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Alfrz 03-28-2017 02:09 AM

Body damage. I'm an idiot and hit a pole.
 
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Backing out of a spot in a parking garage I started going at an angle too soon and got a crunch, these are the results. Any guess on what it's gonna cost and how bad the damage actually is? I feel like I could get by with the fender but I dunno what to really think. It's definitely off angle, and pushed off some. Good doesn't seal correctly now, I'd prefer to not use insurance since I've got a 1k deductible, and even if I had a lower one like 250 I probably wouldn't use it unless the total cost comes out to well over 2k...Which it shouldn't....Right?

86geek 03-28-2017 02:40 AM

Ouch! New bumper=$$$$

guybo 03-28-2017 07:03 AM

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If your baby is going to work the pole, then I guess I'll make it rain.

FR-Sky 03-28-2017 07:09 AM

First, claim your insurance and see how it goes.
I am no expert but I deal with a lot of car parts, I am looking at probably $700-800 to cost you to fix it, and I couldn't tell what else you break inside the bumper and fender.

Alfrz 03-28-2017 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by FR-Sky (Post 2880578)
First, claim your insurance and see how it goes.
I am no expert but I deal with a lot of car parts, I am looking at probably $700-800 to cost you to fix it, and I couldn't tell what else you break inside the bumper and fender.


Problem is my collision is a grand, so unless this is gonna cost well over 2k I'd rather leave insurance out of it. Could the bumper really be that much? I did a short search and it looked like they were around 250-400 unpainted.

Tcoat 03-28-2017 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2880660)
Problem is my collision is a grand, so unless this is gonna cost well over 2k I'd rather leave insurance out of it. Could the bumper really be that much? I did a short search and it looked like they were around 250-400 unpainted.

For just the cover yes. What about the fender? Paint? Anything else broken?
Get some appraisals from some local body shops. All you will get here is guesses based on what people pay where they are and that doesn't help you. Here that would be an easy $3,000.

Dadhawk 03-28-2017 12:24 PM

This is not dissimilar to the accident I recently had (OP, see my Owner's Journal for details and photos, its near the end, easy to find).

Mine was not as significant as yours, and it was over $1700 to repair. I believe you've got some hidden damage you don't see unless the photos are deceiving. Look at your hood gap. It appears to have been totally closed up. That means the fender support have been moved and will need to be straightened. Mine were bent the opposite way (twisted outward at the top, inward at the bottom) and wasn't obvious until I noticed my hood gap had opened up and was different than the passenger side.

Obviously your call if you report it or not, but depending on the shop you may be well over $2,000 to repair.

(EDIT: OK didn't see the issues at the door the first time, yea I'd say that support is definitely bent.)

MG86 03-28-2017 12:59 PM

I had similar body damage to the front bumper ran me about 1600$ alon
With your fender damage I'd highly recommend calling your insurance

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Alfrz 03-28-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2880690)
This is not dissimilar to the accident I recently had (OP, see my Owner's Journal for details and photos, its near the end, easy to find).

Mine was not as significant as yours, and it was over $1700 to repair. I believe you've got some hidden damage you don't see unless the photos are deceiving. Look at your hood gap. It appears to have been totally closed up. That means the fender support have been moved and will need to be straightened. Mine were bent the opposite way (twisted outward at the top, inward at the bottom) and wasn't obvious until I noticed my hood gap had opened up and was different than the passenger side.

Obviously your call if you report it or not, but depending on the shop you may be well over $2,000 to repair.

(EDIT: OK didn't see the issues at the door the first time, yea I'd say that support is definitely bent.)



Welp. FML. I'm gonna take some pictures on my lunch and call a body shop here in Orlando and hopefully swing by after work to get a look at it. Just because I'm gonna take some pics also to see if anyone else has any more input here. Crazy that yours was 1700, the only thing i'm holding out hope for is that most of the impact stuff for bumpers is literally in the opposite direction of where i hit

Dadhawk 03-28-2017 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2880742)
Crazy that yours was 1700, the only thing i'm holding out hope for is that most of the impact stuff for bumpers is literally in the opposite direction of where i hit

Well, I probably could have gotten it done for less, but someone hit me so I went to the shop my insurance company recommended, and that had a lifetime warranty on the repairs certified by the insurance company. All that adds to the cost.

Tcoat 03-28-2017 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2880742)
Welp. FML. I'm gonna take some pictures on my lunch and call a body shop here in Orlando and hopefully swing by after work to get a look at it. Just because I'm gonna take some pics also to see if anyone else has any more input here. Crazy that yours was 1700, the only thing i'm holding out hope for is that most of the impact stuff for bumpers is literally in the opposite direction of where i hit

Again. It doesn't matter what the imputes from here. Nobody here is a professional body person working in your area. You can get quotes without going through insurance. Make sure when you do get the quotes that you make it clear to them you may be paying out of pocket though. Insurance prices and personal prices can sometimes be miles apart.

Alfrz 03-28-2017 03:45 PM

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Very reputable shop came back w this, talked for a good long while about everything, thinks there's like a 10% chance there's some damage underneath he may not be able to see, but everything looks pretty clear cut because of how I hit it. At another checking right now.

