1st G-force test of my 2017 BRZ.
 

I drove out to the farther away beaches and lighthouse on this cold gray day with my girlfriend. As I was driving back, about to get onto the northern pointing parkways when I decided to test the grip and control of the car.

I took this turn at, when I looked down at the speedometer, 46 mph. Obviously stock with the performance package as well, for what it is worth here. I went around the needle on the inside circle.

I kept the rpm's quite low, at about 3400, only gasssing it to to 3900 out of the turn and then shifting to past 55 mph. It did this turn steady and smooth, minor amount of tire screech (just a tiny amount noticed). Traction control never came on, and when I turned right out of the turn quickly after a full 360, the car did not do what all other cars I have driven do, it did not snap back and forth. No motion, just redirected itself to where I went, no dramatics, no roll, no nothing.

this car is sick!

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i wish the few roundabouts that large here in texas were so well painted and defined.

to contribute, this is (best picture I could find, google-fu is weak it is) intersection of us75 & sam rayburn tollway, cloverleaf with 4 different turns. two have about the same radius but differing yaw pitch (if that is right term). the NW corner the pavement slopes from hi to low inside to outside (off axis), and SE corner hi to low outside to inside (best grip)

Im In Nc Theirs Nothing But Farms and Deer jumping out in front of you :sigh: wish I had roads Like yours

Don't have anything quite like that near me but I'm really enjoying the much decreased body roll even with the addition of a bumpier ride.

I've been on some somewhat long circular on-ramps at 40-45mph according to the curve speed limit signs and they're so much more fun than when I used to drive my parents' Sienna minivan or Camry :lol:.

Jones Beach! Been there a few times. Most times we went a little farther out to Robert Moses as it was usually less crowded.

Hey but at least you are a couple hours drive from 192/dragons tail.

It is a big gift living next to them. I live in a town just before the bridge to get to the beaches. They are really awesome and huge.

imagine getting stickier summer tires and a spot-on alignment (if you haven't already). you'll probably love it even more.

That thing is gigantic! Try this one out. This is the exit from where my trailer/cottage is located. It is also the first place that many people get to have a ride in my car.
The screams of terror as we leave the park are entertaining.

That looks nice. They are good when the salt is away and the sand and rubble is cleared clean from the winter.

I think this is the Meadowbrook one in photo. The Wantagh one i zip around might be smaller grounds. I think it is by a lot. It was a lot of force on the seat, lots.

Edit:Nope that's the one. Looks smaller up close. Hm. Odd. It is a lot of fun.

Sadest thing is ive never been :sigh:

Me neither.... I grew up in NC, but was gone before I really got into driving.

With better tires you can push a bit over 60 on that before breaking loose and at about 70 it's a full drift. Gotta do it late on a Tuesday night though :D The one at Fire Island is smaller so the speed is lower but it's also a whole big ball o' fun :thumbsup:

I would have to learn how to drift first. Sounds a bit dangerous for a snazy car. I imagine with better tires it would hit 55+. That is a lot of centrifugal force. It has 7.5" wheels. I wonder if 225's make more sense or the 215's. 215's have better fuel economy and seem to be fine enough. If it was an 8" wheel, 225 would be perfect for this purpose.

It's a good place to learn how to do that. Just be careful because the SP Police have pretty much all of the same powers of a Trooper and they don't like when we play in their front yard.

I'm running stock size Conti EC DWS on stock wheels but it was really warm (over 80*) when I did it so the pavement was sticky and the tires were hot from the highway run out there. That's usually enough to add a few mph by itself but I have a bit of experience with that circle from taking cars out there to "test" them for over 30 years. The first time I did it was the summer of '84 in my old 200SX before tweaking it, then again the next summer after it was worked. With that car I was able to get pretty much the same results after the work was done and I had a bunch of track time.

I feel sad for anyone running dws except during winter. They are not made with dry grip
in mind. While I've only had them on the outback Id bet money they diminish handling even over the stock primacy. Get a set of mps and I bet ya can do 8-10mph faster around that roundabout without your tires giving up.

DWS06 are amazing for an all season. Not sure why you think they're worse than the primacies that's pretty blasphemous.

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Experience tells you this or are you assuming that a tire that has good cold weather properties can't be good on warm, dry pavement? I can tell you that the difference between these tires and the lrr crap that comes on the car is huge. The disparity between these and a dedicated sport/summer tire is smaller.

I feel bad for anybody running them IN winter!
They are not a snow tire and calling any tire "All Season" is bullshit.


