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SCQTT 03-15-2017 10:05 PM

The pain of bolt-on life
 
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guybo 03-15-2017 10:08 PM

So let's start a discussion. Maybe a philosophical discussion...


When is it a build?

Bonus Q: At what point can you put that annoying "Built not bought" sticker on it?

Tcoat 03-15-2017 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2873071)
So let's start a discussion. Maybe a philosophical discussion...


When is it a build?

Bonus Q: At what point can you put that annoying "Built not bought" sticker on it?

And end with my personal favorite.
When is it so built that it no longer qualifies to be classed as the same car but just something that is only the same basic shape as what it started as?

Kiske 03-15-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2873071)
Bonus Q: At what point can you put that annoying "Built not bought" sticker on it?

When it's 2am, your knuckles are bloody and the damn this still isn't close to being running :)

SCQTT 03-15-2017 10:40 PM

I'm just poking fun, it is from a motorcycle site.

I am firmly from "when you have an extra $100 put it in the jar for the next vehicle camp" rather than "what farkle can I buy next?" group.

Most of my stuff is 100% stock, but I have been able to acquire a bunch of stuff.

When things are new it is cool to modify them to set them apart from the masses of other similar vehicles, but once they swing past 10 years old it might be cooler and rarer to see a bone stock vehicle. Of course most people do not keep vehicles that long.

I bought my truck new 11 years ago. and I have had one of my motorcycles for almost 25 years. Both are pretty much stock.

sdemo 03-15-2017 10:46 PM

It's never OK to put a "built not bought" sticker on your car, or say it to other people, or think it to yourself.

Ultramaroon 03-16-2017 12:16 AM

Built not bought? Ha! What a load of crap.

humfrz 03-16-2017 12:43 AM

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Built not bought? Ha! What a load of crap.

Now, THIS is a BUILD ...... :)


humfrz

Ultramaroon 03-16-2017 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2873151)
Now, THIS is a BUILD ...... :)

Yessir. That most certainly is. :cheers:

GhostRai 03-16-2017 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2873083)
And end with my personal favorite.
When is it so built that it no longer qualifies to be classed as the same car but just something that is only the same basic shape as what it started as?

When you put a Ferrari V8 into what was once a bare FR-S shell?

Gunman 03-16-2017 12:54 PM

Heck, I don't even consider my car to be 'custom', because I have yet to take a sawz-all and welder to it.

"Built" involves raw materials, and hand fabrication in my book.

fang_gt86 03-16-2017 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by guybo (Post 2873071)
So let's start a discussion. Maybe a philosophical discussion...


When is it a build?

Bonus Q: At what point can you put that annoying "Built not bought" sticker on it?

A build is when you:

1.) Spend more on parts than your student loan or rent
2.) Spend more time with your car than your gf/bf/wife/husband
3.) Started to think anything OEM isn't good enough even though you hardly track or AutoX

nextcar 03-16-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat (Post 2873083)
And end with my personal favorite.
When is it so built that it no longer qualifies to be classed as the same car but just something that is only the same basic shape as what it started as?

Closely related to the car restoration debate: "How much can you replace and still have the car be a classic and not be a rebody?"

There are more than a few rust buckets VINs that are essentially new cars.

Tcoat 03-16-2017 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nextcar (Post 2873390)
Closely related to the car restoration debate: "How much can you replace and still have the car be a classic and not be a rebody?"

There are more than a few rust buckets VINs that are essentially new cars.

Don't get me started on "Tribute" cars.

Leonardo 03-16-2017 01:34 PM

IMO, this is one of the coolest builds on this forum. (and it looks like he is still building)

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75794

Nevermore 03-16-2017 04:51 PM

Hmmm... I've only gotten into car stuff after getting the FR-S and even then I'm still completely new to everything. As someone standing on the outskirts of the scene, perhaps I can give an unfiltered opinion? I think I can answer these questions with percentages, maybe.

Build: This seems to be a subjective word, but I think it can have a meaning. My car might, at most, end up with wheels, exhaust and tune. I don't consider this a build because I am only modifying it, not building it for anything other than enjoyment. The simplest definition of this term then becomes "when the car is for more than simply driving, i.e. tracking, showing, being used for sponsorship" with tracking being the loosest term because you can track anything as long it passes inspection.

