Anyone Else Considering an Automatic FR-S?
 

After watching the press conference, the Scion VP said that there would be paddle shifters on the steering wheel (I'm assuming like the Z). I'd love to have stick, but I might get the FR-S as a daily driver and the paddle shifters would add some excitement. Who else is with me?

3 pedals for me.

Ill stick with a 3 pedal 6 speed.

My Maz is a 6 speed flappy paddle gearbox and I love the sequential transmission, but nothing beats a full manual 6 speed.

Unless its a rally car that can shift 8000 times faster than a human, I'm gonna go stick.

Nope, manual for me too

I guess I'll be Scion's only sale :bonk:. There is too much traffic in my commute.

All I ever had throughout my life we manual cars. Thus this one will be too. I deal with traffic as well, it's just so subconscious anymore I don't notice I'm driving stick. So it doesn't bother me at all.

Even though we might be the majority (preferring the 6mt model) on forums, automatics will dominate overall sales for sure.

Such a popular excuse to give up and be lazy: ""waaa, my commute has traffic like the rest of the world, WWWAAAHHH!!"

I've always driven manual trans cars, so that "traffic" excuse simply fails miserably. Unless you're a disabled war vet, you likely have no real excuse to intentionally disconnect yourself from the driving experience. A sports car simply must have a manual transmission. Toyota is only offering an auto to scoop up as many sales as possible, certainly not for the purity of the experience.

unless its a twin clutch or a single clutch with a sequential gearbox I'll take a 6 speed short gear ratio manual tranny.

The classic 6 speed manual for me.

Manual for me as well.

But I welcome our automatic paddle shifter brethren. The more people to buy this car and make it successful the more likely Toyota won't back out of the sports market again.

This. 6 MT for me as well. I drive in traffic as well with my manual. No issues.

I enjoying throwing my own gears

This.

...Though I don't mind either way. I would prefer the 6MT, but if all they came out with was the 6AT w/ paddle shifters, it wouldn't bother me. I have an auto supra, which, by todays mean has a pretty prehistoric auto (4 speed vs. 6/7speed) but it's still an amazing car to trash, and even shifting the auto manually can still give you more than enough control over the gears.

idk really. if i get this car, itll be an automatic. idk, i haaate driving stick. idk why. and this will pretty much be my everyday car. go to work, grab some groceries, maybe see some friends, go home, ect... i like this car bcuz i can use it as my daily commute, but it wont be whack like driving a 2007 prius or something.... but yeah, i feel a lil bit of shame buying this car in an auto, but i honestly dont care. i hate driving manual, and its gonna be my commuter, so yeah.

Hell yeah dude, buy whatever is fun for you!

As was mentioned, automatics aren't as bad as they were before when they only had 3, maybe 4 gears. With the gearing on them equal to manuals, if not better than (7 gears, anyone?), they are pretty decent.




Myself it's just a control issue. My buddy tried telling me the BMW some-model supposedly shifts better around a track in automatic than the manual model did. Meh, I still don't care. I like my manual input and control. Something about the man-machine integration and becoming one.

yeah auto trans have been really steppin up their game. like the LFA vs the porsche, the porsche dude lost and said the LFAs paddle shifters gave it a higher advantage.... and yeah some ppl have a thing for manuals. like it comes naturally to them. gives an enjoying ride. to me its the opposite. i get all pissed n stressed out lol. plus i love the way i drive in auto trans. i just floor the shit out of the gas pedal all the time lol! and busting my 180's seems like it would be harder in an MT lol

I'm thinking about auto due to health problems. But it up to the auto gear box it self if its good. I am willing to put u with pain to drive manual eventhough it cam cause great pain when I get out of the car or it I could ever drive manual normally.again.

Anyways I would get auto because I wouldn't have to worry about the pain. I rather have a consistency with semi fun driving. Then have a fun awesome session that is very few and lands me back in the hospital.

I live in a high traffic area too, but still health problems is more of a concern.

