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Looks like Toyota are still showing the GSports concept in some markets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSvvO_fSWvQ

I like the G Sport. It's a bit over done (the hood and spoiler) for a DD but I like the lines and everything.

Toyota is probably still showing it to get their name and reputation out there more. Plus I'm sure a lot of time was put into the concept so they might as well get something out of it.

Honestly I was too busy trying to check out the chick next to the car. She looked cute but I couldn't see her face well.

Isn't that the MKI? <3 :P

Chinese Auto Show again? Nice to see the G tho. It's the most favorite FT-86 concept so far.

So far, after the MKIII release, we've now seen both MKI and MKII make appearances. WTH? I confused.

When did we see the MkI appearance?

I don't think so, the MkI looks more different than the G Sport.

http://kydrives.net/wp-content/uploa...T-86_front.jpghttp://i301.photobucket.com/albums/n...a05/sport1.jpg

G Sport looks more aggressive. The MkI looks like a family car FFS.

LOLOL. :P I wonder why people didn't put up the GSport as an option to what car you'd like. Plus I had always thought that the MKI was the GSport for some very odd reason.

This IS the MKI, tuned by Gazoo, also called the FT86 G Sport . . . dont guess.

The Gsport looks like a tricked out MKI.

I barely see any resemblance between the MkI and the G Sport. It practically looks like a different car.

its the same car, with a body kit, turbo, and wing... its based off the mk1 concept and not a totally different concept

Bullshit. The lines are totally different on the door, and the quarter panel.

It's not a kit at all. It's not like you could take a MkI and buy the kit and slap it on. It would still look like crap.

Sure on kits you can switch the bumpers, but the doors?

Good luck with that.

Can I just buy the GS sport? I like that more than all 3 of the concepts then. Lol.

Me too. Although the Mk II is a close second. I mentioned it before but I'd love to mix and match some parts from the Mk II. The spoiler on the Mk II would look better an the G Sport instead of what it has.

The G-Sports is very clearly a modified MK1.

I like the MKIII when it first came out, but now that I look at it more and more I don't think its as classy and timeless as the MK1. Part of the reason it immediately looks better is because of the stance. It is also quite a bit bigger, which sucks.

Yea, I like it too, although I'm undecided on the back. I want to like the taillights but they feel a little over the top.

:bellyroll:

Its just different quarter panels/doors/fenders. The general car design is still there... headlights, tail lights, roof line, mirrors, dimensions are all identical. Toyota released them with this implication as well... its not really a debate on this forum that the G-Sports is a spiffy MK1.

Nope. Go back and read some earlier threads. (like way earlier)

As far as I'm concerned if you are changing the body panels, you are still changing the concept of the car.

In either case, to call the G Sport a MkI is hardly accurate.

The 'concept' of the G was what the aftermarket could do with a 'stock' Mk1 FT86. It was explained.

:word: this guy knows what he's talking about.

Do you have a reference to this explanation? I don't agree with it, but this is probably a battle I won't win.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306

It was a factory-supported 'tuning' exercise.

Thanks! Makes a bit more sense. Again, I wouldn't consider this the MkI but I do see where the others are coming from. Seems too heavily modified IMO. Almost like a new concept. But oh well.

What the whole G's/Gazoo thing was (or is in Japan?) for is to provide factory-modified versions of existing cars to customers. Basically to steal away more aftermarket dollars from tuning shops. So it is a 'customized' Mk1. Think of it like a TRD3000GT Supra or TRD2000GT MR-2.

That is EXACTLY what I want to buy when the FT-86/FR-S comes out.

In fact I already decided when this car comes out I will wait for something like the above, or a special/limited edition, or if nothing I'll let the years pass to let the wrinkles get ironed out.

Better learn some Japanese, and sort out some visa stuff then, as it'll likely be a JDM thing.

