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Porygon 07-02-2017 11:50 PM

Rusty af
 
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How much will it cost to fix? Anyone have/had this problem? Car only has 33k miles!


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Turdinator 07-02-2017 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Porygon (Post 2939327)
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How much will it cost to fix? Anyone have/had this problem? Car only has 33k miles!


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You don't fix rusty exhausts, you replace them. Personally i would wait until it rusts through and get an aftermarket stainless steel exhaust. Do you live near a beach by chance?

Porygon 07-03-2017 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Turdinator (Post 2939330)
You don't fix rusty exhausts, you replace them. Personally i would wait until it rusts through and get an aftermarket stainless steel exhaust. Do you live near a beach by chance?



No. The previous owner bought it in NY.


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Turdinator 07-03-2017 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Porygon (Post 2939332)
No. The previous owner bought it in NY.


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I am from Australia so don't have personal experience but I am told the when they salt the roads in places like NY it rusts the crap out of exhausts.

Ultramaroon 07-03-2017 12:07 AM

Yeah, that's rustbelt for sure. Usually people from New York find used cars from California. ;)

Lots of people unloading their stock exhausts. Just hang out here and you're bound to run across someone who needs to make some room in their garage.

Overdrive 07-03-2017 12:12 AM

If you don't have any holes in the exhaust due to the rust, then there's nothing to fix. If the rusty appearance bothers you (which I can only imagine it does if you spend a lot of time underneath the car seeing it) then you can replace it, but there's no point in trying to fix what's there. The same money you'd spend on getting the surface rust cleaned up could be spent on replacing it with a new factory or aftermarket exhaust.

Where you should be more concerned is if there is any similar or worse corrosion on the other parts under the car that make up the suspension and chassis. Fasteners and whatnot under there can rust up badly enough that they'll never be able to be loosened.

dutchman1 07-03-2017 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Overdrive (Post 2939341)
If you don't have any holes in the exhaust due to the rust, then there's nothing to fix. If the rusty appearance bothers you (which I can only imagine it does if you spend a lot of time underneath the car seeing it) then you can replace it, but there's no point in trying to fix what's there. The same money you'd spend on getting the surface rust cleaned up could be spent on replacing it with a new factory or aftermarket exhaust.

Where you should be more concerned is if there is any similar or worse corrosion on the other parts under the car that make up the suspension and chassis. Fasteners and whatnot under there can rust up badly enough that they'll never be able to be loosened.

This.

Exhaust rust is a given, they're made out of mild steel and heat/cool a lot.

Nothing too worry about til you start getting holes, which you're a loooooong way away from.

Tcoat 07-03-2017 12:21 AM

Around here that looks pristine. It may rust through in 20 years or so now that it is in California.
Don't panic over fasteners and such. They will rust but it is rare that they get so bad it is an issue. If you plan on having the car for a few decades then you may want to clean them up.

soulreapersteve 07-03-2017 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2939336)
Yeah, that's rustbelt for sure. Usually people from New York find used cars from California. ;)

Lots of people unloading their stock exhausts. Just hang out here and you're bound to run across someone who needs to make some room in their garage.

What this guy said.

You'll be able to find stock exhausts for 50 bucks.. sometimes people will give them away for free to clear up space!

Tcoat 07-03-2017 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by soulreapersteve (Post 2939350)
What this guy said.

You'll be able to find stock exhausts for 50 bucks.. sometimes people will give them away for free to clear up space!

He can have mine but the shipping would be murder. It never left the dealer with it on and even comes packaged in a TRD box.

soulreapersteve 07-03-2017 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2939354)
He can have mine but the shipping would be murder. It never left the dealer with it on and even comes packaged in a TRD box.

Put it up on CL. Someone will buy it. (Or come haul it away!)

Tcoat 07-03-2017 12:57 AM

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Put it up on CL. Someone will buy it. (Or come haul it away!)

But some day it may be a collectors item.

Porygon 07-03-2017 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2939354)
He can have mine but the shipping would be murder. It never left the dealer with it on and even comes packaged in a TRD box.



How much do you think shipping will cost?


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FRS Justin 07-03-2017 01:05 AM

its really a question of how much you want to spend... I would be more worried about the actual car than the exhaust. I would start pulling the fender well plastic and going over the body and suspension cleaning, primering, and painting.

humfrz 07-03-2017 01:17 AM

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If you don't have any holes in the exhaust due to the rust, then there's nothing to fix. If the rusty appearance bothers you (which I can only imagine it does if you spend a lot of time underneath the car seeing it) then you can replace it, but there's no point in trying to fix what's there. The same money you'd spend on getting the surface rust cleaned up could be spent on replacing it with a new factory or aftermarket exhaust.

