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Cal3000 10-18-2017 03:16 AM

Car sputtering and cutting power at WOT
 
As I approach 150k miles and 130k boosted miles on my car, I'm starting to see issues. I'm not sure if I have a vac leak but when I WOT my car, power is cut and the engine doesn't want to climb in rpms at random times. It just hangs at say, 4k or 5k rpm under WOT. It happens quite a bit. It's more pronounced on pump gas than e85. I'm thinking this could be the effect of a vacuum leak somewhere. I'm not sure what else can cause this.
Any one else experience such issues?

guybo 10-18-2017 06:10 AM

Vacuum leaks usually happen at low RPM, not high RPM. That is not a typical vacuum leak symptom

StraightOuttaCanadaEh 10-18-2017 09:48 AM

Failing fuel pump? Coil pack? Spark plug? Clogged injectors?

Amputechture 10-18-2017 11:43 AM

Perhaps failing MAP sensor? A lot of these OMNIs are shitting out on people lately.

Sportsguy83 10-18-2017 01:15 PM

What does your AFR look like when it happens, have you taken a log to see timing, engine load, boost when the issue happens? Is it particular to a single gear? etc..

rb6freak 10-18-2017 01:39 PM

+1 on the MAP sensor as my first thought.

Fred E 10-18-2017 03:49 PM

+1 for the MAP sensor as well. There have been several reports of Omni MAP sensors failing, and the symptoms fit.

guybo 10-18-2017 07:47 PM

Let's see LTFT and STFT at idle, 2500 RPM and WOT

Cal3000 10-19-2017 12:55 AM

Thanks! I'll try to gather this info this weekend.

Irace86.2.0 10-19-2017 01:34 AM

Clogged fuel filter?

Cal3000 11-02-2017 03:02 AM

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I've attached some data logs. I don't know if they indicate anything. Basically I give the car some throttle and right before i let off the throttle is when the engine dragging starts happening. Basically the engine sounds like it's struggling and doesn't rev higher even with throttle. Not sure if it's a misfire or what. What's interesting, it's worse the lower the ethanol level. Basically the car performs better with higher E content and performs like crap on pump gas. This issue just started happening.
If anyone sees anything wrong,
Thanks

CSG Mike 11-02-2017 05:28 AM

Your AFR and MAP is pretty wild, along with some fuel trims.

Replace your MAP, or test with a known MAP.

Dru670 12-02-2017 04:34 AM

Interesting I'm experiencing the problem once and awhile these past about 3 months now. I have about 35k miles with less than 10k on boost (JRSC C38) on stock MAP. It's happened on 91 and e85. I can't figure it out.
This is a data log using Torque App over a month ago.
https://datazap.me/u/dru670/engine-s...17-18-19-20-21
Been meaning to do a data log with ecutek to have my tuner take a look at it.

Amputechture 12-04-2017 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dru670 (Post 3011769)
Interesting I'm experiencing the problem once and awhile these past about 3 months now. I have about 35k miles with less than 10k on boost (JRSC C38) on stock MAP. It's happened on 91 and e85. I can't figure it out.
This is a data log using Torque App over a month ago.
https://datazap.me/u/dru670/engine-s...17-18-19-20-21
Been meaning to do a data log with ecutek to have my tuner take a look at it.

Perhaps I'm misreading your post...but you are supercharged on the stock map sensor? The standard JRSC pulley makes more boost than the OEM sensor's range.

Wes 12-04-2017 12:54 AM

I'm having similar issues, but its moreso when I'm on higher ethanol content, cruising on low rpms. Weird part is that the issue comes and goes but doesn't happen on 91.. its got a mind of its own :iono:

Kodename47 12-05-2017 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputechture (Post 3012197)
Perhaps I'm misreading your post...but you are supercharged on the stock map sensor? The standard JRSC pulley makes more boost than the OEM sensor's range.

That's not an issue. You don't need a larger range sensor than OEM, it just caps the pressure reading.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes (Post 3012205)
I'm having similar issues, but its moreso when I'm on higher ethanol content, cruising on low rpms. Weird part is that the issue comes and goes but doesn't happen on 91.. its got a mind of its own :iono:

Can you log the car? Where is the FF connected to (Rear O2 or CPC)? If the O2 sensor port I'd check the AF#3 correction values in the log.

Amputechture 12-05-2017 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 3012955)
That's not an issue. You don't need a larger range sensor than OEM, it just caps the pressure reading.

Can you log the car? Where is the FF connected to (Rear O2 or CPC)? If the O2 sensor port I'd check the AF#3 correction values in the log.

Huh? How would the ECU not being able to determine the correct manifold pressure not be an issue?

I suppose on a supercharged car where boost should always (assuming everything is working fine from a mechanical perspective) be the same amount it would be less of an issue...but I would still be weary.

Dru670 12-05-2017 10:30 PM

I have the PTuning FF kit.