For me the deciding factor is to test drive both and choose from there.

i'm a fan of automatics, but they do consume power, get bad gas mileage, and need to be built to actually perform well. i have a built auto and high stall converter in my 300ZX Twin Turbo, but it can make lots and lots of power, and a manual at those power levels become difficult to drive... what i have is very easy to drive and holds all the power i need it to.

even a DSG isn't ideal. its more like a compromise... its not as smooth as a regular auto for daily driving and its not controllable like a manual on the track... it is however faster than a manual and gets slightly better gas mileage than a manual. its a fair compromise i think. (but it doesn't sound like it'll be an option for this car)

for this car, manual is the way to go... its main draw is handling and if you don't have a manual, it kills that purpose. an auto might even make it feel undriveable, as was the case with the WRX, which is why I went manual.

in the end you have to do what is best for you, though... perhaps the answer is to get a different car. EVO X MR might be the best compromise of all... GTI is adequate on a track, but it doesn't have any fancy track mode for the transmission like the EVO does. the sport mode works, but isn't ideal and the manual mode will still shift for you. (not the case in the EVO)

I guess I'll test both before prejudging...but I hated the auto in my celica and swapped it to mt so I'm 99% going with the stick. Time will tell I guess

Yeah, I remember how people were joking over on NewCelica.org that the automatic GT-S was slower than the manual GT.

If the auto turns out like the evoX mr paddle shifter or something relevant to speed of shift, then I think the auto would be pretty cool, other then that then I'm going with 6 Mt

Manual for me, to much to go wrong with paddels.

Not to be mean or anything, but can you elaborate on what can go wrong with Paddles? I like to know it's pretty educational to me because as far as thing is concern if paddles are as bad as the above statement, they wouldn't put them in any cars. So I like to know why Paddles is bad.

That and we don't even know what gear box is with the FR-S we know it's a 6at with paddles. so is it just like some crap econo auto with paddles ), Lexus style Sequential manual( LFA, ISF), EVO X MR style?, GTI DSG, or even Porsche PDK. Or is it something similar to 370z sequential auto with rev matching. Hmm too bad we dunno any of that, feels like everyone is judging before they have full information.

Granted Manual is manual it is the best choice for this car and what it stands for, still about half or more will be auto what if it's better? who knows. But to get back to the question why are Paddles bad?

The EVOX MR version came/comes with paddle shifting, and I believe it was car&driver did an article about how much better and faster it shifted then the manual

This car is meant to be fun to drive. For me fun to drive= manual. Unless this car comes out with some crazy dual clutch/sequential gearbox, I don't see myself picking AT over MT. I have always driven MT in my cars and it is more fun. I love the feeling of being one with my car.

ok, you need to understand the different types of transmission if you are going to talk about them...

automatic w/ torque converter - 370Z, old crappy sluggish automatics, etc. basically it can be as good as they want it to be, but bottom line is it will drain power and give you bad mpgs. built it can do great things, but that is expensive... so you usually see less than stellar examples.

automated dual clutch manual - DSG, EVO X MR, R35 GTR, Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari 458/ California, Porsche PDK. this is a manual transmission with two gear sets and two clutches. 1-3-5 and 2-4-6. when you are in one gear accelerating, the next one pre-engages to shift really fast and smooth. not as smooth as a traditional auto, not as controllable as a manual.

automated single clutch manual - Lexus LFA, older Ferrari's, Audi R8, Lamborghini, BMW SMG, SMART. manual transmission with 1 gear set and 1 clutch like a traditional manual. 1-2-3-4-5-6. basically, if you drive hard, it works great... but at low speeds, its like someone driving a manual for the first time. jerky, harsh engagement, and its also bad for the clutch.

that said, paddles aren't very intuitive to use unless you never drove a manual. i have driven all types and i couldn't even get used to a Ferrari. i was driving a Ferrari and i wanted a manual BAD. if you learned to drive on playstation, then perhaps you'd be happy using paddles like you would the L and R buttons to shift.

anyways, options seem likely to be traditional automatic w/ torque converter or automated dual clutch manual. the trend lately is towards the automated dual clutch manual because of gas mileage and its shifts are acceptably smooth for most applications. (high end luxury cars still stick to the old automatic for smoothness) regardless of what it is, it is only as good as they make it... so a test drive is in order regardless.

