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Drambeenie 05-10-2017 09:47 AM

Drambeenie Risers MEGATHREAD.
 
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http://www.ft86speedfactory.com/dram...17-86-brz.html





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ORIGINAL POST

I removed my spoiler but the green pop clips didn't come along with it. I tried pushing in the sides but it's difficult because the other flap is inside of the trunk. This spoiler is different than the prior years.

Thoughts? First image is inside of the trunk opened, second is ontop of the trunk. Black oval is a decal I put to cover the hole.

https://i.imgur.com/LkvVYRd.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DftSwGL.jpg

Summerwolf 05-10-2017 10:35 AM

You selling the 2017 spoilerr?

Gunman 05-10-2017 12:44 PM

Looks like you pinch the clip on the inside, and push it out of the car.

8RZ 05-10-2017 12:47 PM

Yeah try using a flathead to push in the tabs and remove the clip.

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summerwolf (Post 2907674)
You sellibg the 2017 spoilerr?

No, I'm disassembling the spoiler - Going to 3D print larger pylons so that the wing sits higher.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2907755)
Looks like you pinch the clip on the inside, and push it out of the car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2907760)
Yeah try using a flathead to push in the tabs and remove the clip.

Ok I just tried that. Half of the clip seems like it's coming out but there's another tab on the underside of the green piece that I can't reach due to the trunk hole size and clip placement. Suggestions?

8RZ 05-10-2017 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2907792)
Ok I just tried that. Half of the clip seems like it's coming out but there's another tab on the underside of the green piece that I can't reach due to the hole opening size and clip placement. Suggestions?

Can you twist the cap so the other tab faces you?

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8RZ (Post 2907793)
Can you twist the cap so the other tab faces you?

Unfortunately I can't. The clips are rectangular and require both flaps (or pins) to be pushed in to be removed.

I'll try using my pic tool and see if it'll get to the underside and fit.

trippinbillies40 05-10-2017 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2907813)
Unfortunately I can't. The clips are rectangular and require both flaps (or pins) to be pushed in to be removed.

I'll try using my pic tool and see if it'll get to the underside and fit.

Pic tool was going to be my suggestion.

Also, subscribed for pics of finished product. If it looks good, there could be a market for it :)

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trippinbillies40 (Post 2907820)
Pic tool was going to be my suggestion.

Also, subscribed for pics of finished product. If it looks good, there could be a market for it :)

Will do! I'm also excited to make it and see what the finished higher spoiler looks like.

Summerwolf 05-10-2017 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2907792)
No, I'm disassembling the spoiler - Going to 3D print larger pylons so that the wing sits higher.

Oh. That sounds.....interesting.

tacos 05-10-2017 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2907792)
No, I'm disassembling the spoiler - Going to 3D print larger pylons so that the wing sits higher.



!!!!!!! ive been thinking about how someone should do this since i got the car, i cant wait to see how it looks:cheers:

spike021 05-10-2017 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2907792)
No, I'm disassembling the spoiler - Going to 3D print larger pylons so that the wing sits higher.

Will whatever you print be durable enough to be back there?

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike021 (Post 2907991)
Will whatever you print be durable enough to be back there?

Yes. We're going to be using industrial 3D printers. This isn't a HomeKit 3D printer. There are many 3D printing processes and machines and materials. We'll test the parts thoroughly and build it for structural considerations. Given the amount of wind resistance that can be generated at high speeds, we'll be very thorough.

My cousin is a robotics engineer so we're going to make sure it's structurally sound, sturdy, durable and most importantly safe!

Gunman 05-10-2017 07:27 PM

Needle nose pliers won't fit up in there?
https://www.tubesandmore.com/sites/d.../s-tnn7776.png

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2908030)
Needle nose pliers won't fit up in there?

Holy shit that's a long plier. I tried regular pliers but it just seemed to squeeze the outer part of the piece instead of pushing in the flaps that are slightly recessed.

spike021 05-10-2017 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2908028)
Yes. We're going to be using industrial 3D printers. This isn't a HomeKit 3D printer. There are many 3D printing processes and machines and materials. We'll test the parts thoroughly and build it for structural considerations. Given the amount of wind resistance that can be generated at high speeds, we'll be very thorough.

My cousin is a robotics engineer so we're going to make sure it's structurally sound, sturdy, durable and most importantly safe!

If you don't have an IG or similar for your car you should set one up! Would be interesting to follow the progress of this, unless you guys are going to keep it relatively quiet till it's done.

