Upgrade the FRS?
 

must resist urge to trade FRS for

http://www.lexus.com/cm-img/gallery/...-MY18-0007.jpg

http://www.lexus.com/models/LC

STARTING AT
$92,000*

good god

Well, are you aiming to upgrade from a car to a boat?

*Automatic transmission only*


No thanks.

Do not let the "automatic" scare you. You would soon forget that manuals even exist.

Agree with Tcoat. modern day AT is great. Twin have proven that (for me)... Love the LC look as well and Toyota have put some good amount of technology.

For me, not sure LC is a upgrade. All these gizmo is taking the "fun" of driving. These automotive companies bring out high techs and make the car go faster, safer &/or powerful... but result is a very dull driving experience. Look at R35. Without a doubt that Godzilla is FAST! But is it because of the driver? No, driver factor doesn't even come to calculation til actual GT or other racing. Beginner driver can drive R35 like driving one in Gran Turismo or some game feeling and drive it fast. Same concept w LC, Toyota put so much technology into it, driver doesn't even feel how much power it has or how fast they're going.

So in the end, LC is downgrade for me. I rather have a car that I have to earn to go fast. I control the car, not car control me.

...but that's just my 2yen

You can turn all those gizmos off though and actually drive. You will probably die a fiery death but you could do it.

Sadly. LC won't not allow full assist off. It can get close to it, but it won't all the assist off. Same goes w R35 & few other hyper cars.

To prevent at least a few fiery deaths.

It sounds cold-blooded saying this, but survival of fittest... as long as it doesn't drag other ppl to it, I dot see much problem ppl dying from not respecting these killing machines. Just don't like owners complaining "Oh this R35 (or other high hp cars) doesn't have enough power, so I NEED more power." I'm like try driving 200hp car without any assist and can push it hard. Cuz I highly doubt they'll be saying that they need more power... but again, this is just my rant.

Tell that to my left foot.

I got passed by one of these yesterday. It's a beautiful design. Nice size for a coupe too. Closer to the 86 than a Challenger or something unwieldy.

I can't get past that horrendous harelip.
No. Just... no.

http://www.lexus.com/cm-img/gallery/...-MY18-0007.jpg

http://www.sciencephoto.com/image/90...re_lip-SPL.jpg

This or an S-Class coupe?

Def the LC500.

LC500 or 6-Series Coupe?

6-Series Coupe.

Granted the 6-series coupe is dead. We do have the 8-series to look forward to, apparently.

In a fictitious world, if I had $100K + lying around I'd just get a GT350R.

This thing looks insane, but I am kind of shocked by the 5 cubic feet in the trunk considering the car is relatively large. I guess you could take out the full size spare.... But if you have the money I could never fault you. You will turn a lot of heads.

4280 lb., jeebus...

I think the 86 is a much cooler car.

I agreen with @ZDan

4300lbs!!!! Good lord, might as well be driving a friggin Challenger.

What is the deal with Lexus making 2 sport coupes that weigh ungoldy amounts???
How about making a coupe ~3500lbs with 400+hp, I'd buy into something like that.

Everybody says they want more power but as soon as there is more and the car get's swole they freak out.


They don't make a 3500lb one with 400hp because that is not what they are into. Simple as that.


If they made a 3500lb one with 400hp all the people that wouldn't (couldn't) buy it anyway would just say it should be 600HP and weigh 3000lbs.


We are comparing apples to cantaloupes when putting these up beside the 86.

That's what the Supra is for silly.

And it:
Won't have enough power
Will have the wrong engine
Will be too loose
Will be not loose enough
Will have too many gadgets
Will not have enough gadgets
Should have been shaped like X
Should have been shaped like Y
Doesn't use good enough oil
Should have been $20,000 cheaper

The Supra will never be able to live up to the hype that surrounds it. If say the odds are reasonable that this car flops. I sure hope it doesn't though.


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Just like another car I have heard about.

My post..lol....and its a beautiful looking car.....I don't care about the performance aspect on this one, its the luxury and the looks that win for me....

guess that's what being older than dirt dose to you.....no longer feel the need to speed, but what that 20 something seat cover thinks....................

It's a beautiful machine, hampered by the spindle grille's overuse amongst most of Lexus' lineup.

LC > FRS/86

A lot of reasons but you're really comparing a grown up car to a boy racer car lol. I enjoyed my FRS but at this point in my life I'd take something sporty, quick, quiet, smooth, sexy, luxurious, blah blah blah you get the idea.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...9ae07033e9.jpg

Car I would trade my FRS for.