Where you should be more concerned is if there is any similar or worse corrosion on the other parts under the car that make up the suspension and chassis. Fasteners and whatnot under there can rust up badly enough that they'll never be able to be loosened.

Like hi lighted above ........ don't worry about it.

If you have nothing better to do, you could get a can of this and paint it .....;)

Y, back-in-the-day, before SS or AL exhausts .......oh, never mind ......:(


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Syche 07-03-2017 01:18 AM

Hmm only thing I can say is i hope your alignment components are looking tip top cause the eccentric bolts on some Toyota love to rust


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Overdrive 07-03-2017 01:18 AM

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How much do you think shipping will cost?


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Please don't buy a new or even used stock exhaust. You really don't need it. The car is not being affected by a little surface rust on a steel part. Your money is truly better spent elsewhere on the car.

I'm not trying to tell you how to spend your own money (I know, I know, I pretty much just did above) but it would really be a shame to see you spend money on this unnecessarily. If you're up for giving your car a little different sound and seeing far less corrosion show up on your pipes over time, at least buy an aftermarket catback, because the money you'd be spending to get Tcoat's used-but-new exhaust to you would be a similar expense.

I know how you feel to a point. I live next door to where your car originally came from and even though I did wash my car frequently over winter, salt and heat cycles still did its thing and put spots on my exhaust. I'm not letting it bother me, though. The tips are still free of rust, and that's all anyone sees except those few people who end up working under it. Eventually I'll be replacing it with an aftermarket setup and it'll be even more of a non-issue.

Tcoat 07-03-2017 01:22 AM

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How much do you think shipping will cost?


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From Canada. Way more that it is worth.

Tcoat 07-03-2017 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2939362)
its really a question of how much you want to spend... I would be more worried about the actual car than the exhaust. I would start pulling the fender well plastic and going over the body and suspension cleaning, primering, and painting.

You ever live in the north? That is the grossest overkill I have ever heard. You think the second salt hit a car it starts to rust? Ridiculous suggestion.

Vdub 07-03-2017 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2939336)
Yeah, that's rustbelt for sure. Usually people from New York find used cars from California. ;)

Lots of people unloading their stock exhausts. Just hang out here and you're bound to run across someone who needs to make some room in their garage.

Wow, this is exactly me. Only had 100 miles on my stock exhaust before replacing it. I've kept all my stock parts in my garage, but finally decided the stock exhaust is just taking up too much room. So I'm gonna list it somewhere soon.

humfrz 07-03-2017 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vdub (Post 2939380)
Wow, this is exactly me. Only had 100 miles on my stock exhaust before replacing it. I've kept all my stock parts in my garage, but finally decided the stock exhaust is just taking up too much room. So I'm gonna list it somewhere soon.

Oh, just ship it to the OP ...... you will unclutter your garage ...... he will have a new exhaust ....... and then we can stop this rust-a-phobia thread ...... :thumbsup:


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Ultramaroon 07-03-2017 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Porygon (Post 2939360)
How much do you think shipping will cost?

Check out the regional sections. Depending on where you live in Cali, you might even find someone selling locally

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2939362)
its really a question of how much you want to spend... I would be more worried about the actual car than the exhaust. I would start pulling the fender well plastic and going over the body and suspension cleaning, primering, and painting.

There's no reason to equate the rusty exhaust with the rest of the car. One or two salty winters does not mean a death sentence. As long as it has been thoroughly rinsed, it should be just fine.

OP, if you're mechanically inclined, there's nothing like solid peace of mind. Follow Justin's advice. I can tell you from experience that one guaranteed vulnerable spot is the reinforcement strip for the front hood seal. Once you get a feel for places like that, you'll know where else to look.




edit: haha.. I sat on this post waaaay too long. Tcoat beat me to it ... again. :cheers:

...and overdrive is on point. I wouldn't even sweat the exhaust.

Porygon 07-03-2017 03:57 AM

I'm just going to not even worry about the exhuast for now. I'll upgrade in the future. Thanks guys.


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FRS Justin 07-03-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2939375)
You ever live in the north? That is the grossest overkill I have ever heard. You think the second salt hit a car it starts to rust? Ridiculous suggestion.

I guess its a question of how well you take care of your shit..... I know that the first time I drove my car to the beach in Corpus Christie the engine got scale on it and the car never hit the sand, it was parked on the road. Did you ever think his car hit the beaches of the East coast Eh????
Their is a reason for the saying which is used commonly in the coastal states " The salt never sleeps"
for your reading enjoyment:


https://blog.allstate.com/does-livin...fect-your-car/


not so Ridiculous now eh...