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike021 (Post 2908043)
If you don't have an IG or similar for your car you should set one up! Would be interesting to follow the progress of this, unless you guys are going to keep it relatively quiet till it's done.

I'll post the progress on my main IG account. This is really just a fun project more than anything else, and if people are interested in it and would like it too then great!

www.instagram.com/StephenMarkLevi

Gunman 05-10-2017 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2908040)
Holy shit that's a long plier. I tried regular pliers but it just seemed to squeeze the outer part of the piece instead of pushing in the flaps that are slightly recessed.

Put some tape on the ends, to make "high spots" to push in more on the clips. Sort of like this:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pro...7502d1_400.jpg

Drambeenie 05-10-2017 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunman (Post 2908061)
Put some tape on the ends, to make "high spots" to push in more on the clips. Sort of like this:

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pro...7502d1_400.jpg

Very clever. I'll give that a shot!

Drambeenie 05-11-2017 12:43 AM

Got it! This was the pic that did it and super easily too.

https://i.imgur.com/qKd2bSC.jpg

I continued with the rest of the disassembly. I took measurements, but we're also going to 3D scan the pieces to create a CAD model we can modify to be taller. The pylons are definitely plastic with metal reinforcement for the screws to attach to. Pretty easy to disassemble actually.

https://i.imgur.com/JUtM3Qa.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DUAwEYz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dZZp5gq.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KQpa2x0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/44eFCqw.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cUBnvTN.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/fdsKof3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0KsbzOL.jpg

Removed the little pieces that sit ontop of the wing. They pop right off with a plastic panel tool.

https://i.imgur.com/6ZWWzTm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/scU5O6R.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/H84VUXp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Q5Svqvy.jpg

Little rubber piece. Not sure if this will be necessary with the higher spoiler.
https://i.imgur.com/wyoXERK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dItVBWE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RuFWtbm.jpg

Seasaw 05-11-2017 06:22 PM

Please post the results! I really like the 17 wing, yet I also had the idea of having it raised a little bit higher. Exited to see how this turns out!

DrButtDrugs 05-11-2017 06:28 PM

Kind of a long shot but I'm guessing the MY17 spoiler doesn't match up properly with the 13-16 spoiler bolt pattern, does it?

Drambeenie 05-11-2017 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrButtDrugs (Post 2908676)
Kind of a long shot but I'm guessing the MY17 spoiler doesn't match up properly with the 13-16 spoiler bolt pattern, does it?

It looks like the two bolts on both sides of the trunk match up pretty close, but the 17 spoiler has an additional clip above the bolts, whereas 13-16 has additional clips that run down the width of the trunk.

In my rough estimation you could attach a 17 wing to a previous year BRZ if you patch the trunk clip holes

johan 05-11-2017 08:17 PM

I'm in for following this. I've been talking on/off with engineering friends about this over the last 6 months. I just haven't pulled the trigger on any development yet.

A side note. Subaru strengthened the '17 trunk lid on the sides to help support the weight/downforce of the new spoiler. So while you could retrofit it to an older trunk, it might deform.

Borchert97 05-11-2017 11:36 PM

They specifically designed the new spoiler to complement the car aerodynamically with what's going on up front, not sure why you'd wanna mess with that too much.

johan 05-12-2017 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 2908854)
They specifically designed the new spoiler to complement the car aerodynamically with what's going on up front, not sure why you'd wanna mess with that too much.

For fun.

:D

Drambeenie 05-12-2017 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borchert97 (Post 2908854)
They specifically designed the new spoiler to complement the car aerodynamically with what's going on up front, not sure why you'd wanna mess with that too much.

This car was made to mod :)

Drambeenie 05-12-2017 06:22 PM

Initial sketches - not CAD yet. Let me know if you guys like any in particular. It's hard to judge without seeing it in physical form or on the car, so we're going to narrow it down and prototype just a few of them. Happy friday!

http://i.imgur.com/t1BhBeA.png

Here is what the 2.5x looks like from the back (roughly)

http://i.imgur.com/z3ve4lY.png

johan 05-12-2017 07:25 PM

I saw this today, and it got me thinking:

http://autoguide.com.vsassets.com/bl...os-10-copy.jpg

Article: http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...ng-around.html

Even taller, with adjustable angle? I think being able to change the AOA would be excellent.

johan 05-12-2017 07:36 PM

The other thing I have had on my mind for this spoiler, a gurney flap. Connect it via the posts and the outer screws, if it was a rigid enough material, it should stay in place really nicely.