Small chance that Scion will do some fancy Release Series, maybe? But as Dragonitti likes to point out, there will probably be a ton of stuff for this car, including a wide-body kit.

The closest you may get is a Release Series already kitted.

The G's Sport IS the MKI concept, 'tricked' out by Gazoo Racing.

Maybe do a little searching about the subject before making yourself look like a tool in an argument with some of the members that were around when it was fresh news?

Ha...damn...has it already been a year since the G's was showcased at the TAS? At this rate I'll be checking out the FR-S in a showroom next week.

You're totally missing my point, but thanks for the tool comment.

First off, I called BS about the G sport being a "body kit" for the Mk I. I was correct. I'd hardly call a factory modification of changing body panels a "body kit" because that implies you can buy the kit and slap it on like a sticker.

Secondly, the G Sport is most certainly a concept car, maybe not a totally new concept, but when we're talking about a car that isn't made it's still a new concept. It is derived and based on the Mk I, but it is NOT the same Mk I (in what was shown to be the Mk I concept). Considering the fact neither car is in production and made, any variations among the car that is released is a new concept. To me, that is like saying the Genesis Coupe is the same car as the Genesis Sedan.

Mind you, this entire discussion (or "argument" as you chose) can be solely attributed to semantics.

Obviously, I understand where the G Sport comes from, but my point still stands that it's not an attainable car you can get if the Mk I hit production. It's not simply a kit you can buy online. There's too many changes in the G Sport to make it a reality even if the Mk I came out.

So, was any research required on my side? No, everything I initially said still stands. And registration date doesn't mean shit, unless it gives you a bigger ego boost. As I said before I've been following this car since the announcement of the FT-HS.

I concur. But what does it all mean? Why is the MKI being shown again . . . ?

It means jack....

All 3 cars (4, counting G's) are ALL concepts. I think people are really starting to get way to wrapped up in this "95%? 98% production ready?" bullshit talk. They are CONCEPTS.

Hell, the Scion concept is much like the G's, as it was more 'spiced' up by a third party company, than Scion itself.

Imho, the Mk1 is probably still the closest concept to match the actual production vehicle in looks, -overall-. The Mk2 and Scion FR-S are both way to radical for a base production model, while the original FT-86 has a more toned down look (comparing nowadays....when the car first came out I think we were all amazed how sleek it looked).

You can take a car, pick it as your favorite, and go from there. The only thing that is concrete is the car is going to be small, RWD, 2+2, with a 2.0L n/a boxer sporting Toyota D4-S, mated to a 6speed MT or AT, and priced in the low, low-mid $20k range.

I take the LSD and paddle shifter news as skeptical. Why? Because the print says "the FR-S concept comes with"....that doesn't mean the production version WILL see those features as standard. Its not unlikely, but its also not 100% confirmed.

The concepts are nothing but eye-candy, marketing at its finest to wet the taste-buds in preparation for the Thanksgiving Turkey. They're -supposed- to make you WANT the car. With me, Toyota would have to do a massive, MASSIVE, blunder on styling for me not to buy it. As long as it looks -good-, I'm fine. What I WANT, is light-weight and affordable RWD, and so far for me, every concept release has been good news, as that's basically what they keep advertising it as.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6...heel001mu9.jpg
http://www.jdmracingcars.com/img/car...20Rx7JULY1.jpg

say what now?

Over done for a DD? Man, I still DD my Time Attack car...lol.






Same car with a body kit bro...

http://www.withoutatraceroute.com/wp...2/facepalm.jpg

Looking at the concept-to-production cycle for cars that have made it to market in the last decade, past history certainly supports your view. Aside from a few uber-priced exotics like the Lexus LFA, production models are nearly always much more "vanilla" than their initial concepts, which didn't have to meet safety regs, address pricing restraints, etc. In fact my biggest concern is that the production FR-S will wind up being considerably blander than even the Mk 1 (which I still find to be an incredibly appealing design, much better than the later iterations).