Looking for advice on a big project.
 

Hey there guys, I hope this is the right area to post this, if not please let me know!

I just recently got my BRZ last year, and after enjoying it for all it's worth (including crashing it :( ) I wanted to make this car something I had more hands in than when I started with my 10 Sonata, relatively new to car mechanics I'll miss out on most lingo, but I'm very enthusiastic to learn.

I first took up getting a new intake, and managed to swap the stock with the perrin cold air. I loved the thrill of changing something, and getting that visceral feeling of the differences.

After that initial rush, I've been motivated to plan to mod (rice?) my car beyond what I was originally thinking, and decided to to give it a theme. Most of you probably wouldn't like it, but I figured some of you would be willing to give me a direction to start moving to achieve this goal of mine.

My plans with this car are to take it to the track occasionally, but mostly to just make it mine, and get a bit of performance out of it. Nothing crazy really.

I guess I'll just list off the stuff I want to do. (in order of how I think I should get things)

-New exhaust ( not sure what I should do in terms of how far :/)
I saw this picture, and didn't really know what it is I should even go for

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qim...61b3cecb4d28-c

-Rims (after I figure out my wrap color theme)
I've no idea what the differences between the brands are, of course like any brand there are cheap shit, and expensive luxury, I would appreciate some opinions or links to another thread to help me decide :O I forgot to mention that I've read through some of the threads here, and some other places, about forged rims, aluminum, half rims, and cast. but maybe i'm missing what I'm supposed to aim for.

I've a few friends that recommended some things to me, but I'm still in the dark about what to get.

--Enkeis
--Cr2P Kwami
--Cr Kai
--Work?
--Enkei RPF1 Gold
(whatever matches my color scheme)

-Suspension (I have almost no idea what I'm doing here. Same as the rims.) I don't want bags.

-Body kit
http://www.stylesports-japan.com/86fb02m.jpg

-Spoiler (if it didn't come with the kit :/)

-internal engine dressing. (color mostly)

-Lambo door kit


-Wrap
I've had a big contention internally about the design of the wrap itself, since I want to design it myself. The trouble I keep coming to is that I can't seem to find a good program, or something to flesh it out, so I can get it visualized before the rims, and other shiz I get.

I know many of you probably aren't into itasha wraps, but that's why I'm trying to design it myself, so it doesn't look too weeby... I've found a single vectorized look to the anime I want, but I'm not sure what I'm aiming for.

literally the only One Punch man Wrap I found, ironically an 86 as well haha.
http://i.imgur.com/Wj6trZl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/s04MxdS.jpg
as I forgot to mention this is going to be a one punch man themed design.

http://www.imgbase.info/images/safe-..._punch_man.jpg

--interior
Vinyl, and random cosmetics.

Later I might want to include a supercharger to this list, but I'm not sure yet.

Nor do I know what brand :(

Thank you guys for reading, and if I happened to miss anything, please let me know.

I think you need to figure out what you want with the car first before soliciting advice.

The above item tells me you want a show car and you want to enter car shows, and you also don't care about safety if you ever get in another wreck.

If you mean to show at a show, no that isn't my intention. If you mean to show off for myself, I guess that's partially true. As I said, it's mostly just for my personal pleasure.

all of this is just because I want to, I don't want to track it hard, I don't want to go getting sponsorship, and stuff. All I want, is some performance ,and the satisfaction of something I put myself into. You can just call it getting into a hobby I guess.

WOW You wrote this http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...85#post2914185 and now have come to wanting a Fast and Furious stand in lookalike?

Like Mav said you need to settle on what you want. Straight line performance? Track monster? Instagram Queen hard parker? Tastefully cosmetically modded daily driver? Nothing wrong with any of those things if that is what you want but you can't have them all.

Read the sub forums for each category you are thinking of It is all there already. When you have read through them and have some real questions then read through them again. Once you have answered your own basic questions and need specific info THEN ask in the appropriate existing threads. Asking vague open ended questions is just going to get you vague open ended replies and so many conflicting answers you will be more confused when done than when you started.
Oh, and you better start thinking of a budget since to do all that stuff right you are going to need about the price of the car all over again.

If you intend on tracking this lambo car door car at any point, please don't. You will die a horrible death at the track if you ever crash your car.

I'm picking this specific mod because 1) it tells me you have no idea what you want, and 2) your want list don't match up and need to be trimmed down.

