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Kido1986 07-18-2012 10:36 AM

Wheel Directory: Konig Daylight 17x7.0 +40
 
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http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/...4289737_n1.jpg

Will get more later.

Wheels are cheap at $134 each from Discount Tire. So light too. Track setup, wearing 215/45/17 Hankook R-S3 at 22lbs each. Havent had them on a scale, JUST picked them up but I've seen the Konigs weighed at 14.6lbs so ~37lb at each corner estimated

BMWDavid 07-18-2012 10:53 AM

I like! Not sure what the stock offset is...38? What effect does the 40 have?

Are these actually 7" wide or are they 7.5"?

Kido1986 07-18-2012 10:55 AM

7" wide.

Stock is +48 offset. Doesnt seem to be any issue. Just moves the wheels 8mm closer to the suspension. Going to do alignment tonight and hope -1.5 degrees on camber wont be an issue with the +40

Khyron686 07-18-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 322607)
7" wide.

Stock is +48 offset. Doesnt seem to be any issue. Just moves the wheels 8mm closer to the suspension. Going to do alignment tonight and hope -1.5 degrees on camber wont be an issue with the +40

Moves 8mm AWAY (out) from suspension. Would be real nice if you could take one off and weight it for sure. Tires should be 22lbs..

7thgear 07-18-2012 12:18 PM

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll...ib3wo1_400.jpg

7thgear 07-18-2012 12:19 PM

silver center caps are crap though

Kido1986 07-18-2012 12:19 PM

Really? I thought lower offset sunk into the car... That's why my 16x8s on my Mazda were soo far out to the edge, +50 offset on an 8" wide wheel

dsgerbc 07-18-2012 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 7thgear (Post 322739)

+1. I'd prefer a touch brighter gold though. Need more pics though ;)

dsgerbc 07-18-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 322747)
Really? I thought lower offset sunk into the car... That's why my 16x8s on my Mazda were soo far out to the edge, +50 offset on an 8" wide wheel

Nope. Lower (positive) offset= mating surface is closer to the center of the barrel = barrel moves outward relative to the hub.

Kido1986 07-18-2012 01:11 PM

It seems brighter in person. It was overcast when I took the photo. Will take more another time with more sun, it's plenty bright.

Laika 07-18-2012 01:41 PM

Those look great! How's konigs track history for wheel quality? I always thought they were the kinda brand you'd see at pep boys. Also, where are they made? I think I'd like a set of these on my car but kinda wish they in other colors. I found gold and green haha

Kido1986 07-18-2012 01:46 PM

Konigs are used for autocross a bit, due to light and cheap but they are not the highest quality in the world. I just cant find anyone with 17x7 5x100 forged wheels in anything close to a reasonable price. They have multiple lines and most of them ARE Pepboys BS, overweight crappy wheels but they have some for entry level racing (Daylite and Feather mainly)

If I was doing hardcore track racing (note track, not autocross) I wouldnt want Konigs but these should hold up well.

They make these in black with thin yellow stripe, gold and green

Laika 07-18-2012 01:59 PM

Hmm sounds like they may not be too worry-free in a daily driving application. Hardly helps that most PA roads are pretty crummy.

Kido1986 07-18-2012 02:21 PM

They hold up for DD as I've seen tons of cheapos around on cars around here for years.

No Limit Motorsport 07-18-2012 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 322954)
Konigs are used for autocross a bit, due to light and cheap but they are not the highest quality in the world. I just cant find anyone with 17x7 5x100 forged wheels in anything close to a reasonable price. They have multiple lines and most of them ARE Pepboys BS, overweight crappy wheels but they have some for entry level racing (Daylite and Feather mainly)

If I was doing hardcore track racing (note track, not autocross) I wouldnt want Konigs but these should hold up well.

They make these in black with thin yellow stripe, gold and green

A few of the Konig wheels, such as the Milligram, are made by Enkei using there MAT technology. All of the Konig wheels are manufactured in very high quality, modern factories, that hold very high standards.

cyde01 07-18-2012 02:41 PM

WAHT? why so cheap??! they're sellin a set of 4 with tires for like $980!!!

Kido1986 07-18-2012 02:43 PM

I didnt know about that the Enkei partnership. I was not worried about them being poor quality. Enough people driving them on cars for years, no problems.

I just usually avoided Konig in the past due to being hideously ugly usually. These are respectable though nothing special.

