6MT vs Paddle shiftting Auto
 

I'm a traditional Manual driver. I'm all about grabbing the next gear. But when they announced the Auto will have paddle shifters via the steering....all I can think of is it being as fun as a damn video game. Blipping the paddles could give you that F1 feel. Heck the R35 has paddle shifts. So I'm stuck! If the paddle shifter auto is as strong as the manual gear box (in terms of being able to hold the power I'm going to throw at it), I could find myself rolling in an Auto FR-S.

Thoughts/Discuss.

Oh no this is gonna turn into a hate thread the moment someone chooses Auto.


It's going to happen, this is just asking for trouble, the car isn't even out and people are starting to become Scion douche bags. As can be seen Via other automatic discussion thread.

The thing is that we don't know what kind of auto is in it....some one speculated it's an Aisin 6AT same as the one in the new Miata. Other say they might be one similar to the Lexus, and another say it's like a 370Z.

Either way it's going to cost more than a Manual.

Also people get Auto mixed with Dual Clutch. They're not the same :/ I'm considering Auto, as most people know already.

But it will be decided at the test drive.

And just for the record I'm choosing Auto due to health problems not because I don't want a Manual.

too bad there's no Porsche PDk in a Toyota ;/

I think you may be confusing the amazing technology in the F1 paddle shifters vs the novelty idea of putting the automatic 'gear select' option up by the steering wheel and thus calling it a paddle shifter.

auto-manu-shift is pretty much junk in nearly every common cars trans, if I had to choose one it would be VW's DSG and im sure thats nothing like what the scion will have.

And I don't think the automatic poll choice is right, it's not a F1 Dual Clutch Paddle...It's a Paddle more like a 370z...I mean I guess I understand the idea.

I hope it's not like the the crap tastic one on a genesis. Don't get me worng I loved the manual V6 Genesis, but the paddles on there are the most horrible thing I've ever driven. Worst Experience ever.

CVT on a CRZ was fun though

^^No over analyzing. I am not comparing F1 technology to that of a paddle shifter in a common car. Just the "sense" and "feel" is all I'm talking about. It could be fun giving it's pushing the power. A good exhaust note after blipping the paddle shift...could be very sweet. I agree it will be after a good test drive. If the paddle is smooth and fast (I don't expect R35 fast), it could be a first for me. I'm definitely going to drive both though.

For now I'm going to select 6mt for traditions sake.

I vote auto. But putting a auto with a n/a 2.0 liter with low torque numbers is a recipe for a weaker torque feel. Im torn.

Gonna drift it/canyon drive it, so I'm going 6MT :)

I will have clutch pedal until the day the Feds ban the internal combustion engine.

Personally, I much prefer an auto. For someone who drives a lot in traffic (on probably the worst freeways known) it makes more sense for me. I think it's really cool that we have a choice at all, surely didn't have to be that way. :party0030:

MT for me.... I hate auto :o

Sounds like the 91 freeway. LOL

and the 405, 210 E, 101, 110, 5...I drive on em' all.

MT, great feeling when u have stick in your hand

405 isn't so bad.

210 sucks. 110 (roads) sucks. 101 sucks. 5 (Towards LA.. road is terribad) sucks depending on hour. 91 always sucks except during 11pm till random late hours. Lol

I hope we get a DCT. That would be great!!!

My g/f's '08 IS has an AT w/the F1 paddle shifters and it's not even close to the feel of a true 6MT. I feel the only benefit is the ability to take it to redline but the up and down blips are not that smooth; and this is in city driving.

6MT for me! :thumbsup:

Is that an IS or IS-F? I just don't see the need for a Luxury Sedan to have a True 6MT feel seem like it defeats the purpose and price you pay ;/. Not to be obnoxious or anything but could you clear that up. Reason I'm asking is that if the FR-S has that similar gearbox then we're gonna have a problem, cause then it be some terrible Auto from your description.