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Take away the movie/video game presence and 2jz platform, and you're just left with another 3000lb sports coupe.

I've never understood the hype for the Supra, honestly. It's a cool car, and it has some nice lines, but people will wet their panties when they see one going down the street, and I'm just sitting there like........what?

No mystery to me:


http://www.omniauto.it/awpImages/pho...-diesel_27.jpg

As somebody who sat in and rode in that exact vehicle multiple times as a kid, I get it...Flashy, cool noises, quick... But I still don't see the hype. There are other cars that are flash, make cool noises, and are quick.

I agree. I have never drove or even sat in one but neither have about 99.9% of the guys that drool over them. As you said it is a cool car but the hype exceeds the reality. That and even it could not do the things they did in the movies (not and stay out of jail or alive at any rate).

100k? Rather get a used GTR.

Set expectations extremely low, the Z4 at it's peak moved 20k units in 2003, I supremely doubt the Z5/Supra ever tops that given recent auto sales trends.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

I'd be very impressed if they managed to move even 1k/month combined at peak. That would be outselling the 911.

1000+ hp on stock internals bro

That plus the movie is pretty much all the hype. Undeniably it's an excellent machine put together very well, I bet it'd be a blast to drive one that's well setup, if they never got rice taxed to hell I bet they'd still be worth money because it's so capable on it's own merits (like clean FD RX-7's, C5 'Vette, 996 911). But I'll take a Porsche at the same price point any day. That will go for the new one as well.

Right, that's what I meant in my first post. The 2jz and the exposure through movies/video games.

The one from the movie made lik 560hp (iirc) and that felt really quick to me. Granted, I was like 11 at the time, but I get the hype for the powerplant. The actual car itself is where I have trouble. I'd rather just drop the 2j into a different, lighter chassis.

The Supra is the highest build quality, most reliable, tuning friendly car ever made. Add in low production #s for the TT/6sp combination and the movie fame and there isn't much else to 'get'. There were better track cars (RX7, NSX) but for the non-track enthusiast the Supra dominated the hearts and minds in the turn of the century tuning phase for pretty simple reasons. Pick a car from that time that isn't an NSX and do a 1v1 comparo and its virtues become apparent.

Also they didn't randomly choose the Supra for F&F 1 -- 90s tuners figured out pretty quickly that it was significantly faster than any other attainable car with minor upgrades. That's why the Ferrari scene in the first one had so much impact.

Actually, the choice for a Supra in the first movie was random. Originally, they were going to use a 3000GT, but then they were persuaded to the Supra for a variety of reasons.

The people who wrote that movie had pretty much no idea what they were talking about. There were people hired on just to TRY to help keep them on track.

What was the variety of reasons?

The original screenplay the hero car was a RB26 swapped 240SX, which is why the "2jz... no shit" line makes no sense. It was supposed to be "RB26... no shit."

Still looks like a sporty version of an Aztec to me.

Love the early Supras, but don't get these at all...

There I said it, I'll take my ban now.

LOL I wonder how many of the Fanbois are going to try to call you out with their "facts" over your "lies".
Without knowing your back story (and that it is real) it does just come off as tall tails.

According to who?

Lol where are you getting this info from?

Long story short: My dad was tech advisor for the first 2 movies and gathered the cars for the Tokyo Drift. He was the owner of the orange supra & blue maxima in the first movie, along with the silver skyline in the second.

He was approached at a car show by some people who handed him a script for a movie (was then called "Redline") He went through it, and then they started making changes here and there and started production. The 3000GT was ditched because there were better tuner cars on the market, cars that people considered to be more prestigious than others, and because certain scenes would not work with the 3000GT. The scene where Paul Walker jumps out of the Supra onto the Semi truck required a vehicle with a targa top- something that the 3000GT didn't offer.

My Dad had a Supra at the time, took Rob Cohen for a ride in it and, after consideration, they ultimately decided they were going to use that vehicle for the movie. An RB-swapped 240sx was never in contention to be the hero car lol

There was a similar scenario with 2F2F. The hero car was supposed to be a couple of compact Dodge tuner cars (take a guess) but they turned down the proposal from Dodge and intercepted a couple Evo VIIs on their way to a rally time somewhere in Europe.

Further clarification here:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_iLGd8qSrQ"]Behind the Scenes: Fast and the Furious - Garage419 - YouTube[/ame]