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drz400dude 06-10-2017 02:13 PM

loud clicking/knocking noise after turbo install
 
So I installed my works stage 2 kit and everything seemed fine. It ran for about 5 minutes, no unusual noises. Then about the time the engine temp needle hit the cold line it started making this horrible clicking/knocking noise. It almost sounds like a diesel or something. I can't quite pinpoint it, but it seems to be coming from the left side of the engine, nowhere near the turbo.

https://youtu.be/rl_4VAhsxbY

dostoyevsky 06-10-2017 02:20 PM

Sounds normal to me

drz400dude 06-10-2017 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dostoyevsky (Post 2926438)
Sounds normal to me

Are you being sarcastic? Because it didn't sound like this before, and it didn't sound like this while it was warming up.

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Somerandom18 06-10-2017 03:03 PM

Sounds like mine. Like a tractor.

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drz400dude 06-10-2017 03:40 PM

Are you boosted as well? It's just weird it was as quiet as stock until it warmed up, then it got super loud. I know they are noisy little engines to begin with, but this is MUCH louder.

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Originally Posted by Somerandom18 (Post 2926450)
Sounds like mine. Like a tractor.

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Lantana frs 06-10-2017 04:08 PM

I'd start by checking for an exhaust leak.

Ethereal 06-10-2017 04:45 PM

I think it sounds cool. Very tractorish like somebody said. I like it

Amputechture 06-10-2017 06:05 PM

^^^^what Lantana said. Every 3 months or so my turbo discharge to downpipe connection gets a leak for some reason, and it sounds very 'ticky' sounding. This is a clicky, ticky sounding motor to begin with. Aftermarket injectors will add even more tick.

drz400dude 06-10-2017 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantana frs (Post 2926474)
I'd start by checking for an exhaust leak.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amputechture (Post 2926516)
^^^^what Lantana said. Every 3 months or so my turbo discharge to downpipe connection gets a leak for some reason, and it sounds very 'ticky' sounding. This is a clicky, ticky sounding motor to begin with. Aftermarket injectors will add even more tick.

I've had exhaust leaks before, and it really doesn't sound like that. I'll give it a good look over and make sure all my exhaust connections are tight.

I'm not sure if you watched the video, but its pretty loud. More of a knock than a tick. I'll make another short vid to get a comparison of when it first starts up when its cold.

drz400dude 06-10-2017 08:23 PM

There was a tiny exhaust leak between the header and up pipe, but even right down next to it it wasn't that loud. I snugged that up, but it's still making the noise. I got a video of it before it started making the noise, then as it started making it.

https://youtu.be/rl_4VAhsxbY

Lantana frs 06-10-2017 09:43 PM

Is your car an auto? I believe they have an air pump that can get awful loud.

Ethereal 06-11-2017 12:48 AM

Since you do not like it and want to sell pm me the price please. I am looking for an Frs or brz to buy and boost, thanks!

Chronology 06-11-2017 01:54 AM

I assume you have the car on the works stage 2 flash? Pull a log from cold start and post it here.

I just saw the 2nd video that sounds off to me also, something lose physically knocking?

drz400dude 06-11-2017 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lantana frs (Post 2926584)
Is your car an auto? I believe they have an air pump that can get awful loud.

No, manual.

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drz400dude 06-11-2017 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ethereal (Post 2926676)
Since you do not like it and want to sell pm me the price please. I am looking for an Frs or brz to buy and boost, thanks!

Lol I don't like it because it sounds like something is wrong. If works says that's a normal sound I'll leave it be and it won't bother me. But I doubt it.

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drz400dude 06-11-2017 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chronology (Post 2926685)
I assume you have the car on the works stage 2 flash? Pull a log from cold start and post it here.

I just saw the 2nd video that sounds off to me also, something lose physically knocking?

