Jumped over a curb
 

It seems like I specialize in being an idiot:

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I was making a left turn and had traction control off and bam, I'm over a curb. Why was traction control off? Well I had a bet with a guy who has a genesis to drive without tc for a week.

I took the tire off and my toe arm is bent to shit https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...ac6f8a21e7.jpg
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I know you can't really tell much from these photos but if you spot anything, please let me know. This forum has been my life saver ever since I got this car so even if you don't find anything, thanks spending your time to read my post


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:slap: ....... that's for turning your car's nannies off when driving on the street.

:slap: ....... that's for taking on a bet, when it comes to driving your car on a street.

Now, I suggest you put the wheel back on and carefully drive your car to an automotive shop and have them fix it.

Pray that the lower control arm is the only thing that is messed up.

You get the "drift" ......:D


humfrz

Lool I know it was stupid and I paid the price.

I'm doing the work myself which is why I asked. There is no vibrations. Just twitchy. The toe arm is a foreshore thing


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I'm guessing you hit a patch of black ice, on this lovely 14*C day?

Reminds me of the time I went up on the curb with my Scion XB. Steering wheel turned left, but the wheel would go right lol. Live and learn. Just take it to a shop. They can better diagnose and remedy the issue. Be safe out there.

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Welp, allowe, unless you have an alignment rack in your garage, you're going to have to take it into a shop for alignment anyway. About the only way to tell if anything else in the suspension is messed up, is to try to align the front end.

If it won't come into specs, something else is messed up.

See ........ when you play ........oh, that reminds me of the time I was showing off on a snow covered road with mrs humfrz's car and hit a curb....... new lower control arm, wheel bearings (front and rear), front strut, new rim and an alignment ....... and it was good as new ...... :bonk:


humfrz

Thanks for your positive post! :) im Guna do the arm myself because it's 2 bolts and see what happens.

This car has been a headache but my god I love it! It's like having a baby. Their annoying as hell but if anyone was to touch it, I'd go mental on em :p


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Yea I'm Guna have to align it at a shop there is no way I'm attempting that haha! I got a shop close home that would charge 60 for it.

Man I did so much overtime saving up for an oft. Even planned on buying a new one to be safe and getting my hands on a header. Fml.


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That part can be removed, straightened and put back on the car.

A bit of work but doable.


A car is usually either totaled, or it will buff out...this incident somewhere in between.

I already ordered one it was 120 only. Got new bolts and washers just to be safe. Total about 150 cad. Only problem is I gotta wait till Tuesday. Back to serving the jeep :(


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What does having traction control off ultimately have to do with hitting a curb? If traction control was on, the front end could have just plowed into the curb... and that would be more expensive. I had a situation where was turning in under an overpass and aparrently hit a swath of loose dirt like material that was spread all over the road - right in the middle of turn in. Was in the outside lane which has a curb running along it, and immediately when felt the front end start washing out I got on the accelerator and initiated a serious rear correction, and JUST cleared the curb while staying in the lane. If the traction/stability control systems were on, the front end would have most definitely washed out completely and would have ended up smacking into the curb - there was no distance to allow the power to be cut and front to understeer back into grip and clear the curb. And if I have a choice, its going to be the rear I'd want to make contact with curb, not the front.

The traction control on the FR-S is not that great, the Nissan Frontier I recently picked up has a better and MUCH more useful TC and stability system. In the FR-S, I drive without the traction and stability system on 100% of the time - the car is much more predictable and responsive with it disengaged.

sorry to hear bro about another bad left turn....in total of 80 K miles of driving my '13 and '16 86s I have used TC less than 5 times, all of which were during bad weather on road trips. granted i live in az and i by no means am boasting about my so-so driving skills but i fail to see how having the nannies off in our twins can really land people in serious trouble unless they don't understand rwd dynamics and/or they must be doing some really silly stuff..

You don't happen do own a mustang as well do you?

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I was being an idiot . I put too much throttle in. Anyways lesson learned haha. I'm just seriously hoping it's just the toe arm and an alignment


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That was the biggest mustang move! 😂


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It most likely is just that.

