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denverizzles 07-19-2012 02:48 PM

Vortech Supercharger
 
So just got word that Vortech is developing a supercharger kit for the FR-S...I wonder how that is going to turn out. Their stuff has been pretty good in the past, so i'm fairly excited.

They said it would most likely be available around winter 2012.:party0030:

Synack 07-19-2012 02:49 PM

I want a turn key S/C.

I like wheeeeee whoooooosh :)

thorlius 07-19-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denverizzles (Post 325758)
So just got word that Vortech is developing a supercharger kit for the FR-S...I wonder how that is going to turn out. Their stuff has been pretty good in the past, so i'm fairly excited.

They said it would most likely be available around winter 2012.:party0030:

Get them on here doing a thread like Accelerated is for their TC kit. :party0030:

For some reason I went with a 7 year comprehensive warranty on the car so if I do anything to the car, it'll have to be TRD... but it's nice to have options, and it's very nice to see customer interaction and development processes, which shows confidence in their ability to release a great product.

thebear21 07-19-2012 05:12 PM

ah! i want a s/c right meoow!

SpeedBRZ 07-19-2012 05:28 PM

i think a Supercharger would be great addition for those drifters out there. a cheaper and satisfying hp boost. Hopefully it will be affordable and cheaper then competitors turbo kits.

FRkane 07-19-2012 05:34 PM

if we can just get ATI procharger to make one too. Self contained, no drilling into the oil pan.

Drift-Office 07-19-2012 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedBRZ (Post 326145)
i think a Supercharger would be great addition for those drifters out there. a cheaper and satisfying hp boost. Hopefully it will be affordable and cheaper then competitors turbo kits.

I recently tuned a Vortech setup on a VQ, and that needed a larger upgraded MAF to accommodate ... but all things considered, they are better than the Stillen offering though. We'll see how this one goes!

I'm guessing 4 - 5 PSI kit...

d1ck 07-19-2012 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by virtual_bob (Post 326156)
I recently tuned a Vortech setup on a VQ, and that needed a larger upgraded MAF to accommodate ... but all things considered, they are better than the Stillen offering though. We'll see how this one goes!

I'm guessing 4 - 5 PSI kit...

I think with subie's you can normally just stick the MAF in a larger pipe and re-scale it.

Drift-Office 07-19-2012 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by d1ck (Post 326194)
I think with subie's you can normally just stick the MAF in a larger pipe and re-scale it.

Indeed, there's that option too and I feel that if there's more parts, that would usually equate to more cost. :)

Tradewind 07-19-2012 07:14 PM

Procharger must be itching to have a go at this vehicle too!

*KID* 07-19-2012 09:22 PM

fuck yea this or a ROOTs style supercharger Ill get

Visconti 07-19-2012 10:30 PM

i would love to see something like this

Silverdub 07-19-2012 10:34 PM

I am really looking forward for this and hks. Cant wait to see more officiel info!

|-Goku-| 07-19-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thorlius (Post 325883)
Get them on here doing a thread like Accelerated is for their TC kit. :party0030:

For some reason I went with a 7 year comprehensive warranty on the car so if I do anything to the car, it'll have to be TRD... but it's nice to have options, and it's very nice to see customer interaction and development processes, which shows confidence in their ability to release a great product.

Same, I went with a 7yr/100,000 warranty. They gave it to me for 1,000. So I couldn't pass it up, lol.

Will need to go TRD too.

mashal 07-19-2012 10:51 PM

YES YES YES

Godzilla35 07-19-2012 11:11 PM

you can't just make a thread like this and have no info!!! oh noez... the wait begins... again...

denverizzles 07-19-2012 11:41 PM

Believe me, I wish I had more info, I'll see if I can drag anything more out of them. The worst part about getting a new car in the market is that you have to wait for everything to be developed!! GAHHH

GenkiElite 07-20-2012 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denverizzles (Post 325758)
So just got word that Vortech is developing a supercharger kit for the FR-S...I wonder how that is going to turn out. Their stuff has been pretty good in the past, so i'm fairly excited.

They said it would most likely be available around winter 2012.:party0030:

Source?

denverizzles 07-20-2012 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GenkiElite (Post 327644)
Source?

John Snee:

We are working on a system. It will be at the 2012 SEMA show. It should be available for sale late fall/early winter.

-John

Bahraini86 07-20-2012 07:40 AM

My Z been Vorteched since 2006 and I'm happy with it. It's an upgraded system where I started with 320whp till the 455whp I'm running now.

I like how Vortech sells the whole turn-key kit that comes pre-tuned with safe mapping

denverizzles 07-20-2012 02:24 PM

I just got another email for Vortech, I guess they can't divulge anymore information. BOOO!!! Although, they said they should have more information in the next couple weeks.

Mishimoto 07-20-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denverizzles (Post 328239)
I just got another email for Vortech, I guess they can't divulge anymore information. BOOO!!! Although, they said they should have more information in the next couple weeks.

Interesting, keeping an eye out for this!:thumbup:

AJ@ECSMotorsports 07-20-2012 04:06 PM

Vortech makes some awesome stuff, although pricey..