Kido1986 07-18-2012 03:10 PM

http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/...18125533-1.jpg
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/...18125454-2.jpg
http://i1240.photobucket.com/albums/...7-18125416.jpg
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No Limit Motorsport 07-18-2012 03:12 PM

Looking good

Kido1986 07-18-2012 03:13 PM

Thanks :)

dori. 07-18-2012 03:43 PM

they look good on your car, but I'm not a fan of the brand. Everyone I know that had Konigs cracked them when DDing. That's 4 people, and one of those 4 cracked two of them weeks apart hittng some pothole.

That might sound doom and gloomy but my story IS anecdotal and 4 people and 5 cracked rims is a small sample size. Maybe just a bad batch or what have you. But I wont touch em with a 10 foot pole.

Kido1986 07-18-2012 03:44 PM

I dont plan on DDing them and I do avoid potholes whenever possible so hopefully I'll never find out :)

No Limit Motorsport 07-27-2012 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dori. (Post 323211)
they look good on your car, but I'm not a fan of the brand. Everyone I know that had Konigs cracked them when DDing. That's 4 people, and one of those 4 cracked two of them weeks apart hittng some pothole.

That might sound doom and gloomy but my story IS anecdotal and 4 people and 5 cracked rims is a small sample size. Maybe just a bad batch or what have you. But I wont touch em with a 10 foot pole.

I'm sorry but without any kind of evidence I feel that is not fair to Konig's potential customers.

I know MANY people that have had them over the years and NEVER an issue with anything like that. A few years ago I had a set that the clear coat chipped, and they replaced them no questions asked.

Khyron686 07-27-2012 12:29 PM

I have a 16 inch set as my winters for the Santa Fe and they seem extremely well built. Every company has good and bad models.

Wish they made those in simple silver or graphite. Gold works with WRB lucky for you!

Kido1986 07-27-2012 12:37 PM

It would work on the darker blue too. Blue, white, black or red would work well with gold.

86design 07-27-2012 01:05 PM

not bad!!! just drop it a little and your good to go ;)


love the blue and gold theme..

Kido1986 07-27-2012 01:06 PM

Dont plan on drop. Stock springs needed for stock autocross class. If I want to go further, I need ~$6k-7k to an STX build

celica73 07-27-2012 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 342203)
Dont plan on drop. Stock springs needed for stock autocross class. If I want to go further, I need ~$6k-7k to an STX build

Too bad those Konigs aren't stock legal (SCCA), otherwise it's a nice lightweight option. What wheels are you planning to run for autocross?

Kido1986 07-27-2012 01:54 PM

It wont be an issue locally but I can make modifications to rectify the 1.75mm difference. These are a place holder until RPF1s are out in 17x7 5x100, that's why I just bought cheapos for now

xwd 07-27-2012 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 342203)
Dont plan on drop. Stock springs needed for stock autocross class. If I want to go further, I need ~$6k-7k to an STX build

Like another guy said, technically the wheels aren't legal for stock. The rule is you can go +/- .25" from stock which equates to 6.35mm. That's why guys are trying to find +42mm wheels since it moves the wheel far enough out to run a really wide tire on a 17x7 rim.

Saw you responded to the other post. Yeah it's usually not too hard to shave 2mm off the mounting surface if need be.

Kido1986 07-27-2012 01:58 PM

I like running the 215s so bigger isnt the issue. I was planning for RTR-CS until this treadwear issue just changed for 2013. But by then, the R-S3 will have changed specs.

I like the stiffness of having the square tire/wheel vs oversized.

dori. 07-28-2012 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by No Limit Motorsport (Post 342095)
I'm sorry but without any kind of evidence I feel that is not fair to Konig's potential customers.

I know MANY people that have had them over the years and NEVER an issue with anything like that. A few years ago I had a set that the clear coat chipped, and they replaced them no questions asked.

you can re-read my post. really. read it again.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/anecdotal

Quote:

Originally Posted by dori. (Post 323211)
they look good on your car, but I'm not a fan of the brand. Everyone I know that had Konigs cracked them when DDing. That's 4 people, and one of those 4 cracked two of them weeks apart hittng some pothole.

That might sound doom and gloomy but my story IS anecdotal and 4 people and 5 cracked rims is a small sample size. Maybe just a bad batch or what have you. But I wont touch em with a 10 foot pole.

What happned DID happen. I dunno why it did but it is true.

I even offered a possible reason why they could've cracked!

Maybe they've gotten better over the years. I don't know.