Search. And then decide on your own. Everyone has different preferences, especially aesthetics and budget.
Some of those parts aren't cheap... like the body kit and painting etc.
Lambo doors, what is the point? They still need to go out before they go up, not really cheap either to do it "right" and safety will be compromised.
Your best bet is to go to a import car show and get some ideas going.
and searching...

Yea....I honestly don't know where to go with that. I'll start off assuming that you actually have the money required to do these things. It looks like you did some basic searching of "BRZ mods" and looked at the most popular brands without doing any further investigating. You're listing brands only and not going into specs, measurements, or even the damn purpose of the mod itself. You said that you want to make the car yours and sometimes track it, but the list that you gave is what someone who only takes their cars to win JDM shows would do.

To keep it short, you're trying to get this big picture without focusing on the first step. It sounds like you don't even know what you want your car to be yet, so you should start there. I said it earlier in another thread: modding for the sake of modding is stupid, and the only way you can be satisfied with your project is if you carefully plan each step and pick out the part that exactly fits what you want. If you rush into it and just start buying parts willy-nilly, shortly after you'll find better stuff that'll make you instantly regret what you bought.

And the lambo doors, as well as that hideous wrap, for the love of god, please don't. There's no way you're above 19 years old if you think that shit is cool.

Ok guys, I'm going to try to keep this a cordial as I can, but please don't take it personally, unlike how you all have been to me.

I like anime and nerdy shit, get over it. Jdm or anything else is irrelivant, they are all parts to me.

I only mentioned my car crash as humor of putting my car to use, but it was actually not a happy day for me, so I would appreciate it if you guys didn't equate it to who I am as a person.

I don't appreciate any of the jabs at my preferences or my ignorance of car parts.

Im not asking for a build, just a direction to find more information on organizing myself.

I said I wanted a personal use car with every once and a while track use, you have no idea what I'm even going to be doing.

Stop nit picking every piece I mentioned, and assuming everything about me

I didn't think this forum would be so quick to judge someone on an advice post, I tried to sound open, and ready for information.

We're not judging, we're accurately describing the situation you're putting yourself in.

By the looks of things, you have no idea what you're going to be doing yourself!

Understand that to even use a BRZ on a track there are specific mods you need that you didn't even list, such as new tires, brake pads, and cooling (you don't 100% need these mods but you will not last very long on a track day if you don't have them). Also understand that the car as you have it now, basically stock, is essentially the closest you'll get to having a do-it-all car, one which can go to the track, look nice at a show, and make the journey home all in a day. You're at the crossroads of diverging paths, and as soon as you start putting mods on the car you go down one of those paths. You can't mod a car to work on the track but also be a reliable, comfortable daily driver, or put too many exterior parts on without compromising the car's performance.

I'm not trying to offend, but modding is more complicated than just slapping parts on it, and I'm sure you know that. And don't think my comment about the wrap was a weaboo jab or anything; plenty of us on here like anime, and hell, there's even an anime discussion thread! The wrap simply looked horrendous.

You can do whatever the hell you want to your car, I just don't want you to end up selling it in 6 months because you're unsatisfied with it.

If you think people are taking jabs at you, you should have a thicker skin. You ARE on the internet after all.
Nothing wrong with nerdy shit, its called a hobby, those people usually grow up and make much more money.
1. Search
2. ReSEARCH
3. Budget
4. Plan
5. Buy
6. Install
7. Enjoy
And then realize what you ultimately want to do with the car and if it is a wise financial decision in the long run. If it makes you happy and it is "worth" it to you, by all means be happy and do what you want.

You fail to ask any real questions and just made a very basic list that no one really cares about(make a build thread in the other section).

You ask for advice and then get defensive when someone gives you an opinion.

Look, I was just looking for some direction on what I'm probably looking for in terms of good brands, or more refined information to understand certain areas of parts so I can make an informed decision. Most of what I listed was just generalizations about what I do know, and what I've seen.

I gave what I could for what I wanted out of it, I wrongly assumed the forum would for the most part ignore the superficial stuff I mentioned. I gave references for directions I was headed, I made no destination on anything in stone, and I got people telling me I'm going to get myself killed on the track? Without even knowing how much, or what I even plan to do. Even those who assume my age, because of preferences... Also if I would be able to afford any of it! Like, what the hell? You don't know who I am or my financial situation. I want these things because I want the color/some sort of performance to come with it if I'm buying something.

I'm going to be doing this all myself for the most part, I want to own my car, and say I did it myself. I don't want people on a forum bashing me for asking general things, and slamming me.