Insurance is probably getting their money regardless if I use them right? I'd only be saving 700(there's a discount not showing in the pic).
I imagine my deductible would climb at least 130 per 6 months over the next 3 years because of this.

evomike 03-28-2017 04:26 PM

its probably going to need a headlamp and have some radiator support damage once they get this apart, but its also a florida body shop so they may get it apart and say screw it and glue it back together.

Tcoat 03-28-2017 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2880883)
Very reputable shop came back w this, talked for a good long while about everything, thinks there's like a 10% chance there's some damage underneath he may not be able to see, but everything looks pretty clear cut because of how I hit it. At another checking right now.

Insurance is probably getting their money regardless if I use them right? I'd only be saving 700(there's a discount not showing in the pic).
I imagine my deductible would climb at least 130 per 6 months over the next 3 years because of this.

If you do not file a claim then insurance does not get involved and don't get a cent. That is right on the fence where it may be worth while in the long run to just pay out of pocket since it is an at fault incident.

Alfrz 03-28-2017 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by evomike (Post 2880914)
its probably going to need a headlamp and have some radiator support damage once they get this apart, but its also a florida body shop so they may get it apart and say screw it and glue it back together.

Yeah he's not sure right now if we need a new headlamp or not. That's around 300 though :/
Would there be radiator support damage though really? Again, I backed into the pole, not sure where anything is really on this car other than oil filter.

And yeah I agree it's right on the cusp. I think I have to just pay it out of pocket though. The eventual insurance decreases I'd be missing out on would likely add up too much when compared to the increase I'd be getting :(

Scrappydoo 03-28-2017 05:24 PM

Is the Polish guy OK?

Alfrz 03-28-2017 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrappydoo (Post 2880972)
Is the Polish guy OK?

Took it like a champ. He was basically made of cinder blocks, never seen anything like it...until it was too late anyway,

guybo 03-28-2017 09:56 PM

Hmmm, would a rocket bunny kit cover or replace a lot of that damage? Remember, the insurance company cuts a check and YOU get to choose how to spend it, so work with the shop- you don't have to go with OEM pieces. Rocket Bunny kit replaces the bumper cover, and wheel arches right?

Sometimes a screw up can turn into an excuse to upgrade. Kind of a lemons to lemonade type thing.

Summerwolf 03-28-2017 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2881176)
Hmmm, would a rocket bunny kit cover or replace a lot of that damage? Remember, the insurance company cuts a check and YOU get to choose how to spend it, so work with the shop- you don't have to go with OEM pieces. Rocket Bunny kit replaces the bumper cover, and wheel arches right?

Sometimes a screw up can turn into an excuse to upgrade. Kind of a lemons to lemonade type thing.

Why downgrade though?

86geek 03-28-2017 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2881176)
Hmmm, would a rocket bunny kit cover or replace a lot of that damage? Remember, the insurance company cuts a check and YOU get to choose how to spend it, so work with the shop- you don't have to go with OEM pieces. Rocket Bunny kit replaces the bumper cover, and wheel arches right?

Sometimes a screw up can turn into an excuse to upgrade. Kind of a lemons to lemonade type thing.

This is exactly what a member of the Hawaii ft86 club is doing. Difference is his claim is on comprehensive coverage because something fell off a truck in front of him & cracked his front bumper & fog light.

Alfrz 03-29-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2881176)
Hmmm, would a rocket bunny kit cover or replace a lot of that damage? Remember, the insurance company cuts a check and YOU get to choose how to spend it, so work with the shop- you don't have to go with OEM pieces. Rocket Bunny kit replaces the bumper cover, and wheel arches right?

Sometimes a screw up can turn into an excuse to upgrade. Kind of a lemons to lemonade type thing.

Sorry not familiar with a rocket bunny kit cover ? I'm not opposed to 'covering up' the damage. I won't be using insurance here, I'm just gonna pay out of pocket.

Dadhawk 03-29-2017 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2881485)
Sorry not familiar with a rocket bunny kit cover ? I'm not opposed to 'covering up' the damage. I won't be using insurance here, I'm just gonna pay out of pocket.

It's a widebody kit that basically requires you to hack the fenders anyway so it fits. It also looks bolted on, but its OK if its your thing. Definitely not mine...photo

http://carshype.com/wp-content/uploa...C5865-EDIT.jpg

Tcoat 03-29-2017 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrappydoo (Post 2880972)
Is the Polish guy OK?

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2880964)
And yeah I agree it's right on the cusp. I think I have to just pay it out of pocket though. The eventual insurance decreases I'd be missing out on would likely add up too much when compared to the increase I'd be getting :(

Perfectly reasonable thought (Not really used to that on here)
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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2881485)
Sorry not familiar with a rocket bunny kit cover ? I'm not opposed to 'covering up' the damage. I won't be using insurance here, I'm just gonna pay out of pocket.

