Friendly Competition Question
 

So I recently bought an automatic w/ paddle shifter 2016 BRZ limited and I am in LOVE with the car. My friend and I were talking about whose car is faster in multiple scenarios and having a bit of friendly wagers. So, my friend drives a stock '04 350z 6MT and the thing is pretty quick I'm not going to lie, but I'm pretty sure he can take me in a straight line. That being said, he bet me lunch on whoever wins in the drag race. In my defense, I bet dinner I take him on the track/back roads (I already have experience tracking the BRZ). We both agreed and are waiting for a weekend that we are both free, so my question to the forum is;

1. Will I have to buy him lunch after the drag race?

2. Will he have to buy me dinner after I take him on the track/back roads?

pretty sure the answers are obvious but I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks

Look here for similar questions. Im sure a Z thread already exists.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

Also, no street racing and I imagine this qualifies as such

Just be safe.

2017 WRB BRZ

Well as a pure bench racing exercise without considering driver ability or condition of his 13 year old car it looks like you will be buying lunch at least once.
DO NOT drag race on the street!

1. Probably.
2. Depends on who has better tires and bigger balls.

I'm sure you'll be racing on both an actual drag strip and track, so we can have this discussion.

At the strip, you'll lose pretty handily - he'd have to miss a shift or two for you to win. The VQ is a stout engine, despite the Z's heft.

On the track, it depends a lot more on the driver and the type of track you're running. If it's like VIR Full and has two very long straights, he'd probably beat you even if you were a significantly better driver. If it's a short technical course, you'll stand a much better change and can probably win if you're the superior driver.

Our cars are great at punching above their weight class in sections that are technical, but when you come to a straightaway or any other horsepower-loving section, other cars are much quicker.

^^^Exactly

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In a straight line, the 350z would win even if he missed a shift or two. [For reference I used to own a 350z (vq35hr, 6mt) and test-drove an automatic FR-S at Scion's first drive event. It's a big difference between the two.]

On a track, tires and driver will be the deciding factor. If those are equal, the 350z will win again unless it's a very tight technical track.

Very true statements if we consider the Z as a tip top condition perfectly running car. The fact that it is 13 years old and has probably had a hard life (I can make assumptions as well) may play into this particular bench racing scenario. It would only take a bit of carbon, some burnt valves, a worn clutch, or a multitude of other possibilities to even the playing field with a much newer BRZ. It would probably still beat it in the straight line but it could be a lot closer that we would guess and even a minor error could close the gap and give a surprise win.

Lovely first post. Wow. Just wow.

Second post:


"Is this totaled?"

What could possibly go wrong? Just steer clear of palm trees as they can really spoil your day..

If you want a drag car you should've bought a Mustang 5.0.

I have a '13 BRZ 6MT and a '04 350Z 6MT. Even with a JRSC on the BRZ, the 350Z wins a drag but I think the BRZ will probably beat it on a track (especially if the track is more about the curves than straights.). The 350Z has so much more torque especially on the lower RPMs. The BRZ handles better but the 350Z can make up for some of the handling because of being able to use the torque to compensate for the handling deficiencies as compared to the BRZ. Same tires on both (PSS).

theres no way, i have the JRSC in my 15 brz and it hauls ass. Ive walked RT challengers and 5.0's, i mean i do have other mods but I have a hard time believing the 350 can pull the brz when the brz is F/I

1) i think u will buy him dinner lol

2) depends what track,,if high speed track with wide corner,,i think u will buy him dinner too ....

You will be buying 2 dinners.

most probably you will lose some bucks.

For the JRSC, it doesn't really kick in until you get to 4k rpm. The 350z has very noticeable torque below 2K rpm and picks up very well in that rpm range, noticeably better than the BRZ. So I can't really say where the BRZ will catch the 350Z since the 350Z pulls quicker from a start and the BRZ has to catch up. If you are seeing which car gets to 45 or 50mph quicker, I have to say my 350Z. After that I can see the BRZ taking over. From the dyno, the JRSC gave me 50% increase in HP, 40% in torque. I don't know your set-up and what your gains are.

So, OP, where are you taking him for lunch and dinner? You know- dinner AND lunch, people will talk.... LOL

You're short 2 cylinders! If his tires are trashed and you have nice new Michelin Pilot Sports, maybe you have a chance on the [closed....] back road. What do you know the town manager and he closed the road for you? I assume?

The more important question is- if you are doing all this on open public roads- who's buying the caskets?

Youre gonna be buying him lunch you might as well buy him lunch right now and save you some gas.

ATs are a FULL second slower in 0-60 time compared to an MT,

He'd probably win at the track too, I don't have much faith in our stock tires, and his car is old so I'm pretty sure he's still not using the same tires for over 10 years.

If you wanna take him you're gonna need some boost,

Heres a stock VQ35 dyno from Google Images

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...zdyno1copy.jpg

http://my350z.com/forum/southern-cal...35de-dyno.html

Where did you get ur brz tuned and are you testing it in humid hotter weather? My brz is right at 286hp with the JRSC(91) + UEL headers and a cat back. I noticed it becomes sluggish in warmer weather (obviously with F/I) but when my car is running at the right temp I feel instant torque all the way through til max 7psi. Not to mention stock internals, been dailying it for a year now and no issues other than a minor boost leak that i fixed in a parking lot.

A full second slower? That's a huge difference

Are we not talking about drag racing here?