BRZ Brembos able to be purchased separate?
 

Hi, I'm looking into getting and 860 Special Edition because I want the goodies out of the Limited BRZ but with Toyota being my favorite brand I want the Toyota badge up front. My only concern is missing out on the Brembos that come with the performance package, is there a way to get these separate. I know I can piece together a BBK but I'd prefer to have the OEM engineering that made them for the car specifically.

Check with a Subaru dealer. Be prepared for a shock when they tell you the price though!

You might as well spend a little extra and just get an Essex AP racing sprint kit...not as 'cool' as red caliper brembos (AP calipers are way cooler to me!), but better in that it drops unsprung weight by 10lbs a corner while providing more benefits in keeping a stock size rotor diameter but much wider 2-piece rotor with proper internal vanes for better thermal dissipation.

https://www.essexparts.com/essex-des...0299brzfrsgt86

The reason I want the oem brembos is because of the price at least in the performance package. While the aftermarket has better option I do not need race brakes. I guess I'm just looking for something that looks better than the stock 86 brakes and will preform a little better. The car will be seeing a lot of canyon time.

Getting them outside of original purchase has been quoted as obscenely expensive. Check with your local subaru parts department.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109786

Pads and fluid on the stock calipers should more than cover canyon driving and even occasional HPDE. Doesn't have the bling factor of the PP Brembos, but with how much they cost from Subaru (It's a lot!), you may as well get an AP Racing kit which will be better performing, have better cooling, and have better pad choice, all while still fulfilling the baller look.

AP Racing Sprint kit is one of the very few kits that DROP unsprung weight (and not an insignificant amount either), the Brembos ADD some unsprung weight over standard stock brakes. Unsprung weight will effect how the suspension reacts to cornering and the ride quality. The car will be more planted and stable through a corner or under hard braking as a result. Just changing unsprung weight by 5lbs via wheel & tire choice is a difference you can really feel, the AP Racing Sprint kit is an automatic 10lb per corner drop while significantly upgrading the brake system capability. A combined 15lb total drop is HUGE in how the car responds and reacts, and is also VERY beneficial for a daily driver. Rough roads will be smoother, the car won't be as upset by dips and bumps. Why just only get better brakes (Brembo) when you can also improve the cars handling and ride quality at the same time? Smart engineering and application in building a lightweight vehicle for performance or racing is to let a system perform as many functions as possible.

I realize the price is good if you can buy a car with the brembo option, but trying to get them as an add on is a $2k proposition. Just a little more money would get you one of the best brake systems designed for and rigourosly tested on the car which also has additional benefits you just can't get from the Brembo's. They are more optimized for the car than the Brembo's are. You won't be missing out not getting the Brembo's...but if you get the Brembo's you would be missing out on handling and ride benefits you could have had with an AP Racing Sprint setup in addition to an upgraded brake system. If the handling and ride improvements don't matter to you, then the Brembo's do make the most sense... but only if you buy the car with them installed as part of a package.

Thanks for all the input, the AP kit seems like the way to go because I do prefer function over form. Do they offer a rear kit as well or only the front?

I would go Stoptech. Probably the most street-oriented kit, especially if you experience winter/salt.

It has already been said, but unless your primary reason for buying is the "bling", just get better pads and fluid on the stock calipers/rotors. It'll perform just as good, or better, than the PP brembos and cost you WAY less.

Also to note: Are you positive 860SE wheels clear OEM BRZ Brembos?

And I completely disagree about stock brakes holding up to HPDE usage. If you're using your oem non-pp brakes at an HPDE, it won't take long to get brake fade. FWIW, that experience scared me enough that I'm replacing pads and fluid on my brembos before hitting the track.

A couple of other options that could address your request.

If you're looking for just a bit more bling and improved heat capacity, Stoptech's Sport Brake Upgrade kit, includes rotors, pads, stainless lines and pads for about $650 (available from many vendors.) Uses the stock Caliper which if you like you can paint with a G2 caliper paint kit that will last with street use for many years. http://www.g2usa.com/category/G2-Bra...per-Paint.html


Factory link
http://www.stoptech.com/media-center...013-subaru-brz

Vendor
Pick one, there are tons
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Stopte...520B1D4DB8564A

http://www.shopbtr.com/assets/images/st97744016r.jpg

If you really want/need a BBK...RR Racing offers Front & Rear BBKs in many configurations using Wilwood components. Different colors are available either Anodized or custom painted. Their front Sport kit is $795 and the rears (optional) are $959. More aggressive staged competition kits are also available. They generally look something like this:



Available on RR Racing's website and from a few other board vendors
http://www.rr-racing.com/category-s/130.htm

Their ft86club thread is here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90379

http://blog.rr-racing.com/news/wp-co...BK004-abrr.jpg

So yeah, pricing is MUCH better than either the Subaru Brembo OEM stuff, Essex's Sprint kit (using AP racing component's) or Stillen's kit (that uses even nicer AP racing radi-cal components.) **Many of these kits are meant for different purposes so this short summary is not intended to be an apples to apples comparison.

