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KAB-FRS 07-15-2012 12:37 AM

Driver's side window seal/door seal
 
I just took mine to the dealer due to the fact that every time my driver's side window goes up it folds the seal up a little and it is starting to look out of shape now.

They said they will replace it as soon as they get it but there is no ETA on the part since they don't stock any parts for the cars yet.

I want to know if I'm the only one with this issue right now.

Folding seal issue list:

1.KAB-FRS
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|-Goku-| 07-15-2012 12:43 AM

got any pictures of it?

KAB-FRS 07-15-2012 12:48 AM

i will take some tomorrow during the day

Gregory Gawaran 07-15-2012 04:09 AM

Your not the only one, I noticed this today while opening the door at work.

ShoGun 07-15-2012 10:45 AM

Think this could be causing the wind noise at 65+ mph?

sirhc 07-15-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ShoGun (Post 316355)
Think this could be causing the wind noise at 65+ mph?

yes mine does it too. however interestingly enough it stopped after I got the windows tinted

Bonburner 07-15-2012 08:19 PM

I'd like to see pictures myself - I don't think anything looks out of shape as is O.o

KAB-FRS 07-15-2012 10:24 PM

I had the car on the hwy today and at over 80mph i get wind noise

NRGBalanced 07-16-2012 01:09 AM

I've also noticed this. No abnormal wind noise.

Superhatch 07-23-2012 04:44 PM

This is also happening to me. No abnormal wind noise. Oddly between the chirping, tail light condensation and the buzzing shift knob, this bothers me the most.

|-Goku-| 07-23-2012 09:46 PM

Any pictures yet?

BMWDavid 07-23-2012 10:17 PM

I don't have this problem but wondered if applying 303 or some type of protectant would provide a bit of lubricating effect to allow glass to slide freely on the seal surface.

Cessblood 07-26-2012 11:41 AM

My driver side window made some noise twice this week.

CircuitJerk 07-28-2012 01:38 AM

Same here. It's about a 3" area that grabs.
I don't think replacing the seal will do much. I think it goes much deeper than that. I think they will have to create a seal with a modified shape to compensate for improper design.
I took a quick video, you can barely see the area where it grabs.

http://vimeo.com/46537110

ssmtsx 08-09-2012 06:06 PM

I just noticed that mine is doing the same thing. I will be bringing it in as soon as I get a chance.

Reflex 08-10-2012 08:16 AM

I noticed the same thing too, but I applied some Gummi Pfledge Stift and it seemed to help the problem. Try lubricating it, maybe the rubber is getting a little dry

FT-86GOD 08-10-2012 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CircuitJerk (Post 343667)
Same here. It's about a 3" area that grabs.
I don't think replacing the seal will do much. I think it goes much deeper than that. I think they will have to create a seal with a modified shape to compensate for improper design.
I took a quick video, you can barely see the area where it grabs.

http://vimeo.com/46537110


NOT GOOD.... Something needs to be done about that ASAP....

CircuitJerk 08-10-2012 07:21 PM

Personally, I'd like to disable the feature altogether. It's not good for OCD after you wash your car. I CANNOT leave the little wet spot on the window every time it rolls down and up. It makes me not want to get in the car since I can't wipe the window without opening the door again. I spent an entire afternoon in my garage because of that. I keed, I keed!
Ohh first word problems...

KAB-FRS 08-11-2012 12:44 AM

I'm getting more wind noise as the days go by, sucks and still waiting for the new rubber from the dealer.

|-Goku-| 08-11-2012 02:28 AM

can we get a picture of what it looks like when it is rolled up? I can't tell from the video

dyim 08-11-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CircuitJerk (Post 372200)
Personally, I'd like to disable the feature altogether. It's not good for OCD after you wash your car. I CANNOT leave the little wet spot on the window every time it rolls down and up. It makes me not want to get in the car since I can't wipe the window without opening the door again. I spent an entire afternoon in my garage because of that. I keed, I keed!
Ohh first word problems...

