Probability of Eyesight Tech in 2018 BRZ
 

Like the topic states, What do you guys think are the changes of subaru installing the Eyesight tech on BRZ.

I am leaning towards never since this is a Co-op with toyota, i am not sure how much they can differ between the twins.

They always had Eyesight option in Japan for the BRZ since forever. Just not here.

Actually I don't think that's true. I don't recall seeing it featured on the Subaru Japan site for previous years. I know its currently not part of the 2017-2018.

https://www.subaru.jp/brz/brz/safety/safety.html

Truly hoping never. I bought a twin because it DOESN'T have this stuff.

Humm maybe I got confused with the parking sensors but I thought it was originally on the early editions of the printed catalog.

most of the eye-sight features wouldnt work on a manual car. (its presently offered in auto wrxs, only). That said its a great piece of safety equipment, my wife has it on her outback and its saved itself a time or two.

^ Yeah that's what I thought, it wouldn't work on a MT car. That plus that the fact that BRZ is low volume, the biz case is just not there for Subaru to bother putting Eyesight in the BRZ. Would have been nice though assuming it didn't jack up the price too much.

Agreed. My fiancé has it on her Impreza. Took it on a trip to Zion and it made the drive very relaxed and easy letting the system control the speed all the way

No chance at all--the BRZ's windshield and ceiling is way too small for the EyeSight apparatus plus Subaru only puts EyeSight on Automatic cars.

If Toyota and Subaru were serious about having Pre-Collision systems on the twins, they would adapt Toyota's SafetySense system--which have already been integrated with manual-transmissions on vehicles like the iM and Corolla. But, that still doesn't mean they'll put it on the BRZ/86.

The wife's 17 Impreza has it. At first I was all like "oh great more nannies" but after using it for a couple of longish drives I really enjoyed it. That distance maintaining cruise is beautiful.
I call it the Distracted Driver package since it will all but slap you if you do dumb shit..

Attachment 155195Ya way to big. From the front it looks like a cop car with lights in the top of the windshield.

I've got Eyesight on my Outback and my wife has it on her Forester. I agree that it would be almost impossible to implement on a BRZ (especially on a manual car).

What I would like, however, is the cross-traffic radar detection. With the BRZ's blind spots, it would be a blessing, and sheet metal saver. Blind spot monitoring would also be nice, but not a must have.

The marketing strategy for these collision avoidance systems always puzzles me. They always depict complete idiots doing stupid things and being saved by the car. For the marketing to be effective, the viewer has to watch that commercial and say, "Golly! I need that, because I'm a fucking moron too!"

I'll be sitting here watching some mindless entertainment when one of those commercials comes on, and I always have an uncontrollable urge to yell, "Dumbass!"

LOL Yep I agree. I have zero use for the lane assist but the cruise, blind spot indicators, and rear obstacle alarm are handy. The auto collision avoidance works very well and is not as intrusive as I thought it would be (I tried it with some boxes like I saw in a video). The sad part is that the people that could use these features the most will just start paying even less attention since the car really does watch out for you. It truly is the distracted driving package and I can see it preventing a pile of accidents. At least until people stop paying any attention at all that is.

I got a idea. Get yourself some wide-angle side mirrors for under $100. Totally enhanced visibility. Make driving easier for yourself while still focused at the wheel.

I bought my mirrors online the day I picked up my car. Drove it with stock mirrors for 3-5 days and would never go back.

Or you could simply adjust the stock mirrors correctly out to cover your blind spots so you only see a slither of your cars body appear in them (if at all).

Our mirrors are huge, compared to many older cars I've driven. Never have I had an issue with blind spots in this car.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20151210133445

The blind spot indicator is not intended to replace using the mirrors anyway. It is very handy to know there is somebody coming up beside you before having to check the mirror. It stops flashing you know you are good, check the mirror, shoulder check and then change lanes. It is actually less distracting then checking your mirror every few seconds to see if there is anybody there.