Shit, I wish it was an IS-F! :bellyroll: It's a IS350. When I shift down from 3-2 or 2-1 for example, you can feel the tranny lunge. I tried speed shifting and it was kind of bland.

I think a 6MT in a lux sedan would be perfect and I couldn't imagine buying an Audi or an M3 and they didn't offer a 6MT! That would be a deal breaker for me if that was the case.

That's what she said...

I've driven a bunch of cars with paddle shifters and while the speed in chaging gears and the quickness the car grabs the next gear is amazing you dont get the rush of tryin to drive fast. I enjoy the pressure and excitement around hitting my shifts when I need to. Paddle shifters are faster but they certainly don't have the same joy and excitement factor to them

Auto with paddle shifters will be ideal as long as it's not lagging like the ones in my IS.
But I will get MT since I haven't driven one for like.... 3 years.

That's highly dependent on the transmission.

If it's the one in EVO X, then yes.

And the Smart Fortwo?

I never sit in one(fortwo), but EVO X MR uses DCT, it hella fast.

Mind poke was that the Smart Fortwo easily employs the slowest paddle shifting automatic ever created. I could probably swap 2 cogs before it gets it together!

shifting gears is already 2nd nature to me, ive driven a car with paddle shifters and it felt uncomfortable

Hm... I for one gonna buy MT, but nothing against paddle AT.

It would really depend on the kind of automatic, since I haven't done much driving in a manual car. If it's a slushbox it'll be the manual.

Do you rev match downshift? I say learn how to drive a manual transmission to its fullest and learn to blip the throttle like a BOSS.

I don't mind driving a manual in traffic, it's second nature so I don't even think about it.

I wont mind the traffic either but wont you have to replace the clutch more often?

Hmmm I think clutches are alot stronger and last longer these days, Hard core modders will mod their clutch as well. Depending on the flywheel weight Might be one of the first thing I replace. I like light flywheels for faster rev. This is if it's a manual of course.

Any 4 cylinder engines out there where auto improves the driving experience over manual?

I drove my 92 Integra for about 10 years now, never had to replace the clutch once. It should last almost forever if you shift well and change the transmission fluid every two years.

My past 3 sports cars have all been manuals. I would possibly switch it up depending on the feel of the paddle shifters. Here in Socal traffic is a b*tch and having to put the clutch in/out every couple of seconds gets old real fast!

Nope don't think there is, all the fun ones are more DSG, or Sequential type. Which technically is in a category of it's own. Since Sequential manual and dual clutch mimics an auto.

Now driving experience if your taking about motor sports then On a autocross or a track yes a Manual would have better driver experience, on the canyon on the mountains yes the manual is best.

In Rush hour traffic, on a Monday at 3:45pm going down I95 or out of LA, Or into LA in the morning or into DC NYC at 8 am. Auto definitely improves the driving experience. I haven't heard anyone here outright say I love manual in Traffic. There's more of I'm getting Manual even if they're traffic. "like Im unwillingly putting up with it, it's almost Saturday where I can let loose"

Honestly the question isn't very detailed, because it doesn't state specific. Driver involvement or overall experience or improve experience where??. One person's FR-S might never see a track or join in on a autocross. It might be someone midlife crisis present and they never drove manual in their life and has no choice but to get an auto.

There's a handful of 4 cyl engine cars with a traditional auto with paddles very few. And no these cars does not provide the best experience, you need to drive them with a manual to have the best driver involvement experience.

I will how ever stand by the argument that Dual Clutch type Automatics are Fun, and still involving. But that's an invalid argument since the FR-S wont have it. ( we don't know)

The bottom line is Manual FR-S is best. Hand down. People who would get them in Auto are more by circumstances and or because they don't know better. Like all the mary sues out there that just want a pretty car.

AT for me, but I might join the MT bandwagon. Depends if this is my DD or not.

Im going for a more "spirited" drive. 6 speed manual all the way!!

Looks like the overwhelming vote goes to the 6MT.

Yes mister obvious, I didn't think for one second...that it was going to be AT lol