I've been on the internet long enough to know it's an uncensored area, but I hope to at least have some shred of understanding from a car community centered around a single model...especially for someone new. I'm not asking for much I don't think. I tried being polite while showing what I've found, and what I know.

Then let me be nice:

How would a car with altered crash characteristics do if you pop a tire going 90+ on a high speed sweeper bank and you roll the car or crash into a wall at a sharp offset angle? You want to go to the track and you don't know how the car will fare in a wreck. Perhaps you can go look at some crash videos of this car and see what happens to the doors...

Do you want to risk your life on something you do not understand, a lambo door conversion?

If you think that is a jab or slight at your mod list, it is more of a slap in your face. I'd rather be the asshole now so you can understand how little you know about your mod list and how much you need to wipe it clean and start from scratch.

First step of modifications: what do you NOT like about your car? List it, then you can pick and choose mods.

-alex

I gave an honest look to see what you meant, but I can't find much of anything.

Yeah, if I happen to end up on my roof in your extreme situation I'll be in a jam, but you're assuming what I'm doing on the track, which I'm just into doing lap times, and maybe some cone drifting.

Disregarding the lambo door all together, I've gained nothing of value looking for help here.

Thanks for at least semi-trying to help.

PS: any of you other people read this, try asking a guy his positions before assuming his whole life story, and personality. It may help promote a conversation, god forbid.

The points we made were all intended to help not harm. You threw a picture of all the types of exhaust up and said you didn't even know what the differences are. You want us to start at the basics and go through each part for you? Then the minute somebody says something that you did know you will call them condescending?
Like I said before when you have a specific question on a specific product ask and you will get answers. Until you reach that point check the existing info.
Although if this is how you respond when people offer reasonable advice on how to move forward then you are not likely to get fuck all answers from anybody that knows what they are talking about anyway.

Maybe you should change the thread title to "Looking for somebody to spoon feed me what I want to know" since advice does not seem to be your target.

Back to the first paragraph of the first post in this thread. You mention you crashed your car and are "very enthusiastic to learn"
1.Go to a hpde event or driving school or track day with instructors. Read up on driving and setup theory.
2.More reading and searching, if you don't put in the time, I wouldn't call that "very enthusiastic to learn". Knowledge takes time. Spend the time. Or don't... Good luck have fun.

If you don't know where to search, you ask someone. Sorry I'm not exactly as I described, maybe I'll re word to Curious to learn, or something less heavy than what you are expecting.

I asked for a general direction, all you had to do was link me to something insightful, or informative. I'm not looking to take a year of your time explaining something you've done before, or has been said.

I've looked up stuff, but It was either over my head, or referencing things I have no clue about, and ends up leading down a rabbit hole.

" Then the minute somebody says something that you did know you will call them condescending?"

I'm sorry what? I have done nothing of the sort. I've been thankful for the actual help I've been given, unlike the personal attacks on what I've put up.

Honestly go away if you don't even want to have a decent conversation, if I was vague, you could have just responded with, "Hey, you aren't being very specific with what you want with this topic, care to elaborate on X?"

I tried being polite in the intro, and then I got all the lovely responses, and I saw the direction the conversation was gravitating towards.

I tried, but I feel I've been demonized to the point of no recovery.

I'd say if you want to pull off Itasha this side of japan, start with just the hood, like this:

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...yepz7vfcn1.jpg

Look, I'll say it one more time: nobody is trying to insult you or demonize you, we're simply trying to tell you that you can't come to a forum with no knowledge and expect people to tutor you. It's not respectful to the other members to request their time to find information for you when you should be doing it yourself. If you have a specific question or a particular problem, we will happily help you. But what you're asking for is the entire modding encyclopedia, and to expect someone else to spend the hours it requires getting all the answers out of their own time is very inconsiderate. If you don't realize how basic and generalizing your "list" is then I don't know what to tell you.

It sounds to me like you realized how much researching needed to be done, and didn't want to put in the effort. If you were "curious to learn" you'd have done a lot more searching before coming here. And no place to search, really? Everyone has Google!

And in all honestly, if any of us were a little rude in our responses, it's because the list you gave is extremely unrealistic. It's the list that a 15 year old who just watched Initial D would make after doing a tiny amount of researching. I get that modding a car is very fun, I feel the same way every time I work on my car, but you have to weigh your dream list to real-world circumstances. For example, if you want to express your interest in anime, get some vinyl stickers; you don't have to go so far as a full-body wrap to let people know what you like. A wrap like that would cost you close to $3000 and literally everyone would give you shit for it, to the point where you'd probably hate it after a month.