Now that you know what can happen when there's no magical tech between you and your right foot, you have started your journey toward being an actually skilled driver. Leave them off. Find a place to wipe out safely and go practice recovery. :cheers:

I spun mine within 5 days. In a safe place. Gotta find the limits.

Well, I'll play the role of the devil's advocate here.

Check out the suspension on that side and compare it to the other side. Even take pictures and measurements to see if anything else is bent. Maybe even just say screw it and take this opportunity to upgrade your suspension- get adjustable camber arms, upgraded toe arms etc. The more you replace, the less potential to miss something that got bent.

Then try and do your own alignment. If you know anything about geometry and you have a level, string, carpenter's square and time you can dial in a rough alignment yourself. Look online for a tutorial on it.

With my last car I installed front cambolts and using those tools, I calculated what my camber was and it was very accurate to what the alignment shop found. Toe is a little more of a PITA but that comes down to meticulous measurements and using string.

Thanks for the positive feedback!

I honestly love driving it without the nannies. I was doing great for a while. Even when I lost the back, I always knew how to bring it back at low speeds but I was coming of off work, I'm excited as all hell because I had no sleep and I work a nightshift. Had so much adrenaline.

There is a huge parking lot near my house I'll probably go practice there.


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Drive in a big circle up to the limit and then lift. Lift-oversteer is probably the biggest eye opener when it comes to vehicle dynamics.

Because by turning traction control off this fool was wishing to hit a curb. Probably watched Tokyo drift and the fan boy in him got a boner and he went for a drive

Let's be real, turning traction control off doesn't cause the car to spin wildly, driving like a jackass does. We've all done it, except sometimes, the traction control says "I got you" and saves us from ourselves.

This guy is being honest about driving like a jackass and is just asking for some help in fixing it. Let's not beat him up too much more over it. 😉
@allowe: Hope you get it all fixed. It seems like you've learned something, and considering no-one was hurt, I'm glad you did. It could've ended up worse.


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Hey thanks for you reply!

Yea I'm 100% aware I fucked up. It could've been avoided in so many ways but I'm so glad that many other things didn't happen like for example, hurt someone else, total my car, another car, etc. Now I just gotta figure out how to fix it. From what I can tell it's just a toe arm and an alignment. I'll find out more once I put the arm in and get it aligned


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Your example is not the same as what the OP reported.

The OP was making a left, got on the gas too much, and swapped ends. In this instance, TC would have done exactly what it's meant to do by stopping the spin.

In your instance, the front end washed out due to loss of grip. That you managed to oversteer your way out of it in those tight confines was luck as much as anything else. If the rear end got into the same patch of loose material it would have simply been accelerated into the curb more quickly.

Ultimately, either end of this car is bad to hit like that. I do agree though that it's very controllable with the nannies turned off if you pay attention, however all it takes is a moment's inattention and the laws of physics take over.

Exactly, I've had an expensive mistake too, and learned a "cheap" lesson because it could've been worse. Hope you get it all fixed. Wish I could help but suspension and steering aren't my strong points. Good luck.

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listen for the bearing....

What exactly happened with OP wasn't known at the time I posted, so I assumed road conditions helped contribute to the curbing.

In my example, material was all over the road going into and just under the overpass... meaning front then rear was in loose material through the entire turn sequence...had to balance front and rear through a near 90 degree arc skating on loose material at 20'ish mph while not swinging the rear out too much because there was no room to do so. I used what I have learned from autocross and track experience over the years to try and guide the car through the turn, but do agree some 'luck' was involved that kept me from curbing. You are correct, if I wasn't paying attention and noticed something wasn't right on the road just before hitting the material, it would have resulted in a pretty bad curbing.

I do know that if the traction control was on in that situation I wouldn 't have had a chance...I would have just had to ride it out into the curbing.

A close inspection and comparison to the opposite side (assuming it's fine) might show you any minor tweaking that may have occurred, especially on that thing that looks bent in the second image. Sway bar link? That might foul up the feel a bit as it's bent and might be putting a pull/lean to your driving a straight line if bent far enough to place a load on the suspension.

Hope this helps. Best of luck fixing it, hope it's a cheap ouch. My wife curbing mine wasn't, she cost me a front clip and paint, a control arm and alignment. On the bright side, it fully recovered and drives just like it did pre-wife curb whack. ;)