NOT the answer. Chopping the car up to hide a dent is sort of self defeating and to do everything else required to make it look half decent would be about 10 times the repair quote.

evomike 03-29-2017 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2881176)
Hmmm, would a rocket bunny kit cover or replace a lot of that damage? Remember, the insurance company cuts a check and YOU get to choose how to spend it, so work with the shop- you don't have to go with OEM pieces. Rocket Bunny kit replaces the bumper cover, and wheel arches right?

Sometimes a screw up can turn into an excuse to upgrade. Kind of a lemons to lemonade type thing.

his estimate doesnt even cover the purchasing of the kit

Alfrz 03-29-2017 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2881554)
Perfectly reasonable thought (Not really used to that on here)

NOT the answer. Chopping the car up to hide a dent is sort of self defeating and to do everything else required to make it look half decent would be about 10 times the repair quote.

Yeah I don't think i'm too keen on the body kit I suppose. I really love the car as is(when its fixed).

And @ the insurance changes, in 2013 an old guy jumped in front of me and hit the brakes going into a toll booth when my 92 Camaro was my daily driver, not the nimblest of braking cars. Hardly tapped him, my insurance paid out about 2.5 grand though. That finally fell off last year, but according to my declaration page i was assessed a charge of anywhere from 299-400 every 6 months for the last 3 years. Currently I've been a "safe" driver for 4 years now, a year away from being considered an ACTUAL safe driver(and getting accident forgiveness) , this would reset that clock plus make me pay more...doesn't sound fun.

Tldr: I'm close to being a safe driver, I want those savings.

I just called them and gave them the go ahead. Probably the best auto body shop in Orlando from everything I've heard/been told.

Dadhawk 03-29-2017 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2881591)
Hardly tapped him, my insurance paid out about 2.5 grand though..

Its amazing what a tap will do. My accident was so minimal a speed I didn't expect to see any damage. If we had had another half foot or so of separation when we started we probably wouldn't have hit at all. We just collided in exact right spot to bend structural things on the FRS. Her Sentra didn't even have a paint blemish on it.

Alfrz 03-29-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dadhawk (Post 2881614)
Her Sentra didn't even have a paint blemish on it.

Ouch.

On a somewhat related note, I've been doing research on the blending of the paint on the other panels... Do i really need it?

Tcoat 03-29-2017 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2881620)
Ouch.

On a somewhat related note, I've been doing research on the blending of the paint on the other panels... Do i really need it?

Yes. Otherwise the new paint will stand out very stark against the old. Only 4 years but your paint is fades enough that it will be off.

evomike 03-29-2017 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2881638)
Yes. Otherwise the new paint will stand out very stark against the old. Only 4 years but your paint is fades enough that it will be off.

clearcoat doesn't really fade anymore and its more to trick the eye because there are so many variants of the colors, when the clear appears darker its because they put too many coats on more coats more noticeable.

Tcoat 03-29-2017 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by evomike (Post 2881692)
clearcoat doesn't really fade anymore and its more to trick the eye because there are so many variants of the colors, when the clear appears darker its because they put too many coats on more coats more noticeable.

The clear coat doesn't fade but the pigments under it do. Not like the old paints that is for sure (there is some UV protection in the new clear coats) but they still fade. Especially in Florida where the OP is.

Alfrz 03-30-2017 04:42 AM

Maybe should've brought this up before but he did say I could buy the parts myself if I wanted to but when I looked them up, while cheaper online, shipping is ridiculous. If I ordered them at a dealership so they still charge shipping? They haven't ordered the parts yet as far as I know because he was going to call me when he ordered and I never got a call

Tcoat 03-30-2017 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Alfrz (Post 2882033)
Maybe should've brought this up before but he did say I could buy the parts myself if I wanted to but when I looked them up, while cheaper online, shipping is ridiculous. If I ordered them at a dealership so they still charge shipping? They haven't ordered the parts yet as far as I know because he was going to call me when he ordered and I never got a call

Another alternative would be to see if a local auto wreckers has what you need. You could even luck out and get the right colour that matches very close and avoid paint.

evomike 03-30-2017 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2881807)
The clear coat doesn't fade but the pigments under it do. Not like the old paints that is for sure (there is some UV protection in the new clear coats) but they still fade. Especially in Florida where the OP is.

youd be surprised how little fade you actually see these days in cars, now with our cars it may be a bit different the clear may not fade but just blow away with the wind.

Dadhawk 03-30-2017 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by evomike (Post 2882118)
youd be surprised how little fade you actually see these days in cars, now with our cars it may be a bit different the clear may not fade but just blow away with the wind.

Great now, this is stuck in my head, somebody queue up Kansas....

I closed my eyes only for a moment, and my paint is gone..
All my paint passed before my eyes, damn Subaru

Clear in the wind,
We all lost our clear in the wind...

Same old song, just a drop of water, no paint to see
All we had crumbled to the ground, though we refuse to believe...

Clear in the wind,
We all lost our clear in the wind...

Now, it won't cling on, Subi paint don't last forever hitting earth and sky
It chips away, and all your money more paint will buy

Clear in the wind,
We all lost our clear in the wind...

Alfrz 04-19-2017 12:21 PM

End results
 
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So from what I could tell everything came out good, a few things aren't allll the way perfect(Dunno if that's normal or not) but unless pointed out to you no would notice


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