I keep going back to that wrap. Jesus it's awful...

Isn't asking for more specific info exactly what I said?


You were warned about the hazards of lambo doors yet your response is disbelief and snarky "you don't know me" rhetoric so the whole "I just want to learn" thing goes out the window if you only want to hear what supports your ideas.




The conversation was not gravitating in any direction except what you made it in your head. Are you so angry you read everything written as angry?


I have read all the posts three times now and see no personal attacks just you lashing out at everybody because you don't like the advice they gave you even though you asked them for it.

Lol I was kinda like you once OP. I didn't know much about cars other than what I saw in the Fast and the Furious and Need for Speed.

Back then everyone was into lambo doors, huge rims and wings, body kits, loud mufflers and sub woofers because that's all we saw in the movies/games. If you still want to build a flashy show car like that, go for it. It's your car and you can do whatever you want.

But I've spent my fair share of money on modding a few different cars. My advice for anyone new is to spend more on performance than looks. And when I say performance, I don't necessarily mean turbo, supercharger or NOS. I mean overall performance like tires, suspension, brakes and minor power increases like bolt ons. Those modifications can be done relatively cheap (compared to turbos) and will make your daily drive a lot more fun.

Looks are subjective. You may love that vinyl wrap but most people will look at it and think it's a waste of money. Why spend so much on lambo doors, wraps, body kits only to get the kind of hate that you're getting right now? (To be honest I'm also guilty because I think the wrap is ugly too. No offense.) I would rather you spend the money on something that you will enjoy everytime you drive the car and might actually help you a bit on track.

Look at the member builds section for people that go tracking or autocross and see what kind of parts they are using. If you are only going to track occasionally, don't go all out with roll cages and harness and stripped interiors. Follow someone who did a mild autocross or occasional track car set up.

Like I said it's your car and if you still really want the vinyl/body kit etc. go for it. But just remember, at the end of the day you will spend a lot more time inside the car driving it, then standing outside looking at it. So I would say focus your mods on the driving experience.

I disagree. If people want to mod for looks and looks alone that is perfectly fine and totally up to them. Not everybody is looking for performance. They should not not do it because others will not like it but they need to understand that not everybody is going to drool all over it and they are indeed going to get comments they don't want to hear. It also does not mean that the best defense is a good offence theory applies so they do not need to walk around with a chip on their shoulder looking for a fight (common among the hellaflush crowd).


I repeat. Please show me the "hate" comments that keep getting brought up here. I fail to see them. People advised against the lambo doors in a perfectly reasonable manner and it was the OP's reaction that went way over the top.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PSmY9B9x1c"]2014 Scion FR-S small overlap IIHS crash test - YouTube[/ame]

If you have lambo doors, usually you need to weld the mechanism to the chassis.

See how the driver's side door deforms? If it was an aftermarket door hinge the chances of it not deforming and pushing directly into the passenger cabin is very real.

You can cone dodge all you want but I have personal experience when it comes to cone dodging (since 2000 or so). I have been at a parking lot event where someone's throttle got stuck wide open, slide about 100 yards wide of the course, and hopped an island in the middle of the parking lot and hit the light pole at around 30MPH.

The car was destroyed and to make matters worse, he stitch welded his chassis and the entire thing was destroyed from a minor impact. And, a friend of mine escaped injury when the spring that shot out from the front suspension missed him by about 5 feet. He was about 300 yards away taking photos...

So, what I've said to you is an insult and waste of time. Keep thinking that and you can be thankful if you ever get into a situation where the lack of some mods would save your life.

Side note: this is why TUV standards in Germany require the use of TUV certified suspension top hats, so the car has predictable crash characteristics on the road.

-alex

Because nobody ever crashed running laps or drifting.

Everybody else, just stop. You're wasting your time with this guy.

/Ignore John Titor

What I write is not for OP, it's for everyone else that will search and come across threads about "lambo doors"

That is why I carry on with debates way past when I should say screw it and walk away. Not for the guy that doesn't want to listen but for the ones that do.

No. That is not the answer either. Should he ever come back, spends as much energy in research as he did in complaining that nobody would help asks well thought through questions and respects the replies that he receives even if they are not what he wants to hear then I for one would be happy to assist in any way I can.
If he can't put this behind him and move forward then that is on him not us and any help we tried to offer would be wasted anyway.

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