Consumer Reports: BRZ #2 Most Reliable Car (2017)
 

LOL that's almost just a list of the current Toyota and Lexus lineup!

How did you miss the Audi!!! This has to be the first time in world history anyone put a german car on a list of most reliable cars.!!! Seriously that is stunning.

Yeah, these cars are very reliable. Just the 2013 had some issues but they pretty much all got sorted out in 2014.

I'm actually surprised to not see any Honda on the list. I own 2 currently and have no issues.

It's pretty much a given that a Honda will be reliable (maybe not the safest), but even a new model year Accord, civic, etc. will be reliable. They get good MPG. Besides those two things, Honda's are a dime a dozen over here... buzzing around like a swarm of wasps... flies.....insects..... The '90's Honda's are really starting to show their age the last 3-5 years , but lots of 2000+ Honda's rolling around, it's like Honda central over here, even S2K.... boring. I get semi-excited now when I see a NSX

honda's are mediocre now. Nothing like the 1970-1995 legacy they had. No concerns about the sedans, the suv's have had severe issues, but nothing to brag about in any fashion. Mazda has left them in the dust, so has hyundai, kia, and obviously toyota.

I think the BRZ is so reliable due to the fact it is so basic. Not much to go wrong in a car meant for just driving.

From CR wording:

"At its limits, the BRZ is slightly more forgiving than its mechanical sibling, the Toyota 86 (the old Scion FR-S)."

Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't the handling of both cars, base versions, identical since the 2015 MY ?

If I'm correct, then CR has stuck with wording relating to tests they did some years ago.
Have they tested BRZ vs 86 recently ?


Personal opinion: CR can be just so lame at times. In the past they rated our cars as not so reliable, I think, based on their initial findings of the cars produced early on (2012). Finally, 5 1/2 years later they've given us a break. Possibly this might help our used car values...and send more new car buyers to this platform.

Earlier cars ('12-'13) had different reliability issues. It makes sense that our cars didn't make it to the list at that time.

The 2013's had quite a few issues. And I'm pretty sure the spring rates are different still between the two cars, if not the suspension tuning. For outright handling I still think the 2013 FRS is the best.

Not when a Ford Focus is considered one of the least reliable...

Then again, CR had the BRZ and FRS at different reliability ratings when they're the exact same car mechanically (and literally come off the same assembly line).

Consumer Reports December 2017 issue. page 57. (0-100 point scale) (average score ranges from 41-60)

Personal thoughts about this survey: The Made in Poland Buick is a crudely designed, underpowered, poor handling. The only thing sporty about it is that it's a convertible.
I believe they've now downgraded the Mazda MX5 as there have been problems with it's (newer than the old Miata) manual transmission.

'Our expert predictions of reliability for 2018 cars' includes this:

Dec issue? Are you from the future?

well said. Simplicity can go a long way. That's my approach to life as of 2017... less is more :) must factor out the BS in life :thumbsup:

Porsche makes them all the time.



Hyundai and Kia are leaving absolutely nobody in the dust, with the single possible exception of FCA vehicles.

exactly.

honda is a pile of crap now. Really is. Buick is better. $12,000 dollar KIA is a better buy.

I dont even trust that honda is truly that high on the list either. They have a wide swing of reliability between models. It should be more scientifically weighted, with wide swings causing a company to be dropped down more.

Let me just say that Honda is not one of my favorites anymore either. But they don't seem to have any sales problem.

Yes I do. Those studies from a year or two ago don't tell you jack about reliability. Most new cars are perfectly fine for at least a few years. Even on the ones that aren't, most things that break are pretty trivial. You need about a decade of solid evidence before you really know if you have bought something of quality or not. Go back a decade or so and the Hyundais/Kias were garbage. Therefore, they may or may not be good now but there is no meaningful proof to the contrary at this point. Based on their history of being crap, they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt until they prove themselves. I will give them that their warranty is very long. Whether or not they're any good at honoring claims, I have no idea.




They don't have any problem, problems either. The fact that they make boring cars now and that they have bought into marketing garbage CVTs just like everyone else doesn't make them any worse than any other company. Their cars are still very reliable.

funny how everyone is getting so worked up about where each brand falls in the rankings....folks, fact is this ain't the 80s, 90s or even 2000s anymore. it isn't cool anymore to talk trash about kia/hyundai. nearly every single brand to some degree uses common parts that other manufacturers use in virtually every single model. japanese models use korean parts, euro models use japanese parts, etc. the differences in number of problems is grasping at straws at this point.

you almost cannot buy a "bad" car these days, only the "wrong" car. for the past decade, the main points of contention people submit to consumer reports have been mainly related to infotainment & transmission issues which makes sense considering each brand has their own proprietary headunit system and adjusts the trans they get supplied for their needs..

I imagine going on forward, most issues will be about the electrical/sensors/firmware side, less so mechanical.

I'd go the other way with this. Many cars in the 90s and 2000s had terrible electrical gremlins but were mechanically solid, mostly as a result of adding additional computers and entertainment systems to the cars in those days. Now that manufacturers have all learned their lessons, electrical issues are now quite rare but they keep adding hardware like new sensors, turbos, catalysts and injectors that add mechanical failure points. I expect into the 2020s, mechanical failures will continue to rise while electrical issues will stay quite low.

I beg to differ.

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That car right there is very simple. I don't think there's a single part on it that wouldn't fail.

Although design and engineering deficiencies are a factor, reliability usually comes down to build quality, materials quality and tolerances in the manufacturing processes. A complicated machine built in a modern Japanese factory (or practically any first world factory) is almost always going to be more reliable than a very simple machine built in a British Leyland factory or even a modern machine built in a Tata factory. That's because the quality improvement processes have been distilled down to extremely low failure rates through Kaizen and Six Sigma and their derivative approaches, and for years they've been figuring out how to weed out the errors.

I have a feeling the reliability of our cars relies in large part on the fact that it has the eyes of two different corporate management teams on it. Subaru doesn't want to lose face dealing with Toyota, and Toyota doesn't want to lose face with Subaru. If either one dropped the ball, it would result in great dishonor. Lots of bowing and apologizing. Probably a suicide.

CR is a joke.. and title is misleading. I did not see in the article they numbered the car from top to bottom 10. OP's post is misleading... but still my toothbrush makes more power and more reliable.

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