We've sold and installed about a half dozen of their kits for the 5th gen Camaro SS and all of our customers have been happy with it.

Can't wait to see some numbers myself and see it in action!

chadr0 07-20-2012 07:13 PM

I have a buddy who has a Vortech kit for his 2011 Mustang and it's awesome. I can't wait for SC kits to start becoming availible for these cars.:thumbup:

Apex Chase 07-20-2012 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denverizzles (Post 327663)
John Snee:

We are working on a system. It will be at the 2012 SEMA show. It should be available for sale late fall/early winter.

-John

At SEMA you say? Don't worry guys, I'll be sure to take plenty of pictures. :D

track_warrior 07-20-2012 08:20 PM

Vortech makes nice stuff, i had their system on my 350z and loved it!!

Here is a pic i love how clean the install is.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...80x960copy.jpg

SkullWorks 07-20-2012 08:23 PM

YUCK,

I personally do not agree with the vortech/procharge style chargers, it has all the draw backs of a Roots type blower and all of the drawbacks of a turbo (once installed)

and doesn't perform half aswell as either, if anyone seriously wants SC instead of Turbo just wait for a real SC kit (ie using a roots type blower.)

boredom.is.me 07-20-2012 10:04 PM

Someone is sipping hater flavored Haterade. lol It doesn't hurt to wait and see what they can do.

GFo12ce 07-20-2012 10:50 PM

On the 370Z they partnered with Stillen to develop/sell the kit. Maybe they'll look to do that on this car too? If they do pray it's someone that has a solid fuel/timing management solution.

BRAWL 07-21-2012 05:49 AM

Roots type blowers have their drawbacks mate, with heatsoak a real big one unless you have bonnet room for a cooler (not gonna happen on the 86).

I personally am looking at a procharger/vortech style setup but have plenty of times to weight up the pros and cons whilst saving. Turbo is not preferred, but that is personal choice really.

Hater gonna hate ;)

ultra 07-21-2012 10:01 AM

I'd accept nothing less than a TVS series blower plus some sort of intercooler setup.

Non TVS blowers are obsolete at this point.

I like Vortec style SCs for the extra torque but would also be interested to see a Rotrex-style solution for comparison.

Also curious to see what folks will be doing as far as tuning solutions. Hopefully something solid like a Megasquirt, Hydra or ECUtek solution without having to step up to an AEM standalone, and no lame AVC-R or cheap piggyback setups.

Synack 07-21-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra (Post 329740)
I'd accept nothing less than a TVS series blower plus some sort of intercooler setup.

Non TVS blowers are obsolete at this point.

I like Vortec style SCs for the extra torque but would also be interested to see a Rotrex-style solution for comparison.

Also curious to see what folks will be doing as far as tuning solutions. Hopefully something solid like a Megasquirt, Hydra or ECUtek solution without having to step up to an AEM standalone, and no lame AVC-R or cheap piggyback setups.

THIS. Thanks for this reply.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus on Jelly Bean

roddy 07-21-2012 10:51 AM

Just my opinion...I'm with ultra on this one.

I'm not a fan of the centrifugal supercharger (vortech/paxton, procharger, etc). They are basically a belt driven turbo... If I want a turbo, I'll get a whole turbo, not 1/2 a turbo. Don't get me wrong, they make great power, but need lots of RPMs to really shine. My car is a street car, and as such, doesn't spend a lot of it's time above 4000 rpms. This car is very low on torque, and would really benefit from the power characteristics of a Positive Displacement blower (Eaton "roots"/TVS, twin screw, etc). A small TVS (R660 or R900) would be a perfect match for this car. I'm not hatin' on Vortech, I just think that a PD blower would be a better match for this car. If someone brings a PD kit to market, I'll be on that like a fat kid on a chocolate bar.

dabocx 07-21-2012 12:45 PM

I would love to see a TVS series on this car but i honestly have no clue how they would package as R900 on here. Hopefully someone can

ultra 07-21-2012 04:23 PM

Apologies to the OP if I came off as being overly harsh or rude on the Vortec SC.

If it'll get more HP and generally do the job then great, another option for people to consider. Plus it's proven.


I just couldn't help noticing what's been happening elsewhere in the aftermarket supercharger world. Things have progressed a lot with the advent of the Rotrex and TVS blowers as well as engine management solutions.

More power to ya (pun intended). :)

denverizzles 07-21-2012 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ultra (Post 330208)
Apologies to the OP if I came off as being overly harsh or rude on the Vortec SC.

If it'll get more HP and generally do the job then great, another option for people to consider. Plus it's proven.


I just couldn't help noticing what's been happening elsewhere in the aftermarket supercharger world. Things have progressed a lot with the advent of the Rotrex and TVS blowers as well as engine management solutions.

More power to ya (pun intended). :)

No hard feelings whatsoever man! Didn't even take it that way. I'm just excited that there are more companies starting to make products for our cars. It's hard having a car right when it first comes out because you never know what's going to be good and what's going to be a bust.