WRB-DZA-BRZ 08-31-2012 08:41 PM

I bought a set of Konig Subzero wheels and drove them daily (except for winter months) for the past 11 years and they seem to be holding up fine. The wheels are either 15x6.5 or 15x7, I believe around 12lbs each, wrapped in 205/50-15 Falken Azenis RT615 rubber, mounted currently on my third Neon that have used these same wheels.
For the BRZ, I'm considering these Konig Daylite 17x7 wheels for summer, and maybe Konig Helium 16x7s for winter.

BeRZed 12-20-2012 07:34 AM

when are the RPF1s coming out in 17x7 5x100?

Kido1986 12-20-2012 10:27 AM

I believe they are available now. Check TireRack

Edit: Yup - $230 for Silver, $252 for Black

rikdrt1 12-20-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kido1986 (Post 323214)
I dont plan on DDing them and I do avoid potholes whenever possible so hopefully I'll never find out :)

i like them - they look good man . for the price you cant go wrong.

Philly758 06-10-2013 06:38 PM

I PM'ed Kido a while back to ask some questions about these wheels. He had experienced some bends with his, but was still able to have them balanced without any issues. So, somewhat against his recommendation I ended up buying them anyways.

I went with these wheels because they are light and cheap. I really wanted RPF1's, but I probably would have bought a wider wheel and tire than my car needs right now. So I am going to hold out on quality wheels and wide sticky tires for when I have a lot more power than stock. I think stock size wheel/tire will suit me just fine until my warranty is up and I install a supercharger.

I was deciding between Hankook Ventus V12 Evo K110 and Cooper Zeon RS3-S, both in the stock size. The Hankook's were probably $20 cheaper overall, but some reviews said their sidewalls were soft, and that's not something I wanted for an aggressive fun summer tire. The Cooper's had solid reviews, specifically this one on our cars (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...re-review.html) which assured me they were fun, stiff, responsive and would maintain the playfullness of the car. I also have used Cooper tires on my truck in the past and loved them (Cooper Discoverer AT/3's), so I wanted to give these a chance. Plus some Cooper tires are made in the USA, I was happy to find out that my Zeon RS3-S's are one of them!

I hope to have the wheels on my car before the end of the week. I will post in this thread when I do. Here are some pictures of the wheels for now. They have a darker powder coated gold paint than the pictures show, definitely darker than the stock photos you see online. The stock photos almost make them look like they are a matte light gold ano, they are gloss. There is no KONIG name on the rim, just the center cap and "RACING DESIGN" on the outter edge. I originally had planned on running the wheels without the center caps to get rid of the chrome on gold (thats why i ordered black lug nuts), but since they used a chrome valve stem anyways, I think I am going to just leave the cap in. Let me know what you think, these will be going on a dark gray metallic BRZ.

EDIT: I just threw this tire/wheel setup on my bathroom scale and it said 38.6 lbs. The scale definitely reads heavy, since I tried 2 x 8 lbs weights and it read 16.6 lbs. Either way, this setup appears to be at least 3-4 lbs lighter than stock, maybe a little more.

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...psa8971be7.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...psc255b887.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...psc8912367.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps1ab0edc1.jpg

Philly758 06-30-2013 04:20 PM

I finally installed my wheels this weekend. I was able to remove the chrome sleeves from the valve stem and used a standard black plastic cap. I spray painted the center caps black and had bought black lug nuts. I think the wheels look much better without the chrome.

I am very happy with them so far. I'm not going to argue that this is the best looking set of wheels for my car, but I don't mind them, they were cheap, and there is a noticeable difference in acceleration and handling.

Pictures....

Install in the shade.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps8f4150f7.jpg

Back from a test drive (brand new tires are drifty...).
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...psc9b76183.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...psc07c097c.jpg

Spray painted black center caps installed.
http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...psae392a16.jpg

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/v...ps5ebc40d3.jpg

pgeist 08-02-2013 10:38 PM

Konig Daylite Gold 17x7 +40 14.2lbs
 
http://i41.tinypic.com/kd0epc.jpg

Konig Daylite Gold 17x7 +40 14.2lbs (Stock Michelins)

I saw someone else on the forum put these on WRB.

Figured they would look good on black :party0030:

Just slapped them on today, will get some better pictures tomorrow.

Can instantly tell the wheels are lighter, good stuff!

I had my TPMS transferred to these, and will be using the stockers for winter tires.

They were $117 a corner shipped.. hard to beat that.

Car is stock height.

chuchutrain 08-02-2013 10:41 PM

Where from? And do they come in black?

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