Yea I flashed the ecu with the tune from works before starting. I tried plugging in my OFT to look at numbers but it just goes to a white screen? I plugged it into my computer and it seems to be working fine. I'll try it in my car again. Unless the OBD2 cable got messed up some how.

Yea it does sound off :( I looked all around and I don't see anything physically moving outside. I figured if that was the case it would do it the whole time though? It seems to be at a certain point in the engine warm up process. No CEL though, and it's before the radiator fans kick in so it's not the fans. The only other external moving parts is the serpentine belt and pulleys.

It seems to be coming from the left side. Like maybe the left injectors or valves are doing something off because of the tune. I really don't know though.

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jawnthen 06-11-2017 12:17 PM

it might be okay...
 
So I watched your 2nd video and at first it does seem off to me.
I went and shot some vids of mine and after it got warm, it started to sound like yours. I've put about 5k miles on mine and never really listened to the engine with the hood up. I don't notice it at all inside. Other than a couple of oil leaks which have been fixed, I've had no other issues with the kit.

Did you add anything else to the stg 2 kit? I added flex fuel, injectors and a fuel pump and of course a custom tune. All my installation was done by Works.

Anyways, here my videos for comparison.
After cold start and idling for a minute or so.
https://goo.gl/photos/MMK4h25ewgFB8otY7

Here's after a quick run to get some bagels.
https://goo.gl/photos/Rp2xwiPbDFZBRN5J7

Chronology 06-11-2017 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drz400dude (Post 2926776)
Yea I flashed the ecu with the tune from works before starting. I tried plugging in my OFT to look at numbers but it just goes to a white screen? I plugged it into my computer and it seems to be working fine. I'll try it in my car again. Unless the OBD2 cable got messed up some how.

Yea it does sound off :( I looked all around and I don't see anything physically moving outside. I figured if that was the case it would do it the whole time though? It seems to be at a certain point in the engine warm up process. No CEL though, and it's before the radiator fans kick in so it's not the fans. The only other external moving parts is the serpentine belt and pulleys.

It seems to be coming from the left side. Like maybe the left injectors or valves are doing something off because of the tune. I really don't know though.

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I would suspect heat from warming up expanding metal, at 7 secs of the 2nd video I hear what your saying, weird that your OFT is white screened, I have an Ecutek setup we can use to pull logs if you need help, but I know jack about the sound, have you hooked up the OFT to another 86?

Lantana frs 06-11-2017 04:24 PM

I would take a long screwdriver and put the handle to my ear while probing the motor to at least find the area which the noise is coming from.

DJCarbine 06-11-2017 04:25 PM

Not sure how your tuner has it set up, maybe its the switch from DI/PORT or hybrid? Port injectors can be loud if aftermarket

Longshot, no clue what the injector strategy is on our system

drz400dude 06-11-2017 06:20 PM

Yea yours seems to do the same thing. Mine seems louder though? Maybe I'm just more paranoid about mine because it's my baby :iono:

Thanks for the videos though :respekt: It makes me feel a little better. However, I am just going to wait for tomorrow and see what works says about it.

I did add Perrin engine mounts, though I don't see what they would have to do with anything unless it was making the noise the whole time. But to be at the same RPM and then start making noise wouldn't suggest this as the problem.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jawnthen (Post 2926825)
So I watched your 2nd video and at first it does seem off to me.
I went and shot some vids of mine and after it got warm, it started to sound like yours. I've put about 5k miles on mine and never really listened to the engine with the hood up. I don't notice it at all inside. Other than a couple of oil leaks which have been fixed, I've had no other issues with the kit.

Did you add anything else to the stg 2 kit? I added flex fuel, injectors and a fuel pump and of course a custom tune. All my installation was done by Works.

Anyways, here my videos for comparison.
After cold start and idling for a minute or so.
https://goo.gl/photos/MMK4h25ewgFB8otY7

Here's after a quick run to get some bagels.
https://goo.gl/photos/Rp2xwiPbDFZBRN5J7


drz400dude 06-11-2017 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chronology (Post 2926867)
I would suspect heat from warming up expanding metal, at 7 secs of the 2nd video I hear what your saying, weird that your OFT is white screened, I have an Ecutek setup we can use to pull logs if you need help, but I know jack about the sound, have you hooked up the OFT to another 86?