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Falken all season performance did well on my mini cooper in the snow. best so far in 11 years with that car. SOme are not that bad, not many though.

I will have to save up a LOT of money this winter for PP fitting rims + true winter performance tires. I don't want steel. I go as fast in winter 98% of the time as I do in summer. I wonder if I should mount and dismount the tires for two seasons. People are edgy about that. I do want to keep that lateral grip and cornering in the winter next year.

If you drive this car in the winter the same as the summer you will end up looking for a new one. No winter performance tire made will save you if you swing that ass out too fast or too far on a snowy road or icy road. Not saying you can't have fun but you will need to reign things in quite a bit. It ain't no Mini.

Thanks Tcoat. That is a good thought.

Did you find the G spot?

Oh sorry you meant G force...:D




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I know exactly where that is! Theres a roundabout just north of the new Cowboys facility inf Frisco that I love going around.

that is just not true. There are some pretty awesome driving roads in the country. Some amazing scenery and nice twists and turns, and then whoops! a tiny town whose main street might be half a mile long and the speed limit goes down, and then back to middle of nowheresville. Fun stuff.

The dragon is full of asshats these days unless you go past midnight.

yup and past midnight theirs always police on every hidden bend

Guess I need to come out to Harnett county Because every road here is flat,half of them are rocks/dirt roads and theirs a cop behind every bush (if a bush has lights on top dont trust it :lol: ) but yeah their are some nice roads in nc their all just 3-5 hours from me lol

I tested this same thing in a smaller roundabout, at about the same speed haha. Lost traction as soon as I started going around and started sliding. It did snap back and forth when I corrected it, but I'm still amazed at this cars handling ability!


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Have to keep it in a high gear when you do. The torque is what makes the tires go out of control. Higher the gear the better and just hold it.

This thread reminds me why rear/right tire gets bald earlier:lol:

You are a bit out of date with this thinking. All season tires have taken a big leap forward in the last few years. The current DWS is an amazingly versatile tire. The predecessor was almost as good.

Actually, the DWS is quite competent in winter, just not on a BRZ. It is entirely feasible to run the DWS as an all weather tire all year. Nokian WR also but they are more oriented to winter capability then summer. Again, I would not put them on a BRZ.

The BRZ is comically incompetent in winter, although I will give it full marks for controllable slides with stability and traction control off. You are not likely to hit any guard rails assuming you know how to hang the tail out in the dry. With full winter tires on of course or you'll get nowhere.

You are out of date about the capabilities of all season tires. Since 2013 at least high performance all season tires are just that, and they work in cold weather also.

The BRZ just isn't very good in snow or on ice but it corners just fine on snow or ice. You just cannot get any power down. It's not the tires, it's the suspension geometry and the Torsen.

Gosh 55mph. And you survived to tell the tale.

And post.

With aerial pictures too.

Wow

If you left the stability control on it isn't possible to snap the car out into a drift. There is supposed to be a new software version of VSC which does allow some oversteer angle before it intervenes. How was that? The old VSC just cuts the throttle and brakes a wheel before you get to any angle at all.

The difference between all season tires and a winter tire are night and day!

There's no one compound that will work well in all weather conditions, yet.

All seasons are a "you can get by with them" in winter tire.

And yet again here you go with the bad advice.
There is not an all season tire made that will compete with a proper winter tire. or will work well at any temperature below zero. Sure they are indeed better than they used to be but they are still way below dedicated winter tires (especially with ice).

The FRS is a tank in the snow or ice with proper winter tires. I put 1,000 kilometers a week on my FRS through the worst winter can throw at me and have not had a single incident. Not one. Traction control will save your ass in slippery conditions. Knowing how to hang the tail out in the dry will not help if you are sliding in the ice or snow no matter what you think your skills are.

People PLEASE do not listen to this joker! He will get you killed.

You are mistaken. Tire engineering has moved on a long way since you formed your opinions. Indeed, even four years ago I would have argued as you do today. But you are now just wrong.

This chassis is pathetically incompetent in winter. The fact that you think otherwise confirms you do not know how to drive, in winter or summer. Everybody who knows anything about driving knows that this chassis is incompetent even in the wet, let alone actual snow. Relying on traction or stability control to "save your ass" as you so amusingly put it, reveals that you do not know enough about car control to be expressing such opinions.

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As for advocating killing yourself, well, we each have the ultimate responsibility to know our own limits. I know from your posts that I'm a better driver than you'll ever be. But, keep those sandbags in your trunk and do NOT disable your stability control,it might be dangerous ... for you.