I love the cruise control, I remember when my dad came and visited us last year, we are just cruising down the highway chatting it up and he says to me "you know they're slowing right" and I casually responded "yeah the car has it taken care of"... the look on his face when the car slowed itself to nearly a crawl then sped back up to highway speed when it was clear was priceless. He thought I was punking him so I had to pull off the next exit so he can try it...

Toyota Corollas come standard with eyesight tech like adaptive cruise control and lane departure warning even on the manual models. Not sure if it has automatic braking though on stick.

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No manual transmission cars are available with auto stop features. Adaptive cruise control and lane assist have very little, if anything, to do with the limitations presented by a manual transmission.

You cannot have an auto braking feature on a car with a manual transmission because it could result in the engine stalling out, creating an even more dangerous driving situation.

I agree 100%.

I no longer have my BRZ because I bought my Grandfather's mint condition 1991 British Racing Green Miata (only has 78k miles now..had like 68k when I bought it from him).

The BRZ/86/FR-S are the last of the few analog cars remaining.

I think Eyesight is a great feature; I just do not want it on a Twin.

Then again, maybe it could just be an option...but I would prefer it not lumped in with the Limited trim.

I would like 3 option/standards...

Premium: leave as is

Limited: Leave as it CURRENTLY is

Limited Plus: It would be a limited with Eyesight and Blindspot warning etc etc.

I'm really only interested in blind spot warning. The side mirror indicator will do just fine.

I wish more manufacturers would adapt this type of driver side mirror. This is one thing I miss dearly from my Golf.

http://i764.photobucket.com/albums/x...e/P8100478.jpg

Me, too. The wide angle driver's mirror takes some getting used to, as the traffic in it really is much closer than it looks, but I love seeing literally everything. Remember Gallagher, the pumpkin smasher, stuck in the 60s? He once riffed on these mirrors that say "OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR. ya know what that means? It means "THIS FUCKIN THING DON'T WORK!"

A terrific driving helper for less than $100 the pair. Just pop the stock lenses out of the pods and snap the new ones in.
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That is cool.

My wife's 2500 Ram Truck (she has horses...she actually tows with it) has something similar, but its very gaudy and intrusive. The her mirrors are huge and flip up etc, they do get the job done, but are just huge.

The picture you showed looks really "normal".

This mirror is not standard equipment here in North America but I was told it is standard in the EU for most makes. I ordered the OEM part from an online shop in Germany when I drove a Golf. I was able to change lanes stupidly quick and safe without shoulder check.

I think I've seen the new Honda CRV has something similar.

Yer so right! Those of us of a certain age remember the Disney Tomorrowland segments on Sunday nights which illustrated the occupants of self-driving cars (including the driver) playing cards while being whisked down the superhighway at 80 mph. Unfortunately, many dingbats think that day has arrived, equipment or not. We have Eyesight on our Legacy, and it is great, but the thought of relinquishing anything to an automatic nanny on the BRZ just seems antithetical. Who would want their twin telling them what to do? The other way around is the nature of things, isn't it? As Tcoat's tag line tells us, from Scripture: " . . . because racecar." You can't be a distracted driver in a Twin -- you'll kill yourself and several others in a second.

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A couple dumb questions/thoughts regarding these systems. More for discussion than anything...


1) I had a co-worker with driver assist. The car jammed on it's brakes after a shopping bag was flipped out from under another car towards the camera. Maybe it's safer in the long run, but does it increase risk of getting rear-ended by a following car who's not expecting you to hit the brakes?


2) Are these systems defeatable, like during an autocross? In other words, does the system get activated by driving closer to the cones than the car thinks is safe? (Maybe more relevant to VW, where the camera is down low.)

To answer the OP's question: this generation of BRZ will not receive Eyesight.

I'm guessing your co-worker had a different brand other than Subaru? Our cars use stereoscopic cameras and 3D processing, so it would be highly unlikely to activate front end collision prevention because of a bag. Systems using radar or lidar would be more susceptible to this.

And yes, you can defeat eyesight features. Lane Keep Assist is off by default, and automatic braking can be turned off as well even on the fly. Would definitely be advisable if you're sticking the nose of your WRX up the back bumper of that poorly driven Ferrari at the track day. :)