I got it to work. Kinda weird. I just plugged it into my computer, and then tried the car again and it works. Thanks for the offer though.

drz400dude 06-11-2017 07:02 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Here is a data log. This is from about 30 seconds after startup to about a minute after the noise started.

drz400dude 06-11-2017 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJCarbine (Post 2926921)
Not sure how your tuner has it set up, maybe its the switch from DI/PORT or hybrid? Port injectors can be loud if aftermarket

Longshot, no clue what the injector strategy is on our system

Everything except turbo and motor mounts are stock.

The Racers Line 06-11-2017 07:48 PM

It is completely normal. As mentioned above, it is just the sound of the car transitioning from the two injection systems.

drz400dude 06-11-2017 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJCarbine (Post 2926921)
Not sure how your tuner has it set up, maybe its the switch from DI/PORT or hybrid? Port injectors can be loud if aftermarket

Longshot, no clue what the injector strategy is on our system

wow you were right, I wasn't even aware this car had both DI and PI:thumbup:

drz400dude 06-11-2017 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Racers Line (Post 2927018)
It is completely normal. As mentioned above, it is just the sound of the car transitioning from the two injection systems.

Thanks, I wasn't even aware these cars had PI/DI system. A quick google search on how it works proved useful. I guess maybe on the stock tune the set of injectors I'm hearing never kicked in at idle?

Either way good news.

woomis 06-16-2017 03:47 PM

Look at your Intake Temps! I'm on the same kit and my temps are 34 average. 51 MAX if I'm sitting at a light and it's 100deg outside.

Check your intercooler on top (only when you're 100% sure it's cooled off enough to safely check) -- Check inside and make sure coolant in there is nice and topped off and hasn't leaked out and make sure your water pump is running It should be plugged into the windshield wiper fuse and should be heard while key ON without engine on.

drz400dude 06-16-2017 04:05 PM

My temps are in F, are yours in C? How are your intake temps so low? It was about 80F in the garage when I ran that. My pump is running and my coolant is topped off.

Yea my pump is running

Quote:

Originally Posted by woomis (Post 2929963)
Look at your Intake Temps! I'm on the same kit and my temps are 34 average. 51 MAX if I'm sitting at a light and it's 100deg outside.

Check your intercooler on top (only when you're 100% sure it's cooled off enough to safely check) -- Check inside and make sure coolant in there is nice and topped off and hasn't leaked out and make sure your water pump is running It should be plugged into the windshield wiper fuse and should be heard while key ON without engine on.


woomis 06-16-2017 04:28 PM

I was hoping that was the case.

Your logs are tough to read... Post a CSV with default parameters.

woomis 06-16-2017 04:31 PM

Nevermind -- I actually just watched the video for the first time. That's the DI Pump (it's mechanical and is very much affected by the CAM). You may have the new 2017 GDI tables or something -- I'd have to see the tune.

PM me the tune Works gave you and I'll compare to mine. Anything special you want with it? E85/91 - Is it UEL or EL? Ecutek/OFT? I have this tune a few different ways....

drz400dude 06-16-2017 07:52 PM

No the file name says 2014. I sent the csv file to works and they said it looked fine. I was just worried about the noise, but everything seems to be OK.

Quote:

Originally Posted by woomis (Post 2929988)
Nevermind -- I actually just watched the video for the first time. That's the DI Pump (it's mechanical and is very much affected by the CAM). You may have the new 2017 GDI tables or something -- I'd have to see the tune.

PM me the tune Works gave you and I'll compare to mine. Anything special you want with it? E85/91 - Is it UEL or EL? Ecutek/OFT? I have this tune a few different ways....



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