Soloside 07-03-2017 11:56 AM

submerge your exhaust in coca cola...I hear it helps clean up rust...

humfrz 07-03-2017 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2939439)
I guess its a question of how well you take care of your shit..... I know that the first time I drove my car to the beach in Corpus Christie the engine got scale on it and the car never hit the sand, it was parked on the road. Did you ever think his car hit the beaches of the East coast Eh????
Their is a reason for the saying which is used commonly in the coastal states " The salt never sleeps"
for your reading enjoyment:


https://blog.allstate.com/does-livin...fect-your-car/


not so Ridiculous now eh...

I'll have to agree with @Tcoat (on this point.....;)).

I have driven my cars through 10 Ohio winters; 2 Germany winters; 7 Connecticut winters; 7 Missouri winters; 10 California winters; and 20 Washington winters (including driving on the beach several times).

Other than normal washing and waxing and running through a self spray car wash after the beach runs, I've done nothing else to any of my cars to prevent rusting.

I've never had a car "rust out" or had any part freeze up due to rusting/corrosion, that I couldn't break lose with the help of a shot of kerosene.

Just my personal experience ...... yours may be different ...... :iono:


humfrz

FRS Justin 07-03-2017 01:38 PM

personally I like my cars to be as clean on the bottom as they are on the top. That's just my point of view it might not bother others to have scaling or rusty areas that cant be seen. to each their own, after all everyone here has paid or is paying on their own car and has the right to do what they want.

Ultramaroon 07-03-2017 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2939598)
personally I like my cars to be as clean on the bottom as they are on the top. That's just my point of view it might not bother others to have scaling or rusty areas that cant be seen. to each their own, after all everyone here has paid or is paying on their own car and has the right to do what they want.

I do get your point. I grew up in Western New York and spent a few years in Minnesota. I have suffered with rusty fasteners enough in my lifetime to enjoy the pleasure of maintaining a clean vehicle from the bottom up. To that end I keep the anti-seize close by, even for fasteners that don't seem to need it.

It's a zen thing for me.

Syche 07-03-2017 07:18 PM

Yeah well up here in The great white north we see some crazy stuff, out east they salt the roads when the cars come here for out of province inspections we actually have to be very cautious what we pass due to potential rust and frame corrosion. that being said apparently technicians out east are some kind of wizards when it comes to using a torch to free up seized components

Just recently we actually did frame swaps on a few tacomas for rust problems.

So I can see why op is concerned but my honest reply is so long as you wash your car regularly enough and have it under coated, if the exhaust is the only thing that goes look at it as a chance to upgrade.


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Turdinator 07-03-2017 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FRS Justin (Post 2939598)
personally I like my cars to be as clean on the bottom as they are on the top...

Same. That's why I rarely wash my car. ;)

Ultramaroon 07-04-2017 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Syche (Post 2939789)
that being said apparently technicians out east are some kind of wizards when it comes to using a torch to free up seized components

Problem with that is once you hit it, and it needs to be oxyacetylene, the steel becomes twice as vulnerable to rust and it turns into a vicious cycle.

Syche 07-04-2017 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon (Post 2939912)
Problem with that is once you hit it, and it needs to be oxyacetylene, the steel becomes twice as vulnerable to rust and it turns into a vicious cycle.



Yeah a lot of the anti-seize sprays we use carry some crazy metal capillary action so they help protect quiet a bit but thankfully I am not from out east. Nor owned a car from there...


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Overdrive 07-06-2017 11:49 AM

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Thought I'd share my own exhaust to help make my point. This is a 2016, currently around 11k miles, a good 6k of that spent driving from November to March when salt, snow, and all manner of precipitation and wet road in between had at my car's undercarriage. The car was washed at the very least every 2 weeks during the winter period, but usually weekly as long as temps permitted. Pretty sure the longest I went between washes was about 2 weeks, and I always got the undercarriage sprayed.

As you can see, the only "rusty af" part is the exhaust, and only the midpipe and the connecting part to the axleback. Also pretty sure mine looks plenty worse than the OP's, and on a newer car at that. Every other part under the car is still clean, and you can even still read the stamps on them. It's summer now, so all we've been dealing with is rain, but at the moment the car hasn't been cleaned for about 2 weeks, soon to be three (several free rinses from Mother Nature the last few weeks), and you couldn't really tell from looking.

Everything still works perfectly fine in the exhaust department, so I'm not the least bit worried about it. Does it look nice? No, but unless you get on the ground to have a look, you'll never really see it. Even an aftermarket system is going to eventually see corrosion on its surface. Remember, stainless steel should be read as "stain less", not "stain-proof".


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