Im stoopid help me
 

So im a newbie at everything modifications. I just got a 2013 Scion FR-S and I want to get it tuned. My question is if I plan on getting a supercharger in the future will that mess it up? I could go on for ages with more stupid beginner questions, but I will start with that.

You should start by reading through the various sub forums, as every question you've asked has been answered multiple times.

"Tuned" how? If it's stock, the only worthwhile "tune" is the OFT, which is easily reverted to stock.

I dont like you

Yes it is stock and the OFT is the one i would get. My question isn't if I could revert it to stock because I know I can do that, but I'm wondering if I were to get a supercharger later on would that screw the tune up. Now that I think on it this was a stupid question. Im sure I could easily just retune it to work with the supercharger.

Good question.
Simple answer: no you will not mess anything up.

Better answer: you can get a tune now and enjoy 5 more hp for $400+. Then when you get a supercharger you tune it again with maybe another brand of tuner software. Or which ever comes/recommends by the supercharger kit. So, buy it once then buy it again.

What it comes down to it is what your wallet says. If it was me wait till you get a good supercharger kit.

My only tip for newbie is to not start "modifying" anything yet. Enjoy your car as is for now. Leave the engine alone for a while. Start with suspension, brakes and tires. Start with a few track days to get to know your car then at that point you can figure out if you want to drop lots of money into a slow car to go fast, or so you want to drive a slow car to go faster. (Aka become a better driver).

Join the club. But before that, search the site for commonly asked and answered questions.

I find it disappointing that this forum would rather treat someone as if they are an idiot rather than answering a question.

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Thank You. I do plan on getting tires and changing suspension first and I see your point. I haven't driven the car much yet and I already love it so I will attempt to hold back on dropping too much money immediately. Thanks for actually answering the question even though I guess its been asked all over the forums.

Oh, that's just @Cole ....... being @Cole ...... because, well, just because .... :D


humfrz

Hello BenSavage, congratulations on your purchase and welcome to ..... The Forum ....... :clap:

I see you have met one of our more colorful characters ....... :w00t:

Yep, as @Mr.ac says, I also suggest you just drive your car for a spell while it's stock.

Why? Because, for most new to sporty car drivers, this car, right off the boat, will outperform your driving capabilities. So, the best way to enhance it's performance is to fine tune your driving skills.

After you have "mastered" driving it, you may wish to first change to some tires that better suit how you are driving the car (i.e. autoX, track, through twisties).

For a non modified car, I'd leave the tune alone ...... there ain't nutten wrong with it for average driving.

Will a supercharger mess it up..?? The tune? - most likely would benefit from a different tune. The car?? Any time you FI a car that wasn't designed to be forced fed, it puts an additional strain on the engine and drivetrain.

You getten ma drift ...... ?? ......;)


humfrz

I guess it's all about perspective. I thought Cole provided a very succinct, helpful post regarding where the Noob could find the appropriate information.

:iono:

In fairness the thread title does set the OP up for such comments.

Much of what you need to learn can be found in the various links on this thread -
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96158

Thank you. I have looked through that thread and the ones connected to it and didn't find my question or an answer to my question. Maybe it is a stupid question with an answer that anyone with the simplest of mod knowledge would know, but I have none. And on the note of it being asked numerous times... you all have been here for quite sometime. Im sure you have seen it pop up over the months or years, but It seemed easier to me to ask it and hope for a quick and precise answer instead of search through threads that may or may not answer it for hours on end.

To be fair I am an idiot, but an idiotic question is just easier to answer... usually. Thanks!

Admission is the first step of recovery. :bonk:

Watch out for the Canadians on here, they have Country envy.

I was skimming, and I read that as "Watch out for the Canadians on here, they have country gravy."

My next thought was, "Poutine is NOT country gravy."

My next thought was, "MMMmmmm. Poutine."

Then I saw you actually wrote "envy" and fucking ruined the whole thing.