Thanks this explains alot! the complication of reading this makes me just wanna get a manual lol for alot one very basic reason. Auto is prolly an option that will jump the price by 1 or 2 k lol you can't seem to go wrong with a manual. And I just remembered it's going to be a manual box from the company that made the S2k manual. That's pretty much a selling point. Yeah I'll stick to manual lol But I'll give auto a chance when I test drive it

Traditional torque converter autos actually are getting better I think because they're being designed to lock under more conditions, and are getting more gears.

6MT for me. It is more fun plus if I ever decide to add a bunch of power, chances are that the Manual will handle it better than the auto.

Honestly, I'd pick manual even if I had to commute in hellifornica. I hate traffic like everybody else but shifting/clutching is second nature for me. I'd hate it if my knees ever went bad because I love to drive w/ manual gearbox..

This car probably won't be too bad with an automatic either, heck it'll probably get similar gas mileage for most people since autos tend to get a really tall OD. Which I think sucks because a manual should get both short gearing for acceleration and then the tall OD gearing for FE but I digress.

So no need to hate, slushies can hang too :lol:.

And the only Autos Subaru has in it's parts bin is the 4spd torque converter style and CVT. They don't use any of the automated manuals. The best hope in that regard is that they outsource or use a Toyota supplier. Although a CVT could technically be reprogrammed (aftermarket) to hold any 7 "gears ratios" you want, it might be a necessity to upgrade the CVT internals if you get above stock power :iono:.

He's to hoping the gearboxes in the FT-86 are solidly built variants :cheers:!

well subaru is supposedly looking to aisin to source transmissions for this car... looking at their website, there is no dual clutch option, only a single clutch automated option. they do have a 6-speed traditional auto and CVT.

6MT for me. Having an automatic would take a lot of the fun factor out of driving this car.

I dont get you guys, the car will come with a automatic stick WITH PADDLE SHIFTERS.

Paddle shifting is not automatic, i swear if u say otherwise...idk what to say..

So you get the LUXURY of having an automatic for traffic/ or if u wana text..eat..w/e u want. with paddle shifters, when you feel like owning some people on the track or on the street(dont do it!!)... lol

You can choose what gear u want to be in with a Paddle shifter...

Yes i have a Ps3, gt5 and a g27 wheel with paddle shifters + a stick shift.

I find paddle shifting fun.... maybe i drive gt-r thats why..

You're not making any sense.

The fun isn't in "picking" what gear you want.

It's in the hand-eye-foot coordination. Not only are you picking the gear but you are varying the degree of engagement with the clutch. This is something automatics can NEVER replace.

Please explain what part i dont make sense in.

I do not understand you, explain more please.

Lets stop talking about the automatic gear box and stay focused on the paddle shifter.

edit:

Im thinking like this: The car will come with an automatic gearbox with paddles. To me, this means: You have the option of using the car just like you would in any automatic and the other option is to use the paddle shifters as a sequential.

:lol:

why u so angry guy?

Relax dalli, we're talking about how the shifting is done not whether you can pick gears or not. If you don't do the actual shift work, they are considered automatic gearboxes.

ok sorry lawl

gona go get my laundry


Keep this thread going guys, I want to see more of a technical aspect of it

It's extremely simple: If a vehicle doesn't have a 3rd pedal (clutch) it should be considered an automatic transmission.

This goes for some of the newer sequential transmissions as well.

Stick in this day and age is great because it's just another way of telling people that they're not allowed to/can't drive your car unless they actually know how to handle and respect a car. If I end up getting a FR-S it'll be most definitely be stick so I can pull the same stunt.