Crawl in from the trunk.;)

cto424 08-11-2012 03:04 PM

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w...811_133722.jpg

Not the best pic, but you can see the curved imprint of where my window is rolling or moving the seal.

My window seal isn't deformed yet, but I just noticed this problem today, so this might have just started happening on my car.

This is only on the drivers side, so far.

OldSkool86 08-16-2012 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CircuitJerk (Post 372200)
Personally, I'd like to disable the feature altogether. It's not good for OCD after you wash your car. I CANNOT leave the little wet spot on the window every time it rolls down and up. It makes me not want to get in the car since I can't wipe the window without opening the door again. I spent an entire afternoon in my garage because of that. I keed, I keed!
Ohh first word problems...

This shit would drive me crazy!

*KID* 08-17-2012 11:45 AM

mine does this too, it moves the weather stripping upward. I have OCD too, and I cant seem to leave my driveway till I get that straighten up everytime the window shuts close. I guess my fix will have to be to disable the window from going up n down everytime I open the door

Moshpit37 08-23-2012 03:07 AM

Add me to the list of people with this issue. Definitely annoying. I'm going to talk to my dealership tomorrow and make sure this gets up the chain to Toyota.

Moshpit37 08-23-2012 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CircuitJerk (Post 372200)
Personally, I'd like to disable the feature altogether. It's not good for OCD after you wash your car. I CANNOT leave the little wet spot on the window every time it rolls down and up. It makes me not want to get in the car since I can't wipe the window without opening the door again. I spent an entire afternoon in my garage because of that. I keed, I keed!
Ohh first word problems...

The reason for this feature is because the glass goes up under the frame of the window in the car, so disabling it would mean you couldn't open or close the door without breaking the window. (But you know this.)

As far as the window seal problem, I've felt mine and it feels like the seal itself has become loosened in the area of the issue. Not sure if it is a result or the cause, but if you feel the full length of the window seal, for the most part it feels like the center of it is either glued or perhaps stuck into a groove in the metal, and in the problem area it isn't anymore. Anybody else notice this, or maybe you could go check yours and report back here?

siXXtoes 08-23-2012 11:23 AM

My seal has been hit or miss when the window goes up. I have noticed after i wash my car i have condensation between the inside of the windy and the seal. Anyone else have the issue?

slawdio 08-23-2012 11:44 AM

I told them about this when I did my 3k oil change and had them order the taillight. they just shrugged it off and said that because I "use the driver side door more than the passenger door, its going to happen." and would replace it when it became an issue.

slawdio 08-23-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Moshpit37 (Post 397220)
The reason for this feature is because the glass goes up under the frame of the window in the car, so disabling it would mean you couldn't open or close the door without breaking the window. (But you know this.)

As far as the window seal problem, I've felt mine and it feels like the seal itself has become loosened in the area of the issue. Not sure if it is a result or the cause, but if you feel the full length of the window seal, for the most part it feels like the center of it is either glued or perhaps stuck into a groove in the metal, and in the problem area it isn't anymore. Anybody else notice this, or maybe you could go check yours and report back here?

I'm not sure it actually goes Up-and-into the frame. If it does, how will you open the door if the battery dies?

TennisHsu 08-23-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by siXXtoes (Post 397650)
My seal has been hit or miss when the window goes up. I have noticed after i wash my car i have condensation between the inside of the windy and the seal. Anyone else have the issue?

The seal gasket acts as a double seal (one on the inside of the glass, and one on the outside), condensation in between means moisture has made it past the outer layer. As long as the condensation stops at the inner seal, your car is still protected.

Bonburner 08-23-2012 03:00 PM

Did a hand wash w/ lather and I noticed some of the lather seeped between the window and the rubber 'seal'

CircuitJerk 08-23-2012 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshpit37 (Post 397220)
The reason for this feature is because the glass goes up under the frame of the window in the car, so disabling it would mean you couldn't open or close the door without breaking the window. (But you know this.)