So let's do it by percentage. Perhaps a car becomes a build when 25% or more of the parts on the car did not come on it stock? And maybe not 25% of all parts, but of essential parts like anything in the suspension, drivetrain and engine bay. If you place a significant number of parts you probably have a build going. If you have a few bolt-ons? Probably not.

Built not bought: Sorry, I agree with most of what was said already. You bought the car, you bought the parts, and you probably paid someone to tune it for you. Turning the wrench doesn't mean you built it. Just because you put together your Ikea bookshelf doesn't mean you're a furniture craftsmen. I get the mentality, I really do. You turned the car into something better than it was from the factory, you've made it your own. But all those parts you bought were developed and tested by someone else that made sure they worked properly before you got them to make sure your build was smooth. You can call it your creation, but I don't think you can say you built it.

Original shaped thing that's obviously not the original: This is tricky because it fits two categories, rebuilt classics and hopped up racecars. I'll give percentages, but first basic definitions. The rebuilt classic is very subjective, because I think as long as it looks the way it did before then it's still the same car, even if it has been extensively improved. Others probably feel it should keep original body parts, frame, and engine. I think level of replacement is key too. Is it a re-manufactured frame or a race tub? Is it a rebuilt engine or a crate performance engine? I think all new performance parts push it away while all new production parts keep it closer to home.

The racecar is easier. If you take a car and replace the frame, engine, suspension, drivetrain and most of the body panels then it's definitely not the same car. That being said, replacing engine and transmission but leaving most things the way they are doesn't turn the car into something else, at least not completely.

Percentages: In general, if more than 50% of the major components have been replaced, then it's probably not the same car. This is subjective for rebuilds/restomods. If everything that was used was performance based and completely transforms the car, then it might not be the same. If everything that was used was new production correct era parts, then it could still be the same. On the flip side, a racecar with a new engine and transmission with some other upgrades could still be the same car, but if you've replaced the majority of the parts with serious upgrades, it's in name only.

Scrappydoo 03-16-2017 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2873151)
Now, THIS is a BUILD ...... :)


humfrz

Your kids?

Gunman 03-16-2017 08:43 PM

My toolbox has a sign that reads, "Anyone can restore one, it takes a real man to cut one up". Work that into your built vs. bought topic, LOL

humfrz 03-16-2017 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrappydoo (Post 2873566)
Your kids?

:lol:

My sister and I ...... ;)


humfrz

Calvin27 03-16-2017 09:07 PM

The word build itself would entail that the owner would have to have an end goal and aspiration for what the car can be. No one builds without a plan for example.

I wouldn't call my car a build, because I don't really have an end goal. I just chuck parts on that I think might make me go faster. You can tell a 'built' car, even if it is just cosmetic bolt ons because the attention to detail is there and the whole car delivers on the original vision.

sdemo 03-16-2017 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza (Post 2873719)
Suck my ()()::::::::::::::::: D you stupid gay dog!!!!!!!



Are you 5 years old?

D_Thissen 03-16-2017 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sdemo (Post 2873781)
Are you 5 years old?

I'm confused. Wtf is going on?

SCQTT 03-16-2017 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sdemo (Post 2873781)
Are you 5 years old?

No, my guess is the joke does not translate well and the response translates even worse.

Humor an be tough. I have a Suisse friend who's jokes are brutal, very politically incorrect and really not that funny. Actually the humor is so bad THAT makes it funny.

Scrappydoo 03-17-2017 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by humfrz (Post 2873685)
:lol:

My sister and I ...... ;)


humfrz

Related before marriage:happyanim:

Scrappydoo 03-17-2017 09:05 PM

How's that?

humfrz 03-17-2017 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scrappydoo (Post 2874440)
Related before marriage:happyanim:

Sisters were off limits ........ however, second cousins and further removed were fair game ....... except when I was in West Virginia ....... then first cousins were fair game ....... since I lived in Ohio ....... that was far enough removed .... :happyanim:

I reckon you didn't attend many of your family reunions ...... you missed a good chance to meet lots of girls ....... :wub:


humfrz


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