LOL I didn't mean for you to take a 10 minute look at the threads for a direct answer to your question. If you are asking that question at all then it means you have a pile of learning to do before you start messing with your car. I can point you to hundreds of threads here where people that didn't have a clue what they were doing but felt that they could mod anyway and ended up totally screwed up their cars. Read through those threads and learn what things do and you will soon see if you should or should not tune now and go FI later.
You are looking for a yes or no answer to a question that can not be answered with a yes or no. We would need to ask dozens of questions of you (that you probably cant answer) to give you any form of intelligent reply to this. Take the time and learn the basics and then ask questions that can be answered.

Mr AC gave you the best answer so far and that is the best route to go.

Rest assured that there is not one single aspect of your country that I even remotely envy.

Nah, I'm good with my free healthcare. What I really envy is the custom chunk of metal that turned your TRD exhaust into a "quad" exit.

Don't shake that "free healthcare" carrot in my face you Canadian you!

lol, yeh I know. any room up there?

Want the template for the chunk of metal?

Thanks. I guess youtube videos made using oft look easier than it actually is. I wasn't planning on buying it without knowing what I was getting into. Thats why I came on a forum to ask questions. I didn't expect the question "will I need to retune if I were to get a supercharger" (reworded for better understanding) to be such a deep multi answer question. Seems like a yes or no question to me. but then again what do I know. obviously not much.

It is a yes or no question, if you like keeping your engine parts inside the engine.

Too much Canada bashing. Yer' not stoopid, OP. You've got lots of reading to do, then come back with specific questions.

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I feel like the embarrassment of such a crappy question requires me to just delete my account. Ill try again next time!

Hi, Ben. Welcome. I just skimmed the thread. Drive it for a year. While you are driving it, learn to maintain it. Hang out here. Cole's a good guy. He's just being straight up with you.

It's a wonderful car all on its own. I have yet to see a boosted car that survives well unless meticulously maintained by its owner. You're not ready. Hell, maybe you'll get what you want out of the car by learning to drive it the way it wants to be driven, not by changing it. That can be a lot of fun.

Hang out with other local owners if you can.

Use google to search this site. NVM the forum tool. It sux. Just add "site:ft86club.com" to your search string.

If you search and find a thread that seems to come close to your question, don't be afraid to revive it.

Also, humility is a good thing. Why be embarrassed about receiving direct answers to a painfully noob question? Laugh it off. Move on.

You're alright man. I've only been here for a short while and have learned oh so very much just by searching for things that I'm interested in. While it is easier to just ask a question you often learn more by searching through and reading up on everything surrounding the subject. Not only do you learn more but it shows that you care enough about the subject to take a bit of initiative.

Read some build logs, see what you like, find out all you can on the subject. Then once you feel like you are starting to understand it, if you still don't have an answer to your original question and you can't seem to find anything else that might answer it, you are probably educated enough to form a better question. We all start somewhere and while there are unfriendly people in every community you don't have to let them get you down. Most of the time they are well meaning and just don't understand how to talk to new or ignorant people. Don't take it as a personal attack but as a frustrated person trying to help you the only way that they know how.

Keep on going. There is so much to learn here!

Dude, everyone is a noob at something at one point or another. Don't worry about it. I don't think a truly "new" question has been asked around here in a long time.

Learn how to drive your car well as-is. There are a lot of people in more powerful "better" cars who won't be able to scrape you off of their tail when you do. Don't be the guy who's only skill is mashing the gas pedal.

OP: After doing your research and you still want to tune and FI. Find a reputable speed shop near you and ask them questions. If you choose to work with them ... they would probably prefer that THEY have total control of your car (tune, etc. etc.).

Make sure they are reputable. Did I mention? Make sure they are a REPUTABLE shop with great credentials.

Yes.
Every time you change an engine or management component the tuning parameters will have to be changed to accommodate it.

You will not achieve anything by tuning once and subsequently swapping out parts.
That will only put the ECU out of range.

Quoted for emphasis. Not trying to be mean but please just READ as much as possible. This is a simple question as you admit and FI is not something to go into wothout some more knowledge.

We have a "real" space program with our own rockets?
:lol:

So do Russia and China and I don't envy them as countries either.

Red Bull or SpaceX?

If you're a newb, then why mod?

You just have to ask yourself the simple question that only you can answer: why do I want to modify my own car? What don't I like about it?

Answer those questions first and then the answers you want will show up faster.

-alex