A fairly large number of board members run their kits tend to be satisfied with RR's stuff from what I've read. Also RR Racing doesn't underhandedly trash talk other vendors like we've seen all too often on the board which is appealing to me.

In any case there are a couple more nicely priced options. Also companies like Brembo & Alcon offer what are reported to be excellent BBKs for this car directly, but tend to be on the higher end.


Brembo GT
http://www.brz-parts.com/1p1-8002a1.html#
http://www.jdl-brakes.com/media/cata...3.48900232.jpg


Alcon
http://www.jdl-brakes.com/alcon-adv-...ubaru-brz.html
http://www.jdl-brakes.com/media/cata...it-front-2.jpg

A lot of people are of the wrong impression regarding the cost of the PP Brembos when they see the PP only costs an extra ~$1200 over the BRZ limited model. A lot of that cost is subsidised by the savings the factory gets from your standard equipment. When those are gone, suddenly your $1200 upgrade now looks more like $4000.

Exactly! And it is no different than buying any other parts separately really.
Bet be pushing $150K to build the car out of dealer parts counter parts.

I will be replacing the wheels and tires before I do anything braking wise just trying to get as much info as possible.

You'll get fade with the PP brembos on stock pads/fluid too... if you plan to spend any time on a track, you need proper track pads/fluid, even with a good BBK.

Which is why I bought pads and fluid :)

Do you have a citation for that? I don't know about the PP brembos but the ats brembos end up 1lb lighter with one piece rotors and 5lbs lighter with two piece (girodisc) rotors. I would expect the PPs to be similar.

10lbs is definitely better but that is still a ways from adding wieght.

I'm also in the same boat, trying to find slight upgrade without going BBK. Also considering etc's ATS Brembo upgrade: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104730

Mr. Moto gave some nice insight for this setup.

No real proof, just theorizing off history of Brembo aftermarket designs (All heavier than stock) and the PP brake dimensions. If Brembo really opened up the inside vane area of the rotor more then they could possibly be lighter than stock. The rotors are one piece and physically larger in both diameter and thickness than stock, Brembo calipers aren't the lightest things ever, and the performance package adds some 20+lbs to the car... some of that has to be from the upgraded brake system. I'm willing to bet the PP Brembo's are heavier than stock...I don't think it's by much though.

It's the same brake setup as available on the Japanese BRZ tS model...someone has to know the weights of the components.

I've never put hands on one of these setups, but based on what I've read, the front PP disc is the same one-piece 326x30mm disc from the STI. That disc weighs approximately 21.8 lbs. The OEM Brembo's from the STI weigh roughly 8.2 lbs. Conversely, the components in our Essex/AP Racing Sprint Kit weigh about half as much as those.

With the PP brake package, the lighter calipers are offset by the larger, heavier disc:

OEM one-piece STI 326x30mm disc= 21.8 lbs.
OEM one-piece base 292x24mm disc= 17 lbs.
Essex/AP Sprint two-piece 299x32 disc= 12.2 lbs.

OEM STI Brembo= 8.2 lbs.
OEM base slider caliper= 11.6 lbs.
Essex/AP Racing CP8350= 4.8 lbs.

In the 4-5 years our kit has been on the market, we've only ever had a couple of people ever fade them. Those were big-power forced induction cars under brutal conditions. There are tons of 300 whp 86's beating the snot out of them on tracks all over the world. For 95% of 86 owners, our Sprint Kit provides everything they'll ever need from a brake system, and can still be stuffed under smaller, less expensive, lightweight wheels (with cheaper, smaller race tires on them). Why throw a giant anchor of a disc on if you don't need it? That would be no different than installing 19" chrome wheels.

In this case, our kit solves all problems at half the unsprung weight, while providing a laundry list of benefits: Heat reduction in the disc, caliper, pad, fluid, surrounding components, almost unlimited 20mm thick pad choice at low prices, longer-lasting pads and discs...the list goes on. We have many customers who have run for several years without replacing their discs. Regardless of how hard they've been beaten, we've only rebuilt a couple pairs of the calipers from these kits over the years.

So with our kit you get all the brake you'll ever need, with lower long-term running costs, and smaller, less expensive, lighter wheels and tires. They don't have quite the bling factor, but certainly still look the business. Anyone 'in the know' will surely recognize them for what they are. Would you rather get props from hard parkers or hard lappers? :)