FRkane 07-22-2012 03:11 PM

I had a 03' mach 1 with a p1sc. Loved the power and how well everything came together. Almost looked factory. Yet, this sounds stupid to make a complete judgement on a purchase just because of a sound. Yet, compared to my 03 cobra with the eaton. THE SOUND SUCKED. I loved the whine the eaton put off. Completely intoxicating! :burnrubber:

cruzinbill 07-22-2012 05:17 PM

you would think someone would jump at the chance to do a roots style... the top of the motor is just begging for it.

Tradewind 07-23-2012 01:56 AM

No matter what is developed by whom - its all in the tuning. For now Accelerated Performance has more IP on how the reflash tuning etc works than anyone else anywhere

TRooper 07-23-2012 06:00 PM

Hello everyone,

While I am not a current Vortech employee, I do have some very intimate details of the upcoming Vortech kit, information on which other companies are working in collaboration with Vortech on supplying tuning as well as calibration assistance as well as general insight about some of the questions being asked.
I am a former employee of Vortech (6+ years) who is still great friends with several current employees in marketing, sales, manufacturing, and the engineering sides of the company. I am also heavily involved in the Subaru community community, Nasioc for 8+ years, I am a moderator on 2 other Subaru Forums, as well as on another FR-S forum. Basically, what I'm getting at is that I feel I am well versed in the Subaru Boxer engine fairly well, and the benefits and advantages of having a major manufacturer like Vortech creating a supercharger kit for this new and exciting platform.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synack (Post 325762)
I want a turn key S/C.

I like wheeeeee whoooooosh :)

Vortech will offer both a complete kit as well as a "Tuner kit"
A complete kit is just as the name implies. It is one part number that you can order from any Vortech dealer and install onto a 100% stock vehicle. It will include everything you need to install the kit, such as supercharger, brackets, ducting, intercooler, bypass valve, fuel system upgrades, and computer tuning. It even includes small pieces such as hose clamps, silicone sleeves, and every nut and bolt that you would need to install the kit. There will be no need to make a parts store run halfway through the installation.

A Tuner kit is a complete kit minus the fuel and tuning upgrades. The customer will supply his own fuel and programming accessories. This is for the customer who has built or upgraded his engine or just wants to crank up the boost past what the standard Vortech ships with.


Quote:

Originally Posted by thorlius (Post 325883)
Get them on here doing a thread like Accelerated is for their TC kit. :party0030:

For some reason I went with a 7 year comprehensive warranty on the car so if I do anything to the car, it'll have to be TRD... but it's nice to have options, and it's very nice to see customer interaction and development processes, which shows confidence in their ability to release a great product.

Vortech will soon have official company representatives as well as dealers of theirs on various BRZ/FRS forums. Also of note, Vortech did co-develop a kit with TRD for the tC in the past, so we do know Vortech's quality is of the highest standards if Toyota chose them to develop a kit to be sold through TRD dealers. **NOTE-the new FRS/BRZ kit will be a Vortech branded kit, it will have no affiliation with TRD.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedBRZ (Post 326145)
i think a Supercharger would be great addition for those drifters out there. a cheaper and satisfying hp boost. Hopefully it will be affordable and cheaper then competitors turbo kits.

The pricing will be competitive and on par with other forced induction offerings.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRkane (Post 326154)
if we can just get ATI procharger to make one too. Self contained, no drilling into the oil pan.

Vortech has had self contained units that do not require the need to tap the pan for a drain line for several years now. In my opinion, Vortech offers a better self contained gearcase than ATI Procharger. Unlike ATI, the Vortech gearcase is vented, which means you won't over-pressurize the gearcase and blow out the front input shaft seal. Those who have actually owned an ATI will attest to the persistent oil seepage issue from the gear case's front seal. Vortech also has a great solution to checking oil level, draining and refilling the unit as well. The whole process of servicing the blower with new oil takes about 10 minutes, tops.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla35 (Post 326914)
you can't just make a thread like this and have no info!!! oh noez... the wait begins... again...

I hope this has offered some insight to the upcoming Vortech kit. As is the case with kits under development, more information will come out as the kit goes through its development stages. I can tell you that Vortech is working on a FRS/BRZ kit. It will use Vortech's proven compressors, Vortech is consulting with some Major Subaru manufacturers in the aftermarket industry, and this will be an excellent kit that makes safe and reliable horsepower.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GFo12ce (Post 329158)
On the 370Z they partnered with Stillen to develop/sell the kit. Maybe they'll look to do that on this car too? If they do pray it's someone that has a solid fuel/timing management solution.

They are partnering with another manufacturer who does have a grasp on tuning the new engine. They are also consulting with yet another Subaru heavy hitter in the Subaru parts manufacturing world to make sure this will be a solid proven kit.

I think some major advantages of the kit will be the smooth linear power delivery that will continue to make smooth drivable power all the way to redline. This car and engine combination will never drive like a torquey V8 Mustang or Camaro. If you are on this forum or if you own or have driven an FR-S or BRZ you already have a great understanding of where this car excels. This blower kit will only compliment the car's strengths. It will remain nimble, with a linear power band that won't upset the cars handling.


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