As far as the window seal problem, I've felt mine and it feels like the seal itself has become loosened in the area of the issue. Not sure if it is a result or the cause, but if you feel the full length of the window seal, for the most part it feels like the center of it is either glued or perhaps stuck into a groove in the metal, and in the problem area it isn't anymore. Anybody else notice this, or maybe you could go check yours and report back here?

Umm, I think you might be mistaken on that. That feature is there to avoid the cabin pressure associated with that type of enclosure and closing the door. Additionally it also reduces stress to the window coming into contact with the rubber gasket when being closed/slammed.
The window does not go into anything. It simply rests on top of the rubber gasket with a little pressure to ensure a proper seal.

Moshpit37 08-24-2012 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CircuitJerk (Post 398900)
Umm, I think you might be mistaken on that. That feature is there to avoid the cabin pressure associated with that type of enclosure and closing the door. Additionally it also reduces stress to the window coming into contact with the rubber gasket when being closed/slammed.
The window does not go into anything. It simply rests on top of the rubber gasket with a little pressure to ensure a proper seal.

Actually I'm pretty sure it does, there is at least the hard plastic lip that it goes into for sure. But you are right about the pressure reduction aspect of it as well. The glass definitely goes up inside the black plastic a bit when it closes. I just went to double-check my car and you can see the top of the glass, barely. It might allow you to open the door, but it will be VERY close, if it doesn't actually scrape the plastic in the process. I sure as hell wouldn't want to close the door with the window all the way up, that's for sure. Not trying to start an argument and I apologize if my previous posts may have come across a little harsh.

CircuitJerk 08-24-2012 08:04 PM

No worries Mosh, I'll have to take a closer look. Just been busy and the car's been garaged since I made that last post.

CircuitJerk 08-24-2012 10:26 PM

I stand corrected. Boy do I feel like a knucklehead. Sorry for the misinformation. SMH

CircuitJerk 08-25-2012 12:32 AM

I should say thanks too! Lol

jakev9041 08-29-2012 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Moshpit37 (Post 397220)
The reason for this feature is because the glass goes up under the frame of the window in the car, so disabling it would mean you couldn't open or close the door without breaking the window. (But you know this.)

As far as the window seal problem, I've felt mine and it feels like the seal itself has become loosened in the area of the issue. Not sure if it is a result or the cause, but if you feel the full length of the window seal, for the most part it feels like the center of it is either glued or perhaps stuck into a groove in the metal, and in the problem area it isn't anymore. Anybody else notice this, or maybe you could go check yours and report back here?


The reason that this feature is on the car is actually weight savings and passenger comfort. First, cars are so air tight now that you need a system for letting air pressure equalize instantly when closing doors, this is done in most cars with a flapping vent called different things by different folks but typically an air extractor, equalizer etc. (pictured). In many sports cars where weight and/or space/packaging issues are a concern this window partial open system is used instead. I am having the same problem with my BRZ and I expect it to be corrected by changing the angle of the window just slightly which requires taking apart the door, so I will have the dealer do it.

Also, as a note: You could open and close the door with the window fully up, I have done it with the battery disconnected, it is harder to open and it kills your ears due to the pressure, but it will not break anything.

Moshpit37 09-01-2012 07:29 PM

I just took my FR-S in to the local dealership to have a rock chip in the windshield repaired, and I mentioned this issue to them as well, and they are going to replace the seal entirely. Didn't sound like it would be too long of a wait, they said the part should be in in less than a week. They are going to let Toyota HQ know about it as well.

wbradley 09-01-2012 08:31 PM

I Have the same thing, only on driver side. Doesn't bother me as long as there are no leaks and the seal doesn't break down. I will report it to the dealer when they change the oil just to be safe.

fistpoint 09-02-2012 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moshpit37 (Post 397220)
The reason for this feature is because the glass goes up under the frame of the window in the car, so disabling it would mean you couldn't open or close the door without breaking the window. (But you know this.)

What happens when you have a completely dead battery? Like left at the airport for 3 weeks with the interior light on DEAD.
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nm, someone answered above.


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