Drambeenie 05-12-2017 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johan (Post 2909352)
Even taller, with adjustable angle? I think being able to change the AOA would be excellent.

So funny, I saw that too and then realized the straight spoiler width wasn't going to be an issue (I thought it might be too chunky at first)

The issue with being taller, is that the side panels that sit perpendicular to the wings are really kinda small. So the taller you go with the spoiler, the more awkard they look. As a phase 2 I could also produce larger side panels to go with the larger height, similar to the Subaru BRZ Sti Concept.

http://www.blogcdn.com/es.autoblog.c...ept-sti-la.jpg

I also want to make sure it still has the OEM look to it, as if it came from factory.

Adjustable angle would be a cool idea - same with the gurney flap. I think I'm gonna just start with the simple extension, get a feel for the process of producing the part and then go from there. These are really good ideas for future variations.

VIP BRZ 05-13-2017 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2909322)
Here is what the 2.5x looks like from the back (roughly)

http://i.imgur.com/z3ve4lY.png

I was all for this until i saw the render, IMO the wing itself is so thin and skimpy it looks a little funny at the height of some of the other monster wings on the market. Its more suited to be tucked in tight to the body.

I see what your doing, its an easy (cheepish) little thing to customize the wing you were already given. who knows maybe ill change my mind once i see the final products. hope you carry this out! subd

Drambeenie 05-13-2017 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIP BRZ (Post 2909632)
I was all for this until i saw the render, IMO the wing itself is so thin and skimpy it looks a little funny at the height of some of the other monster wings on the market. Its more suited to be tucked in tight to the body.

I see what your doing, its an easy (cheepish) little thing to customize the wing you were already given. who knows maybe ill change my mind once i see the final products. hope you carry this out! subd

Here's what 2x height (roughly) looks like. Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/jlOj1NX.png
http://i.imgur.com/yADBg3R.png
http://i.imgur.com/yTGWINK.png

VIP BRZ 05-13-2017 02:02 PM

Not as bad at x2 height

here's what i would do if i was designing this project.
Id have some metal bracket type mounts CNC cut, rather then the 3d printed towers. these could be made to be structurally sound for sure, and match the thickness of the wing better. something like this.

http://i64.tinypic.com/x45evq.jpg

Drambeenie 05-13-2017 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VIP BRZ (Post 2909669)
Not as bad at x2 height

here's what i would do if i was designing this project.
Id have some metal bracket type mounts CNC cut, rather then the 3d printed towers. these could be made to be structurally sound for sure, and match the thickness of the wing better. something like this.

I see what you mean. That would be a much more aftermarket look.

The challenge with even doing something simple CNC'd out of metal, is that the pylons don't sit flat. So the bottom, where they're attached to the trunk tilt on an angle and the length of them has an S-curve. The mounting points at the top is at another angle. The wing, though it looks like it's completely flat, actually curves. When you sit it on the floor, the sides very slightly curve downwards. Not saying what you want to do isn't possible, just that a flat piece of metal would need to be bent in a precise way to line up with the factory hardware and not have any gaps.

Another possibility to increase the height of the wing while keeping it proportional, would be to create larger side winglets that attach to the ends of the wing.

Drambeenie 05-13-2017 07:29 PM

Further disassembled the Pylons.

https://i.imgur.com/u9Vglxi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/g8hs7GS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YIj2X6C.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zjUqIBe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3TuQqPn.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/90WW5VO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/XP0bFz7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/scTwvjU.jpg

derekbrz24 05-13-2017 10:31 PM

Looking forward to see what you come up with. Sub'd :thumbup:

Andrew025 05-13-2017 10:39 PM

I'm liking the x2 height.



Everytime I see the word pylon in here though...

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...al_pylons3.jpg

spike021 05-14-2017 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drambeenie (Post 2909649)
Here's what 2x height (roughly) looks like. Thoughts?

http://i.imgur.com/jlOj1NX.png

For this black one I think the pylons end up looking way too thick compared to the spoiler itself. Kind of screws up the balance piece to piece, appearance-wise.

Drambeenie 05-14-2017 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spike021 (Post 2910037)
For this black one I think the pylons end up looking way too thick compared to the spoiler itself. Kind of screws up the balance piece to piece, appearance-wise.

This is great feedback. This mockup uses the straight sketch design. Perhaps the curved or vertical design would suit better given their thinner profile.


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