Opinions on new alignment/help with turning issue
 

Hello. I jsut got a new alignment on my 2013 Scion Fr-S. I have Brand new rear tires and soon to be new front tires. My tires are Michelin PILOT SPORT AS3+ B9CR02RX-0817 -- 225/40ZR18, and my rims are 18inch enkei rims. I was having problems before when it came to certain left hand turns at around 40 degree apprx 60mph. I was hoping this alignment would fix it but it did not. WHenever I would make a turn at those measurements my traction control comes on and almost causes me to wreck bc it locks up my car. So since I am out of ideas I was hoping someone could tell me if this is normal for this car to do that driving on an every road, and i am just expecting too much. Below is my alignment specs. Thanks guys lmk what u think of the alignment specs
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Are you slipping when turning that fast? How about turning off traction control

It doesnt really feeling like I am slipping. Its like Once i get halfway through the turn the car just cuts that shit on and like i said it can cause me to wreck bc it locks up the breaks or the tires...I would turn it off my i am scared i would crash or something lol. Im just curious as to if the car should be able to handle that. Mine is lowered 1.5inches so that should help as well

Most likely driver skill not high enough or speed too high. Try smoother inputs or slowing down.
It could also be that brand new tires need to be broken in.

This was happening before the new tires when i had ones broken in. EIther the car is not made for it, something is wrong. I am not a professional driver by no means but I race at VIR where I am at and know how to properly handle a car, respectively.

The limits are relatively low with the traction control on, it's not a porsche.
In the middle of the turn is where the most g's are likely to happen.
If you know how to properly handle a car, why do you even have traction control on? :iono:

Try sport mode or turning traction control off.
Do the same turn multiple of times with it on and off. If you "know how to properly handle a car" and do it multiple times, I don't see why it would be unsafe.

What suspension are you on? This car is known to hit bump stops deep into a turn which could unsettle it. Springs lower than 1inch or have soft rates have this problem.

Do you turn traction control off at VIR?

"40 degrees at 60mph"? This is on a track right?

Of course the traction control kicks in since you are starting to drift at that angle and speed. Reduce the angle or reduce the speed.

Have you ever changed your diff fluid? Torsen may be misbehaving.

Well now, cmurp96, since you have put larger wheels with wider tires on the car and lowered it, you have pretty much messed with the stock dynamics.

The car with its OEM suspension and wheels should not be "scary" when the nannies help out ..... yep, kind of a "whoa - what was that" ..... but not scary, when driven on average roads.

Like eluded to above, I would recommend that you either engage the nannies and learn how to work with them ....... OR, turn them off and learn how to drive the car all by yourself........;)


humfrz

Where would you make a 40 degree turn at 60mph on public roads? A highway ramp?

By no means am I a professional I simply meant I am not a 16 year old who just learned how to drive. I can drive well on a closed track that is suited for it. I will try that but before I did I wanted to get opinions. I have been told it couldbe the bump stops but idk how that works as i am not a car mechanic

No this is everyday road. This is what I was looking for if the car is able to handle this

No I called Toyota to do it about a months ago and they would not do it bc they do not "recommend it" :(

No I live in the city but we own land around our house and there is a plant nearby with a long road length that curves. I have good location for driving my beauty

Do not ever listen to that guy's automotive advice again! Ever.

Ya, at that speed and angle you will start to lose traction on most surfaces. The nannies whole purpose in life is to try to regain that traction and that is all that is happening. If you pull back the speed or reduce the angle you maintain traction to where the nannies can live with it but you are just hitting the point where they are screaming "OH HELL NO".
Just turn them off (if in a safe place) and drift away. Keep in mind that a bit of gravel or a dip in the road surface could mean you may be here asking "Is this totaled?

This ol boy would like some clarification.

Are you saying the turn is a 60 degree curve (flat) OR a 60 degree (banked) curve ..... ??


humfrz

alluded

You elude the police.
Allude means to suggest.

:cheers:

You alluded he eluded looting the lute?

40 degrees is pretty cold to be expecting that kind of traction from a summer compound.

Yep, ya got me there ..... :sigh:


humfrz

:slap: ..... he said 40 degrees ....... NOT 60 degrees ...... you dumb shit!


humfrz

Now I'm all freaking confused ...... :(

......and THEN @Ultramaroon pipes up with the temperature thing ..... and @Tcoat makes fun of him ...... and @strat61caster just sits there ...... waiting for ME to make another mistake.

OK, so much for me trying to back down on ma meds ...... :confused0068:


humfrz

Don't be so hard on yourself. We're all fucked up in one way or another. You've just had more time to enjoy it.

I didn't make fun of Ultra. His use of the alternative meaning of the word "degrees" was brilliant! The applause was well deserved.

Yeah! What he said. Duh.

Besides, isn't it Strat's turn? Nobody likes a pedant.

You have no camber and take it to the track? I would imagine you understeer like mad and the outside edge takes a crazy beating.

Also, new tires take a bit to burn the grease off. Plus, the car doesnt like the different aged tires front and rear. I ran tires like that for a while and had terrible time with the TC til I replaced all 4 then it went away. Not sure if its due to varying size or the levels of grip

I'm also gonna go with there is likely an input somewhere (helping) cause this.

Pro tip: the 96 in his user name probably stands for 1996, which means he's a young buck full of hubris and ready to make bad decisions.

I also doubt that the track experience is real, if it was, I'm sure he'd have a far better idea of what's going on mid-turn. Doubly hard to believe he tracks given that alignment, didn't realize understeery alignments were so good for track days.

Ok, OP. Mixed in with our usual ribbing are some valuable observations. Let us know which parts make sense and which, if any, leave you scratching your head. :thumbsup:

Maybe the OP went and turned off all the nannies and took that 40 degree (C or F ...??) at 60 mph and is now doing laundry ..... :iono:


humfrz

This one is sort of cool

http://www.wrenchheadjewelry.com/upl...080109.jpg?392

Oh wait...

104F?

Its a flat 40 degree turn at 60mph

How much camber should I have?
The 96 refers to the year I graduated from VT. No advice, no need to comment

For the mos part it seems the car i just not made for this, the only other suggestion was to mess with the camber which idk what to put it at and front or back? Not very specific. I also had this problem before new tires so its not that

I have also said i am not where near a professional. is it not okay for me and some friends to do daily track driving? No reason for me to lie. WHatis wrong with my alignment, it is in specs?

The second post here is a starting point based on peoples set-ups

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103609

Alignment is acceptable, IMO. My gut says you're just overdriving the car.

1. What car have you driven that does what the frs doesn't do?

2. When the VSC kicks in, which end is letting go?

3. What's the outside temperature when you are driving

4. What's your tire pressure. If they're not even, tweak them and try again.

They wouldn't do it? Give Subaru a call then. Surprised to see a shop refuse a simple job like that.

I changed mine at about 25,000 km. Before changing, the LSD did not engage smoothly at all, it was like an on-off switch. Afterwards it was much more progressive, with a lot less tire squeal.

I'm up to around 45,000 km on the car now, and the LSD still works great, so I think the issue was more down to diff gears wearing in than short fluid life.

I agreed with you...it is always better to keep your oil/fluid fresh....
My dealership actually told me to flush my brake fluid when my car only has 19000 miles...There is no way to refuse a simple job where they can make big money....you know...dealership..