Kodename47 12-06-2017 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputechture (Post 3013004)
Huh? How would the ECU not being able to determine the correct manifold pressure not be an issue?

I suppose on a supercharged car where boost should always (assuming everything is working fine from a mechanical perspective) be the same amount it would be less of an issue...but I would still be weary.

Every single Sprintex SC car runs the OEM sensor as having a correctly reading MAP sensor causes fueling issues, I have one which I tune. All it means is that I don't get over 1.36 Bar on the OBD reading, as the fueling is done primarily via MAF then it runs consistently and I don't really need to know the manifold pressure. I expect it's the same pressure as when I had it dyno'd years ago ;) Unless you max out the MAF and need to run SD then it's a complete non-issue. I also suspect that running a lower range MAP sensor would cure the odd fueling that affects the Cosworth SC kits too when in boost.

Amputechture 12-06-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kodename47 (Post 3013368)
Every single Sprintex SC car runs the OEM sensor as having a correctly reading MAP sensor causes fueling issues, I have one which I tune. All it means is that I don't get over 1.36 Bar on the OBD reading, as the fueling is done primarily via MAF then it runs consistently and I don't really need to know the manifold pressure. I expect it's the same pressure as when I had it dyno'd years ago ;) Unless you max out the MAF and need to run SD then it's a complete non-issue. I also suspect that running a lower range MAP sensor would cure the odd fueling that affects the Cosworth SC kits too when in boost.


That makes sense. I'm from the turbo world, I've maxed out every MAF I've ever had and had to run hybrid MAF/MAP setups.

Cal3000 12-24-2017 04:11 PM

Update:
Changing the spark plugs alleviated some of the issue. The plug gap was worn out. It would hesitate at anything above 50% throttle. Now I'm having the issue at the higher RPM range, always at 6.5k rpm, the car hesitates and wont go. I've cleaned the MAF sensor which I haven't cleaned ever (lol) and got the same results. I have a vid below.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=482kHy7oUJo"]Boost issue 1 - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQJkR8Cv5T0"]Boost issue 2 - YouTube[/ame]

The 2nd vid hesitates at 6k which it doesn't do often. My tuner said it wasn't the MAP sensor. I haven't swapped to test as yet though.

So the list of possible issues:
MAP sensor
O2 Sensor
Vac Leak?
Coil Packs?
What other possibility?
Other note is my engine has 150k miles on it. The issue did start until 145k miles.

guybo 12-24-2017 04:35 PM

Does your tune include FFS? I have an OFT (NA) but I set FFS RPM too low and I got weird high RPM shifting issues. Just a thought.

Irace86.2.0 12-24-2017 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cal3000 (Post 3020037)
Update:
Changing the spark plugs alleviated some of the issue. The plug gap was worn out. It would hesitate at anything above 50% throttle. Now I'm having the issue at the higher RPM range, always at 6.5k rpm, the car hesitates and wont go. I've cleaned the MAF sensor which I haven't cleaned ever (lol) and got the same results. I have a vid below.

Boost issue 1 - YouTube

Boost issue 2 - YouTube

The 2nd vid hesitates at 6k which it doesn't do often. My tuner said it wasn't the MAP sensor. I haven't swapped to test as yet though.

So the list of possible issues:
MAP sensor
O2 Sensor
Vac Leak?
Coil Packs?
What other possibility?
Other note is my engine has 150k miles on it. The issue did start until 145k miles.

Fuel filter/pump? I mentioned this before. No one commented unless I missed it.

Edit: My dad’s GMC 2500 cut out power and went to limp mode. I sounded like the turbo was bypassed. The truck would not go faster than 45mph or rev as high. He changed a clogged filter, and it immediately fixed the issue.

I think you have to ask yourself what could have changed? Bad fuel, low fuel pressure, bad afr, bad spark or bad compression. Bad afr could be a header leak, a clogged cat, a boost leak, a bad o2 sensor or something but I can’t imagine you would see any of these problems with no CEL.

Cal3000 02-05-2018 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 (Post 3020073)
Fuel filter/pump? I mentioned this before. No one commented unless I missed it.

Edit: My dad’s GMC 2500 cut out power and went to limp mode. I sounded like the turbo was bypassed. The truck would not go faster than 45mph or rev as high. He changed a clogged filter, and it immediately fixed the issue.

I think you have to ask yourself what could have changed? Bad fuel, low fuel pressure, bad afr, bad spark or bad compression. Bad afr could be a header leak, a clogged cat, a boost leak, a bad o2 sensor or something but I can’t imagine you would see any of these problems with no CEL.

I noticed that the Atmosphere pressure is reading low which could be a contributing cause, but there is no CEL. I started another thread regarding the location of it.
I'm not sure if I have a clogged filter. The car runs a lot worse on pump gas than E85 which tells me it's probably a fuel compensation issue. :/

Cal3000 03-03-2018 12:02 AM

Update. It was just cylinder 1 coil pack that went bad. Nothing major. Car is running fine again. Thanks for all the help all.


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