fully forged unit from a shop but getting it to pass the ref in California would be impossible. At least with stock I have a chance. Your build is sick to @DustinS.

Let's let them have their thread back.

Cali swaps require you to use the stock ecu. No Motec, MS's, etc allowed...

Jaden

Zer0 01-09-2018 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaden (Post 3025855)
Cali swaps require you to use the stock ecu. No Motec, MS's, etc allowed...

Jaden

It will run off a stock GM ECU with a stock tune.

Jaden 01-10-2018 12:38 AM

Then pure automotive isn't your solution
 
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Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 3026132)
It will run off a stock GM ECU with a stock tune.

Pure Automotive's PnP option uses a Motec 150, so you'll have to use one of the other solutions.

Jaden

Irace86.2.0 01-10-2018 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zer0 (Post 2996813)
:threadjacked:New it's a swap I don't want anything uncertain if I had issues at start up I would suspect the engine if it were used, or the builder if it we're a fully built motor from a shop. I might consider a fully forged unit from a shop but getting it to pass the ref in California would be impossible. At least with stock I have a chance. Your build is sick to @DustinS.

Let's let them have their thread back.

Just FYI, to pass the state ref you will need a motor the same year or newer than your car. You will also need to have all emission equipment in place and unmodified. If you modify the exhaust precat then you will fail, so you need to find a motor with an exhaust system that fits without modification. This is also the case for the intake unless you can find an EO# for an aftermarket intake that fits the bay; most OEM boxy intake won’t probably fit our engine bay.

Zer0 01-10-2018 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3026199)
Just FYI, to pass the state ref you will need a motor the same year or newer than your car. You will also need to have all emission equipment in place and unmodified. If you modify the exhaust precat then you will fail, so you need to find a motor with an exhaust system that fits without modification. This is also the case for the intake unless you can find an EO# for an aftermarket intake that fits the bay; most OEM boxy intake won’t probably fit our engine bay.

2018 LT4 Wish me luck. I can cut and weld the chassis all I want:burnrubber:

Let's start a second thread once I get rolling on my swap to discuss what will pass in CA, and let them continue their thread.


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